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Well on a positive note, Im ovulating today. Got a + OPK this morning. I think we've covered our bases. But Im a giant emotional wreck. So Grand List Keeper, please add me to the TWW section of the list tomorrow?
I read through but suck at personals so will just say I hope everyone is having a good day; and that its a nice sunny (as warm as winter can get) day wherever you are.
myturn, lol, I was just telling my SIL (who just told me she got an IVF BFP on her second attempt and hadn't even told me she was doing IVF! :o) that I had to do the pessaries 3x per day for our last IVF (DD). I always treated them as enforced relaxation time since I had to lie down for 30 mins for each one. For the list, I'm CD2 today. My lap will be on CD4, so whether or not we TTC this cycle will depend on when I stop bleeding. Last time I bled for 2 weeks (followed by AF, so 3 weeks total), but I'm hoping being at the start of the cycle will mean it's shorter this time and that we can still BD before I O. It's a race... :rolleyes:
Vic, we did ICSI last time, just for the sake of trying everything, so DD is an ICSI baby. Some people don't like the idea of the scientist choosing the sperm, but if that doesn't bother you, then it's worth asking your Dr about it.
Miss.B, I have found the acu helps me (I've had 2 natural BFPs since starting, even if they were both m/c), but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. I'd say trust your instincts. If you don't think what you're doing is helping, then change it, whether that be trying someone different or stopping.
N2L, I hope you're recovering nicely and that the results bring you the answers you are seeking. :crossfingers:
Freya, GL catching the egg!
Sorry, I've had trouble keeping up with the conversation the last few days as it has been a difficult time with the EDD of our mm/c yesterday (and CD1, since AF has an evil sense of humour) and a few random curve balls thrown in for good measure. Apologies to anyone I've missed.
For those of you taking higher doses of CoQ10, do you take the tablets all at the same time or spread them out through the day? I'm going to have to chase down some of these cheaper options as mine cost almost $50 for 30 tablets. I did spot some online that were $33.50 for 90 (150mg) tablets, but I've never heard of the brand (Herb Valley). They had others that are similar in price to what you've discussed above, so once you add on postage it's not an improvement (although the Sydney folk among us can pick them up). Has anyone used that brand before? Is it any good? The ones I take now have lipoic acid in it (which is supposed to make them more effective), so do you think I could take 1 per day of my current ones and a different brand for the balance of the dosage?
Vic I know what you mean about living life in limbo, DH and I have only been using AC since Dec last year but were trying for many years naturally before that and I came to the realisation this week that I am sick of putting out lives on hold. I feel like I am living month to month just waiting for another cycle and not really committing to anything "just in case" and although I'm a long way away from giving up I did talk to DH on the weekend and explained how i want to live my life again and not make decision based on a baby we might have. So we went and got bikes on the weekend (partly for fun and partly to help keep me fit) and I had so much fun going for a ride and just enjoying life and the great weather. Not sure if they ICSI would help you but anything that can give you any extra chance of another BFP I think is worth it so why not go all out.
Yay for O Freya, Enjoy the TWW.
AFM had our follow up appointment with the FS today and it went much like I expected, he went through my 2 failed cycles but told me everything is perfect, eggs are great quality and defrosted wonderfully for our FET, lining and hormones were perfect so no real reason for it not to work, and its really just a matter of time or so he thinks. He said we have already done immune testing and checked my uterus for any issues and all came back fine so for now we are just moving onto another FET, the only changes we are making is he will be giving me Progesterone after transfer this cycle and also going to do an ultrasound guided transfer to ensure we get the Embie in the perfect spot, so now i just need to hurry up and ovulate so we can move onto the next cycle....but in the mean time I am going to enjoy life and try to have fun again.
Enjoy your tww wait freya.
Mrs Mac, good on you for not putting life on hold, it certainly consumes us that's for sure and i think the only way to keep our sanity is to live life as well. I hope the ultrasound guided transfer helps for a little embie to implant. My clinic does that normally, unless there is 2 different ways it's done, I still feel very new with some of this as we have only done one complete cycle.
my clinic doesn't use the ultrasound either... always wondered what makes it different.... I think there's a more recent move that ultrasound doesn't make a difference... but.... I'm starting to think I'd be prepared to try anything too...
the grand list keeper will try to remember tomorrow Freya ;)
Mrs Mac, glad your appointment went well. I thought all the IVF clinics do the u/s guided transfers, how do they know where they are putting the embie in? Unless they put it in there and let it decide where it wants to stick :dunno:?? Well it can't hurt hun! Enjoy your life for now and have a bit of fun darl xoxox
Awww juniper, I'm so sorry hun :hug: I saw your post yesterday and got distracted with my reply. I hope the day was as gentle to you as possible (apart from that stupid AF!!).
