LT TTC and Assisted Conception July-August 2011

Hi Mia,

I am certainly no doctor but it sounds like a bit like symptoms of Polycystic Ovaries(which may lead to Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, PCOS). This is very common and can increase your insulin resistance in some cases, and can generally cause irregular periods where you do not ovulate at all or do not ovulate as frequently as per usual, also weight gain, unwanted hair etc . It can be managed quite well and you may want to check out the pcos australia websites or in BB.
In any case, don't freak out unneccessarily before speaking to your Doc, many women live with this (many without even knowing) and have babies but it's best to talk to your doctor/s before jumping to conclusions. (We all do it :redface:)

Yogi - I was soooo relieved to see your post this morning. You rest up and take care, I am cheering your little embie on :cheer:

Loops, I so hope that your circumstances change and that you can make it happen next month :crossfingers:

Hey Saffy, only 2 more sleeps - hang in there!!!!!

Hope all you other lovelies are doing well today... :D

Thanks Tantee! xo How are you going? Ticking lots of things off that list of yours? Hope you are well

Thanks Heaps Tantee :hug: ;)
I think it may be due to my weight gain, ie the insulin resistance?? The FS asked me re hair growth and bad skin but I dont get either, I hope they see this in the u/s or b/t Im having tomorrow so that can be discounted.
ARGH she shouldnt of put that in a letter where I could see it, I think we all freak out with this stuff.

Thanks Tantee - but its not looking good money wise. It's all changed, more $ due up front now but the refund from Medicare is quicker. The positive is that you can pay in 2 installments but the second installment is around $5000 so that is a hell of a lot up front. We dont have that kind of money all at once. Not unless we try and take out another loan some how. So yeh pretty disappointed and AF defintiely here today :(
Sorry for the negativity ladies - just why does it have to be so damn expensive :protest:

hi ladies,
firstly welcome Mia :hello: hope we can help you with some questions, although I can't really help with the insulin resistace, I guess you will just have to wait and find out (they should have put the letter in an envelope lol) Its so hard not to freak out when you hear something like this. I was misdiagnosed with a bicornate uterus by an U/S guy, I lost the plot and it was for nothing cos it wasn't even correct, so try not to worry until anything is definate. :hug:

loops-yep it sux, that sounds really expensive, i think my clinic must do it differently, cos the largest amount i've ever had to pay up fron was ~$4600 (stim cycle), can you research different clinics and how the payment is organised?

tantee- thanks, one more sleep now!! Hope you are enjoying your time off x

yogibear- you are definately in with a shot- you are PUPO!!! I will see you in the tww thread?? Sounds like a hideous drive to the transfer, I would have been a nervous wreck too, I hate going into a transfer feeling stressed but I'm sure it doesn't make any difference, and at least you can relax now. :stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy:

Melissa- thanks hun! Your schedule sounds very full on, all the signs were pointing to a transfer being a bad idea, esp with the ohss, so get ready for October, I;m hoping that things are falling into place then! Enjoy the time off

Hi happybaby, how are you hun xx

afm-what a week! I have been feeling sooo stressed, I think its the medication ( letrozole), it has made me anxious and emotional ++, horrible week at work, cat got injured, DH is away, my foxtel broke, any minor setback has had me in floods of tears- not how I wanted to go into a transfer/tww!! So today I am supposed to be working but they made a mistake and left me off the roster and I decided not to say anything, and use today to relax- hopefully i get away with it ;)
:dance: tomorrow I will be PUPO :dance:

Loops :hug: Does your clinic only do it that way? I know my old clinic you could just pay the gap amount, yes it did take longer to go through medicare but you didn't have to find the full amount up front. Maybe could ask them if there are other options? Its just so damn unfair that we have to worry about money with all this...i just wish we could be like others who probably just spend $10 on pizza & cheap bottle of wine on a saturday night, have a good time then BINGO UTD!!! Ohhh to live in such ignorance and naivety!! :angry:

Saffy sorry you have had a bad week :hug: I know exactly what you mean about the smallest things setting you off. Its important to remember that we are just not our usual selves with all the drugs and hormones racing around our bodies....did i tell you what happened to me last week? The damn clinic stuffed up and didn't give me enough needles for my lucrin and i wasn't going to drive over hour & half to pick one up, they left me to try and get one locally from a chemist but had no luck, poor DH he rang me and i totally flipped out and rampaged the house and went to slam a door soooo hard i dislocated my shoulder...it popped right out and was just hangin there!!! Totally freaked me out and managed to pop it back in then spent 4 hours in bed till i could get in to see the chiropractor!! After all that i just ended up reusing the needle from the night before...just didn't care!! It does scare me sometimes how all this is affecting my body and i do wonder about the effects that 12 stim cycles of drugs & hormones will have on me in the future. :shakehead:

Anyway, rest up today... light some calming candles & have a bath and get ready to have your bubsicles back to you safe and sound tomorrow! Are you putting two back?

