Anyone seen this appalling story today?
Woman miscarries in hospital toilet
OP.
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Anyone seen this appalling story today?
Woman miscarries in hospital toilet
OP.
WLAB - yeah I'm here - watching and waiting for my doc and saving up my monies (if you can't find a bright side, polish the dull one!) :)
Well AF is here....the dream is over.... I am a little disappointed, but truely I have a less that 5% chacne of falling preg naturally so I kind of knew it wasnt to be. Im just ticked off AF is 6 days late and therefore my treatment pushed back 6 days!! Can you tell Im not a patient person..... :D
So let if be known world - syrnael DOES delay AF!!!!!!!
OP I read this story yesterday, and yes it is horrifying!! Can you believe in such a rich country our hospitals can be so backward? I really feel for the woman and her family. On another note OP I think you should not pay close attention to stories such as this, as I dont want it to cause you unnecessary worry or stress for yourself IFKWIM....
Thanks for that Diamond, I do appreciate you looking out for me.
I was mortified more from the point of view of lack of understanding or appreciation we as a society seem to have for women who suffer miscarriages, especially when they occur in the second trimester. For over three months that woman has bonded with her unborn baby and has newly framed her identity as a mother to be. For a medical professional to tell her thousands of women have miscarried before her is totally disrespectful of her own personal situation and definitely rude regarding her feelings or the emotional trauma of how the MC went down.
While I feel every bit confident that my pregnancy will proceed and succeed, I have to say I would be floored if anything went wrong - at any stage. There are plenty of girls on here who have been through it, and I don't know that I give them enough respect for the journey they've been through as they continue to pursue parenthood. I'd like to think being in this impossibly exclusive club is making me a little bit more understanding, sympathetic and compassionate.
On a happy note - one of the girls in my office was telling me this morning she had her daughter at 43!!! She's now 51, her daughter is eight. I find this so inspiring! WLAB - you should too! There's hope for us old girls!
:-)
OP.
Diamond : Sorry about af arriving ..
OP !!!!! Im in shock - ARE YOU CALLIN ME AN OLD GIRL :rofl: If anyone has talked me out of an "age" related problem .. it is you ....
My miscarriage : A long and quite honest post
At 11.5 weeks, I started bleeding at work on a Friday, I went to a city hospital, to be told the early pregnancy clinic was closed until Monday, and I would need to go home and wait, my BT showed a high HCG level, there was nothing they could do. I was beside myself, and drove home with no instructions on how to prevent our long awaited bubba leaving us
I woke (if you could call it that, because I didnt sleep).. on Saturday with pain and heavy clotting, Dh and I drove to another hospital, who asked me to wait in the waiting room, and finally we where seen by a doctor, who did an internal that was so painful, my dp could hear my cry in the corridor. Your cervix is open, it doesnt look good, I was told I needed to go home and come back later that afternoon for an ultrasound. We did, hoping that a miracle would appear and I will still see my bubba's heartbeat. It wasnt to be.
I was sent home to wait for a phone call, to be admitted for a D&C as the list was full, I was doubled over in pain, that I could only descibe as labour pains, I should have rang an ambulance, looking back... I sent my dp to his mums for some panadeine forte, and self medicated myself, until I heard back from the hospital.
Monday we received a call, to come in Tuesday, still in terrrible pain, we arrived at the hospital at 7am, to be asked the usual pre-op questions - including "are you pregnant " !!!! Waited with no pain relief until 8.30 pm that night. They finally came out and told us that - a man had swollowed his keys, and he pushed me off the list ... WTF !!!! Let him choke, I thought ....
Home again, in excrushiating pain, knowing what my body was doing...
To finally receive a call on Thursday to be admitted for a D & C - It was one of the worst weeks of my life, and I would never, ever, ever again, be turned away from anyone in any hospital. I will end up being one of those people in a padded cell, rather than them push me away again....
WLAB - I can't believe that. You know, if I was getting pushed around like that, I think I'd ring the newspapers or A Current Affair and tell them they had a chance to blow the lid off our appalling health system once and for all. Can you imagine going through all of that with a camera crew following you? I don't think anybody would have the audacity to turn you away.
OP.
WLAB, what a horrible experience. I can't believe that people can be treated like that by hospitals and doctors in this age.
Diamond, I'm sorry to hear that AF arrived.
OP, my FS has said we can do IVF for our next attempt if this cycle doesn't work - it costs us less than $500 out of pocket for IUI including donor sperm so it looks like IVF will be a lot more expensive, but the chances of success go up by 4x.
I haven't been around much, life is really busy between work and it being school holidays (I'm a foster mum to a teenage girl).