Vic, it's hard putting an end date to TTC isn't it? I would have loved to have stopped by now, but my lovely OH cost me 12 months of 'nothing' so here I am at 42 still doing IVF and what should have been an end to it all by 42, it looks like it will be 43. Geez, not in my wildest dreams I thought I would be still TTC!! I am so grateful that I have my DS here earthside, and I realise so many ladies don't have a child here on earth at all, it's just so hard to stop right now withought giving it my all to give him a sibling. But I think the way you're looking at it is really healthy. If it means no baby for you guys, then you still have you DH and can have a very fulfilling life. I really do hope though, that you will have a pink or blue bundle very soon xoxox
Freya, so good to hear from you hun!!! GL in this cycle hun!
Hello to all my other beautiful buddies in here too! (I am calling myself a buddy even though I'm not cycling right now, hehehe). I hope that you all have success in here very soon :crossfingers:
I am sooooo confused about these supplements/minerals etc when TTC.....I went to the chemist wanting to buy some CoQ10 stuff and the lady there said that it won't help my eggs :( My FS also said there isn't anything out there to help with ageing eggs :( :( I really don't think acu sessions helped me with quality (that was the goal) so now I am so confused as to what I should do. See a naturopath? Get those disgusting chinese herbs to drink? Do more acu even though it could be doing nothing while spending a fortune? Do nothing??????? Waaaaaaah! I have approximately 6-7 weeks to do 'something' if I chose to, I just don't know what to do! :wall:
There are lots of things on the web about coq10 and egg quality.
I will find some studies. In the meantime.... http://www.ctvnews.ca/supplement-tou...ility-1.744549
I've done 5 transfers (2008-2010) and none of them were u/s-guided. It seems to be the norm in America though. I don't know if anything has changed at our clinic since our last cycle.
My transfers have always been ultra sound guided. I get a print out of the white flash. I also take my camera in and get photos of the embies before they are put back in.
I have started taking 300mg of CoQ10 and not sure it would be in my system yet, or I am just feeling better but I seem to have more energy. I just put it down to getting over being pg and then the d&c, but I will definately keep taking them.
I keep swaying between using my frosties or going for a stim. If I go for my frosties it will be easier on my body, cheaper and give me more time to lose weight. If I go for a stim I will probably have a better chance as frosties dont seem to work for me. I keep thinking, wouldn't it be nice if the frosties worked...
I guess every clinic has a different procedure, mine does not usually use the US so I guess they just put where ever, the entire transfer usually only take 10min and then I'm out of there, where as some people have to lie down after and use US for the transfer. I think the FS just has no idea why we are not pregnant so is trying something else to appease me. It will be nice to see the little speck go in.
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Mrs Mac - it is one of the most amazing moments to watch the flashing speck go back in. It kinda glows on the US. Very cool. Hope it works for you. xx
first clinic i was with did u/s guided transfers and had a photo frame screen thingy, so you could see a pic of your embryo before transfer. they dimmed the lights and played soft music too...! they would also email you a pic of each embryo too. i found it reassuring to see the white bubble on the screen, helped me to visualise that something actually could happen in there.
my current clinic doesnt do u/s guided transfers as routine, but i have requested them as it's what i prefer. FS must have put it on my file bc i dont have to specify each time now, it just happens. ;)
vic - i get substantially better fertalisation rates with icsi, even though there is no sperm/egg problem with us. i reckon for an extra $25 - might as well give it a shot? hope your phone consult goes well tomoz (hope i've remembered the right day). xx
myturn - best wishes for tomorrow. xx
miss b - i liked acu for the relaxation part, but didn't work for me. i wished it had bc i have heard great things about acu & fertility. im sticking to my herbs which seem to regulate my cycle (when i remember to take them....).
hi everyone else, hope you're all having a good week. :)
afm - scan next thursday to see when ill ovulate this month, hoping for a 'normal-ish' cycle this month.
So I went to bed and realised in all my excitement the grand list keeper forgot her duties tonight ;) if for some reason I drop off the face of the earth tomorrow can someone please do the list ;) it appears my brain isn't quite turned on today in which case I suspect tomorrow ewill be just as bad either way. Sorry on my phone so nothing fancy in the list today.