Mia, sorry i cant help you with the insulin resistance issue, i hope all goes ok today and its just FS being overly cautious and thorough?...could be a good thing for a FS, as i wish my old one was more proactive in testing etc

Loops, with regards to cycle after a chem pg, i've had a few chem pg and from memory AF was around 5-7 days late the next cycle. But then again i was always coming out of a full stim cycle and i think it took a month or two to get back into its regular cycle. TBH i am not sure what is regular or 'normal' for me anymore. I went to see a new acupuncturist recently and had the million & one questions at the initial consultation about my cycles and i was ..."gee, you know i just dont know what to say because i haven't really had a good run of normal cycles for about 5 years now!! In between ivf cycles and miscarriages my body has been all over the shop!!"
Anyway, sorry that probably wasn't much help :redface:

YIPEEEEE another friday rolls around...have a great weekend everyone, hope you dont get too wet!!

Much love & warm fuzzies going out to you all :loveshower:
Yogi
xx

Thanks ladies
Now looking into the short-term small loans that may help us through. I think this may be our last IVF though as we just can't keep affording this. no-matter what the process is its still bloomin expensive. Have to live in hope that one day it may change drastically and be next to nothing. Wouldnt it be nice.
My clinic used to do it that way Saff and Yogi - was only about $4600 up front but they have changed it around. I thought my clinic was one of the cheapest.
The last few days DH and I have had a real rough patch in our marriage but its too long a story. We are talking through it now though.
Thank you all so much for your support xoxox

Saff ~ FX'd tight for you still!! hope to get great news from you very soon! :stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl:

Yogi ~ I saw your post in TWW - :hug: you've been through way too much and its your turn, :pray: for you so much. I know how you feel about thinking we may never have that baby kicking in our tums and having a miracle in our arms. hence I am already really starting to look at adoption and fostering, so at least I can be a parent. For the moment we must keep trying and hoping we get to experience the whole pregnancy. :comfort:

Hope everyone is well :grouphug:

Hi Ladies,

I hope you don’t mind me rejoining the thread again… I am back for another natural FET after the last one resulted in a chemical pregnancy. I’m CD 12 today and start BT’s tomorrow to check for ovulation. Feeling kinda excited at getting going again… I hate all of this waiting in-between and am so impatient!

Loops – So sorry about the finances hun :hug:. It is such a b*#*h that IVF has to cost so much… completely unfair as we have all NOT chosen this path, we have been led down it with no choice :(. All this IVF stuff can also put a huge strain on the marriage… at one stage, DH & I had to meet with the clinic counselor for a few sessions as I started to get completely resentful towards him even though I knew it wasn’t his fault he had male factor infertility. I just couldn’t help getting angry with him as he DIDN’T have to have all the shots and go through the egg retrievals etc. IVF just adds added pressure on relationships that is so not needed! I’m glad that you are talking it through with hubby :hug:.

I’ll be :pray:’ing for a natural miracle for you in the meantime!

Yogi – Again, hope you are feeling a little better :hug:. Ditto to the sentiments of the other ladies… it truly is your turn to receive a little miracle and I pray that this is your month! Thinking of you :hug:.

Saffy – Hope you are doing ok over in the 2ww! Sending you lots and lots of :stickyvibesgirl:!

Mia – I hope you have had more light shed on the letter and that the outcome was good! We have enough to worry about let alone adding anything additional to the mix.

Hello :hello: to all the other ladies our there.

Hi there

I saw the FS yesterday and we're trying another cycle for August. Should be starting around the 10th if AF behaves. My FS explained that the embryo quality wasn't as good as last time even though we got more eggs and had 100% fertilisation rate. We're trying a new method of selecting the sperm for ICSI this time.
I also found out the genetic results of the fetal embryo from the mc in March. It was a boy embryo which gave me a sudden jump to my heart when I heard that. Turns out there was an extra chromosome on number 13 which is worse than having Downs. FS said they rarely last until pg so it was always going to mc. He said the good thing about finding this out is that at least it's not a problem with my uterus.