I've started my second IUI cycle, I must be about Day 13 today. I had my CD2 bloodtest, everything was fine. On CD9 I had another bloodtest and ultrasound, there was a bit of concern that my follicles are all still really small, the biggest was only about 0.4cm. I had a followup bt and u/s on Friday (CD12) and my biggest follicle was still only 0.9cm. I'm not hugely concerned about being 'slow', because my last two cycles have been 39 days each, but the clinic decided to give me my very own Puregon pen (FSH) to stimulate the follicles. I really hope that it doesn't do too good a job, because I'm pretty sure they'll cancel my cycle if I have too many follicles. *fingers crossed* that it will be ok. My next bt and u/s is booked in for Monday (CD15) so we'll see how I go then.
Good luck to everyone wherever you are in your cycles.
Bella : IVF in Melb : PM me and I will give the full costs .. I completed a cycle last year on the safety net, and we were about $1500.00 out of pocket.. We just paid for our new cycle, without the net, so it will be interesting to see how much we are out of pocket this time around. Melb is cheaper than Sydney, we paid $3850.00 to start, + meds + hospital stay - so I will have a better idea of a non safety net account in a few weeks.
AFM: Sorry about the m/c post, I read that thread, had TWO !!!!! g/f's ring me yesterday and tell me they were pregnant, and the new cycle hopes and symptoms were doing my head in.. I cried myself to sleep, and feel better today, I dont let my friends know how completly hopeless I feel sometimes, so I just put on a brave face, over the phone..
Anyway, sorry for the rant, NEW YEAR - NEW CYCLE - NEW BEGINNING .... I might even change my BB name ..
Hi everyone,
SPREADING LOTS OF :pink-babydust::bluedust:
AND SHARING LOTS OF :grouphug::grouphug:
I had a great chat with DH last night and i have woken this am feeling really positive and hopeful!
2009 is going to be our year - all of us!!!!!!!!
Have a great day everyone
xxBella
Well unfortunately and fortunately however you want to see it i have officially joined the IUI journey..... Feeling really strange about it all not sure why it isn't all that different to what im doing right now with the OI cycles.....
So basically AF arrived on 6th Jan, i started the clomid yesterday so day 5 to 9, i head off for a scan on Monday 19th Jan ill be on day 14 that day (yes sounds late they wanted to scan me on day 11 but i havn't ovulated before day 16 on the clomid so no chance of missing it and i didn't want to drive over an hour for a scan on the Friday to be told i have to come back Monday anyway to ensure the size of the follie/s) going by the past 2 OI cycles ill ovulate on Wed 21st Jan so i should get a +ve OPK Tues arvo and then head to Ballarat early Wed morning for IUI!!!!! Then the nasty 2WW :crossfingers:
Im off to read where all you lovely ladies are at....
Babysteps - Diamond and I had long discussions last year about IVF v IUI. I'm anti-IVF for lots of reasons - the horrendous cost being one, and the lack of bedside manner being another. But that's jsut me and my set of FSs at IVFA. I went to IUI because it was lower financial and emotional impact, and even then, the impact was significant.
The statistics for both IUI and IVF are entirely dependent on your age. I am 40 - for me IUI was a 9.1% success rate, where IVF was 7.0%. That 2.1% meant everything to me, so when our clinic tried to push us back to IVF, I dug my heels in. I was very lucky to get a BFP that same day. It's important to remember 7 out of 10 couples leave IVF without a baby. The only way to impact that statistic ie to be one of the three that does get a baby, is to play the numbers. The more times you do IVF, the more chances you have of succeeding. I know people who mortaged their house to try IVF 12 times. They got a baby in the end, but I can't say the journey was easy at all.
I'm pregnant, so of course I'm a fan of IUI. But to win at this game, my DH had to hand over his job to a donor. That was not without great pain. I am grateful to him that he was a big enough man to know that was what we needed.
In the end, it boils down to what a person feels is best for them. Research makes all the difference - knowledge gives you the power to make the best decision for yourself. ANd I think the more knowledge we have, the better.
Big cheers,
OP.
Hi ladies
Babysteps - how did your appt go yesterday - hoping you have some fat follies
Diamond - how are you going ? Do you have a scan date as yet, now that AF arrived
OP - 10 weeks tommorow!!! tell me how you are going ??