Love you all!!!
Wednesday 1st August 2012
Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Juniper - CD3 (just tracking O for now) (lap on 2/8/12)
Andie – CD7
Vic261 - CD10
Me4ever – CD14
Mrs Mac - CD14
Kerbear - CD22
Waiting for Transfer
Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/threads/182783-LTTTC-Two-Week-Wait-2012-5 )
Freya - CD16
Emma - CD26 5dp 1 x ? day embryo BT: ???
Larry - CD26 6dp 1 x 5 day embryo BT: 07/08/12
N2L – CD31 9dpo
myturn – CD32 13dp 1 x 2 day embryo BT: 02/08/12 OMG tomorrow!!!!!
Got Their BFP in August
PlanetSasha 27/7/12 (yeah I know it was July - but it needs appreciating for a bit longer!!!)
Oh myturn, you make me laugh :lol: I really think you're UTD, the tiredness, the sore nippies, the forgetfulness, I say they're pretty good signs! hehehe. Only more more sleep hun, FX!!!! xoxoxo
Andie, thanks hun. And thank you for replying in my other thread about naturopaths and TCM people. I know the acu sessions have relaxed me but I'm not convinced it's helped me with my failed cycle. I suspect the lady has helped me in 'balancing' things and maybe even with making both ovaries produce eggs (unlike the January cycle when only my right ovary reacted to the drugs). I am so torn as to what to do. I feel that maybe I should try one thing with this new slow FSH release drug cycle, and if it doesn't work I could try something different maybe? I'm not too keen on the drinking chinese herbs, maybe I should just try a naturopath this time and if that doesn't work go to the stinky chinese herbs :dunno: GL next Thursday hunni xx
Miss.B, I got my first ever BF with acu + chinese herbs (without other medical assistance) after 3 failed IVF cycles, so I'm a believer that they can help (for me, anyway). If you think you're getting some benefit and can afford it, I'd say keep going. If you're not convinced the reward:investment ratio is good enough, then give it the flick. I never minded the smell of the drink so much (I could convince myself it smelled mushroomy), but the taste... bleh! I used to let it go cold and gulp it all down quickly, followed by a strong mint.
Thursday 2nd August 2012
Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Juniper - CD4 (just tracking O for now) (lap on 2/8/12)
Andie – CD8
Vic261 - CD11
Me4ever – CD15
Mrs Mac - CD15
Kerbear - CD23
Waiting for Transfer
Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/threads/182783-LTTTC-Two-Week-Wait-2012-5 )
Freya - CD17
Emma - CD27 6dp 1 x ? day embryo BT: ???
Larry - CD27 7dp 1 x 5 day embryo BT: 07/08/12
N2L – CD32 10dpo
Got Their BFP in August
PlanetSasha 27/7/12 (yeah I know it was July - but it needs appreciating for a bit longer!!!)
myturn – CD33 2/8/12 HCG = 46...... BT: 6/8/12
OMG Myturn that Is the most incredible news, congratulation my sweet. I hope you have a very smooth and uneventful 9 months. XOXO.
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thankyou lovely mrs mac.... ;) I am still anxious it may not stick... but I am going to continue with my positive thinking and worry about that on monday afternoon....
I am feeling some survivors guilt.... I hope the rest of you join me soon xxx
Myturn I am still smiling about your news xxx keep positive no reason why it wouldnt be stuck like glue babe!
I agree with joeve, you enjoy every beautiful moment and and worry about the 'what if' later.
I too hope we are all joining you lovely ladies soon.
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Vic, I forgot to tell you that we did ICSI with all our IVF cycles as per my FS's recommendation to get things happening 'quickly'.. Back when I did my first cycle, I was 38 and even then he didn't want us to waste time with the normal 'let the sperm chose it's own egg' thing. Maybe it was also b/c DF had his snip quite a while ago and apparently if it's been ages since the snip the sperm start to produce it's own anibodies? :dunno: Anyhoo, it worked for us. Also, my FS said to me that he has seen more success with FETs than fresh transfers for some reason. I would still do the fresh cycle though, to get max. amount of eggs /embies.
Mrs Mac, I wan to join the belly buddies too :( Hopefully we won't be too far behind :pray:
Juniper, I just don't know what to do! In my heart something is telling me acu is not helping me with egg quality, only with my stress levels and balancing everything in there. I went to see the acu lady in hope of her improving my egg quality, but sadly I don't think it's worked :( Maybe I will just find someone that does both acu and herbs, I have one lovely friend from belly who recommended a lady close by....maybe I will give her a whirl?