Coral I'm like you too. All this waiting around for another cycle is frustrating.

Loops Yes the money situation is so depressing. We haven't been able to try naturally this month because DH is out of the country for work. My clinic makes me pay up front in two installments as well. They rang me for the second installment as my credit card was denied. I hope you're able to afford it.

Hi Mia, Yogi, Saffy and others. Hope you're all doing well. Catch up in the coming weeks.
xx HB

Good Morning Ladies!

Saffy - Is your BT today or tomorrow? Sending you lots and lots of :pink-babydust:! GOOD LUCK :goodluck: if it is today... thinking of you xoxxo

happybaby - Oh, happybaby - that must have been really tough to hear :hug:. I'm really sorry you had to go through that... it must have been so upsetting let alone finding out the gender :(. Great news that you will be starting again soon though... hopefully the new protocol will be the missing successful link :pray:.

Loops - Hope you are going well, hun. Is the possibility of doing another IVF round any closer? I hope the finances change for the better for you so you can get stuck in again soon :hug:.

Mia - How's everything going? Have you started your cycle yet?

Yogibear – How r u? I hope you are doing ok and that you have received some very good news :hug:.

AFM – Slowly plodding along… my BT result from Friday only showed that my estrogen had moved slightly off base to 268 so just at the start of ovulation. Had another BT this morning and am hoping and :pray:’ing by some miracle that it has showed I ovulated yesterday or will today so that ET will fall on Friday or Saturday which is a non-work day! My direct supervisor knows I am trying again, but I haven’t told the big boss yet… not sure how he will react… Murphy’s Law will tell you ET will be on a Monday again though – arrgghhh!! I think if it is then I will tell him as it looks really bad to have another Monday sickie!

Hi Ladies, thanks for the sticky vibes x

coral- my BT is Wednesday!! Torture- no symptoms but no sign of af yet either. I agree with you ET are always on days when its inconvenient with work- hoping you have a good result from your BT today xx

happybaby-:hug: poor little boy- is that called Edwards syndrome? I'm so sorry it turned out that way. FX for new cycle. the 10th august is nearly upon us, best of luck hun x

Loops- I hope ivf becomes cheaper soon too,its such a rip off, hope you are going ok x

Yogi -are you ok?? :crossfingers:

afm- no symptoms at all, not poas because too sacred so will wait it out til Wednesday if AF doesn't appear in the meantime

babydust to everyone xx

Hi everyone

Loops, sorry to hear you're having a rough time with DH, i hope you have been able to talk things over and hold each other that little bit closer. thinking of you xxx :hug:

thanks for your hugs Coral...good luck with your FET.

happybaby, its hard getting those D&C results :hug: finding out the sex makes it all the more real. its good to have some answers now and you can move forward. My last d&c testing showed a normal karyotype female, and although i guess it was good news that chromosomally ok, it certainly didn't make me feel any better...i just now wonder if different treatment might have saved her? (but i know i just cant go there :shakehead:)

Hi again Saffy...i think you should poas, get First Response brand from woolies, i think they are the better ones! :crossfingers::crossfingers::crossfingers:

Bit reluctant posting this...but i know i am amoung BB friends who understand. I was naughty on friday night, i did a hpt and was negative so had quite a few drinks. did another on saturday and HOLY CRAP it was positive (different brand of hpt, obviously more sensitive!!) I'm going in for the bt tomorrow. I am so shocked as i was soooo certain that this cycle hadn't worked, i've had absolutely NO symptoms at all. This is now my 5th pregnancy in a row..over the last 2 & half years, with 5 cycles and 5 pregnancies...and all ending badly! so i know i have a long long way to go and many big hurdles and i honestly still dont want myself to actually believe that it may happen.

But obviously still anxious & scared & wish i could sleep the next few months away...i'm just so scared of another m/c now as we said if it happens again that would be it...so now i guess this really is the decider for us, make or break time on this long ivf journey, our path is at a crossroads now and its all up to fate, or God, or the universe or whoever/whatever is in control!!!