Janeo - good luck with the iui - hoping ti breings a great bfp for you
Hi to Bella and Shades - and everyone xx
I'm good, WLAB. Had a long talk to my naturopath about the Vitex and feel confident there'll be no problems, only benefits. She said pregnant women with low prog usually have painful ovaries - I wouldn't say I've got that, but I've definitely got some sensations that are not comfortable. I've noticed a bit of a difference with this since starting the Vitex. The main aim here is to keep the endometrium thick and accommodating. Lets hope that works.
Did a raft of blood tests last Saturday - they took four vials! Plus I had to pee in two jars! Ironically one of the tests was for blood type. I'm a card carrying blood donor and have known my blood type since I was 19, but that wasn't good enough for them!
Anyway. Diamond! How are you lovely? Coping any better with the Synarel? I found this part of the process quite easy until about three days before collection, when my belly had expanded by 32cms!!! How are you feeling?
:-)
OP.
OP, thanks for that info on IUI vs IVF. I'll need to look into it further before I make a decision to change from IUI, it's not something we?ll be doing until after April so I have a while to investigate. I'm 32, I don?t know how that affects the success rates of either but I'll start searching for information soon. We're already using a donor as we're a same sex couple, so for us that's one less emotional hurdle. Not to say we haven't already had to address all our issues around this, but it was something we had to resolve before we could start the TTC journey.
I've had a few more scans and bloodtests, my follicle was up to 15mm yesterday so things are looking good. My next scan is tomorrow morning, hopefully I'll be ready for the IUI procedure on Friday.
Hi Guys!!
WLAB - what a terrible mc story, I am sorry to hear you went through such a nightmare. You are a strong woman.
janeo - good luck for your IUI! Sounds like you OI cycles have certainly warmed you up for this - not sure how it is different for you - where you doing OI and timed intercourse before?? Good luck hun.... you will find a wealth of knowledge here with these lovely ladies so pipe up whenever you have a question.
Babysteps - it is a hard decision to make. especially given the massive increase in costs. For us, it was a massive improvement on the chances of success, from 15-20% to 40-45%. Like Op said it is a numbers game and you have to play them to your advantage - what else can we do.....?? 15mm sounds like you are nearly ready for your procedure - good luck!!!!!
OP - 10 weeks already!! I cant believe it, time is going by so fast! Im glad you talked over the vitex at length with your natropath = they have obviously assured you that it wont do any harm.
AFM - still sniffing away....I am suffering a chronic headache that never goes away... I dont start fsh injections until friday - I think to time things with my Dr for the surgery. Im glad about that anyway cause hubby is away until then and he does the injections for me. So just waiting waiting waiting......gosh i am sick of this ttc waiting all the time!!!
Hi Ladies
Wlab - all i can say is what a damn disgrace the hospital system can be.
OP and others thanks for the info on IVF Vs IUI. If this IUI doesnt not work the FS I will have to do IVF or GIFT. Very danting - the cost and proceedure
Diamond- you mentioned some percentages in your last post. Were the higher percentages in favour of IUI?
AFM - insemination was on Friday, massive pains friday night, still have a little pain on right side (nurse said it was o pain) Taking progestorone pesseries am and pm. Nipples very sore from these. I dont have a blood test until the 2/2. I cant believe it! It is something to do with medicare.
What are other symptoms ppl have had taking the Progesterone pesseries?
Postive thinking everyone!!!!;)
Hey all,
Sounds like things are going pretty well for everyone at the moment!
toby - sounds like you're not very comfy atm. Can't shed any light on the pessaries, I don't think my clinic uses them, they're into injections.
Diamond - fingers crossed the headache goes away as soon as the synarel does and you can move on to jabbing yourself! Oh what a glorious time this TTC is!!
babysteps - glad to hear your follie is growing :-) it's always good to know things are moving in the right direction isn't it. Good luck for Friday!
OP - glad you discussed the vitex with your naturopath. I think mine wants to keep me on it for the first 12 weeks (when it happens) too so it's good to hear you're comfortable with it and it's helping.
Janeo - it's probably not going to be that different if you're using clomid, not until you do the IUI anyway. When are you hitting insemination point?
WLAB - what a horrible experience you had. It's certainly worth going to a major hospital that has a the expertise (Monash, Mercy (Heidelberg) and the Womens in Melbourne come to mind) if you ever think something's wrong. And don't leave without an ultrasound. As much as I loved working in the emergency department, it's true that the squeaky wheel does get the grease.
AFM - I'm still au naturale and getting annoyed with long cycles. I too am impatient diamond! But all signs point to ovulation yesterday. BBT doing the right thing, CM doing the right thing, I've got a handy little blood slip in my handbag (Prog was only 3 on Sunday) for sometime soon - any recommendations on when I should get them done? So I am now in TWW, next cycle will be IUI.