Hi to everyone else!!
Oh and Vic, how come the list didn't bring me luck? Waaaaaaaahhhh!!!!! lol.
Oooh oooh n2l, I just had time to read that article you've attached for me about CoQ10, thanks again :). Very interesting!! So, in the article they said the study had the women taking 1200 mc grams or whatever, what do you take? And I already take super spirulina which is also a very rich antioxidant and so forth (hence my good energy levels ;)) so wouldn't I be doubling on that? Maybe I should stop taking the spirulina if I was to take the CoQ10??
Myturn!!! I just saw the great news! Yay you're pregnant! I knew it was your turn this time :) Wishing you a happy & healthy 9 months!
I am not sure about the spirulina MissB? I take 600mg of coQ10 (as advised by FS).
Seems to me that they are somewhat similar n2l, I will ask my FS about it. Thanks hun :)
Thankyou me4ever.... Still holding my breath..... But feeling positive that it's a sticky at the moment xxx
Is anyone online? I have a private question to ask via PM
just checking in emma, if you still needed someone. xx
I think I figured it out- thanks :D
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Ok, so I just spoke to someone at a TCM clinic and they highly recommended CoQ10. Off to get some me thinks, oh and she said to take a dose of 600...:)
I'm not saying anything..... ;) :p:
I have you to thank for n2l, you the woman!!!!! Thanks hunni, so excited to be taking something that might just help my lil old eggies ;)
I had my phone appointment with my FS. He is happy for me to go ahead and use our last two frosties, but when I mentioned going straight into another stim, he said was I really wanting to consider going ahead with another cycle since I have had so many failed one. Is 5 too many, considering the last one stuck for a bit? I am so confused.
I have looked into donor eggs and my sister (32)will gladly donate, but its soooo expensive and soooo long to get it done. 6 months minimum. I will be 43 if it works and be 50 with a 7 year old :(
I am exhausted by TTC. Exhausted by life at the moment :(
My DH says we should just keep going until Jan 1st, so if the FS lets us, thats what we will probably do.
Hi to everyone, sorry about the all about me post :(
vic - :hug: i really hope 5 is not too many considering i am looking down the barrel of my 10th transfer....eeeek :o
seriously though, i honestly dont think 5 is too many considering the odds are around 20-25% per go. i remember you saying in previous posts you get good quality embryos too, so you would think that the FS would be more hopeful? i agree with your dh (sounds like a sensible dh!), just keep going until you are ready to stop. ttc is exhausting, especially given what you have been through recently. it will get better though. maybe not this week, or next, but eventually. promise. xx
Im shocked Vic that your FS is ready to give up already, I had read somewhere that on average IVF takes 5 cycles and the fact that you got one to stick should be promising. If I were you I would go again for sure :hug:
I totally second Andie, Vic. Don't give up until you're ready to, otherwise you will regret it.
Is there another FS you can get a second opinion from??
In the meantime, maybe look at some lifestyle factors that might help. Things like supplements, acupuncture, diet, etc, etc. I think I only have one stim left in me, and I am throwing absolutely everything at it.
:hugs: It is such a hard road :(
AFM - Got my NK cell biopsy results. They are 16%... The highest they are meant to be is 6%. The FS said we will adjust the protocol accordingly (meaning colorado protocol).
Friday 3rd August 2012
Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Juniper - CD5 (just tracking O for now) (lap on 2/8/12)
Andie – CD9
Vic261 - CD12
Me4ever – CD16
Mrs Mac - CD16
Kerbear - CD24
Waiting for Transfer
Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/threads/182783-LTTTC-Two-Week-Wait-2012-5 )
Freya - CD18
Emma - CD28 7dp 1 x ? day embryo BT: 07/08/12 (POAS results are in! It's a BFP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Larry - CD28 8dp 1 x 5 day embryo BT: 07/08/12
N2L – CD32 11dpo
Got Their BFP in August
PlanetSasha 27/7/12 (yeah I know it was July - but it needs appreciating for a bit longer!!!)
myturn – CD34 2/8/12 HCG = 46...... BT: 6/8/12
Think I may have counted myself out a little bit to early ;)
3 x :bfp: tell me that I had an implantation bleed (I think)
A massive congratulations Emma!!!!! :leap: Wishing you a happy and healthy pregnancy!
Thanks :loveshower:
It's shown up lovely and dark on 3 different brands including digital :)
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