Messed up Yogi...trying to remain calm??! :dunno:
xx

Yogi ~ surely there is something they can do to help it stick! Were you one of the ladies that has done the Colorado protocol? perhaps that would help. FX'd for a great BT result hun. No need to feel guilty about the drinks - I've done it too. All the disappointment we keep having - we have to try and not let it rule our lives and so sometimes we just need a good drink ;) :stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy: - positive thoughts and :pray: for you!

Coral ~ all the best today hun, GL in the TWW!

HB ~ Glad you can have another go this month and that your uterus is ok - you have a good chance hun, :crossfingers: Must have been tough finding that stuff out but also nice to know what sex as well :comfort:

Saffy ~ GL today, thinking of you with FX'd tight!

Thanks for all your support ladies re: our finances and also with DH. DH and I are doing much better - he went back to work today after 7months off with his neck fractures :)Really not too sure at the moment what to do re: AC, have a finance person looking into short-term loans for us for IVF in Nov but really not too sure if I wanna take out another loan. Thinking about finding out how much IUI would be and maybe trying that again too. This I think will be our last AC attempt though for quite some time as I'm so sick of the financial strain.

Hope everyone is well. :grouphug:
Im off to a work summit this week so wont be on here. Will be good to have a little break even though I'll kinda be working. best wishes ladies, have a great week.

Afternoon All,

Just an update from me... clinic is predicting ovulation for Wednesday so I have my ET booked in for Monday at 12:20pm (of course it had to be Monday!). I bit the bullet and told my big boss as I figured it was better he know why I wouldn't be in instead of thinking I decided to have an extended long weekend after a big Sunday Session!

Feels like forever away... I am so impatient :doh:!

Loops - So glad you and DH are in a better place but I am sad to hear that things are still up in the air with the AC and finances :hug:. It is such a burden... I am fortunate in that I can borrow money from my sister, otherwise, we couldn't afford it either.

I think the IUI could possibly be a really good option for you.... especially with the natural BFP (sorry again that it was a chem preg :hug:) you recently had. IUI might be just what you need to get over the line and it is way, way more reasonably priced.

Good Luck at your work summit and talk to you when you get back :).

Yogi Bear - Still thinking of you and crossing :crossfingers: everything I have for a really, really sticky little emby! Hope you are travelling well and holding in there ok :pray:.

Saffy - Oh, 2 more sleeps to go... the 2ww is just torture!! You are a strong women holding out POAS'ing, he, he! I am so hopeless and can't help myself even though I vow not to do it at the beginning of every 2ww :). No AF is a GOOD sign and no symptoms can definitely mean a BFP too.... I've seen plenty of ladies on here who were totally surprised by their BFP's as they had no symptoms at all! Sending you lots of :pink-babydust:!

Fingers crossed for you tomorrow Saffy xxx

How long to go Yogi???????????? Hang in there luv.

Great news for Monday Coral... you are on track to your BFP.

Happybaby, big hugs, it must have been hard news to hear, but also a positive in there too. Hope you are taking good care of yourself.

Hope the rest of you are all doing well.

AFM, tick tock, tick tock, just passing time really but getting a fair bit crossed off my to do list. Looking at moving next year so will try and get the house in good order for selling. Have been seeing a councellor and feeling more positive about getting started with TTC again, but still not 100% ready just yet.

Saffy? Yogi? How did you both go??????

:dance::bfp: for me!!!....soooo happy xx

BHCG was 150, progesterone 140 :D

And its a :bfp: for me too!! with very similar levels to Saffy also! :dance:
Totally shocked by this as was sooooo certain this cycle was a no go for me, but just goes to show!? Hopefully our lone little embie continues to be a trooper and soldiers on the full distance now!

Loops, i've been on clexane for years now when i had pos ANA detected. Then was tested positive for NK cells about a year ago and did the last 2 cycles on prednisolone & clexane...still m/c both times. This time i am seeing a Reproductive Immunologist who uses Intralipid infusion (and uses dexamethasone instead on prednisone) which has been successful in UK & US to help women with recurrent m/c & NK cells, so i'm praying that this is finally the treatment for me to get me over the line. This Dr is confident that "we will get there" and i must say its so wonderful to find a positive Dr who believes it can happen for me...compared to my other FS's who seem to just shake their heads and blame my 'bad eggs'.

Thanks so much for all your support ladies...sending out big hugs for you all :grouphug:
I hope we see lots more good news in here very soon.

Much love
Yogi
xx