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babytruj, I'm so sorry to hear that. :comfort: I hope you can enjoy your break and that your golden egg will be waiting for you when you're ready to TTC again.
Possums, good luck with your next cycle. I remember you were here quite a lot when I first joined. I'm glad that you've been able to get your health back on track.
Babytruj - I'm so sorry to hear your news. I hope you are doing OK :)
Possums - Sorry you are hear, I remember your name as well! I completely understand lurking as it's nice to leave the stressing until the 2WW if you can.
Littlemissmoo, Terry, Sevie, Trueblue, inshelligent, mindhugs, Lisa B, Kaybee, minime, yogibear and anyone else I have missed - hope you are having a nice day.
AFM - I just went to the sales for some retail infertility therapy. Made me feel better so maybe they should let us rebate our shopping through medicare!!
On another note: re Stress and IVF I can say categorically that for me stress makes NO difference at all to the outcome when you are on a medicated cycle (be in IVF or FET), The drugs are powerful enough to overcome the hormones created/causing stress on the body. When I got my BFP I was working a very stressful job and had spent three years TTC and had numerous assisted fertility attempts - the nurses at my clinic certainly knew me by name!
Anyway, just thought I would mention this as I know it's been used by family and friends as the reason those of us going through IVF aren't falling pregnant, but it's absolute crap. As my FS said, "Show me a woman who ISN'T stressed doing IVF - if that was the problem, we would never get anyone pregnant" I am now far less stressed trying for #2 and have had far more IVF attempts this time and still not fallen pregnant.
Aw Babytruj huge hugs I think enjoying your holidays sounds like a good thing then you'll be all fresh but hugs for now chick
Lairdoz: well said... too many people out there think that when your not stressed it will happen but what about women who have been raped, had family members die or just been flat out stressed with life in general and gotten pregnant without help...
Hi everyone,
I can never keep up with where everyone is at by the time I get to writing my reply (after reading all yours).
Anyway on the weekend I met 2 women who had IVF stories to share. One told me her sister in law had 3 cycles of IVF (full stim cycles each time) and the last one ended with a chemical pregnancy. I asked if she had a baby now and was told she is now pursuing the adoption route (not what I wanted to hear). But then the other woman got pregnant on her 1st IVF cycle (her husband had low sperm count so they used ICSI and since she had no medical fertility issues it worked first go). She has a 3 year old daughter now.
I also spoke to a friend of mine who was an egg donor for her cousin. She was 29 when she did it and she told me she was quite shattered when they only got 4 eggs and only one made it to an embryo for transfer (and then it didn't work). She said she had found it very upsetting as she was young and had always assumed she would be very fertile (she hasn't had her own kids yet but her sisters have been very fertile) and only getting so few eggs and embryos after all the injections made her wonder if she will have trouble concieving herself. I told her this atleast made me feel a bit better about my 12 eggs and only ending up with one embryo, and we were able to have a bit of a laugh about it as she often teases me about being old (I'm 4 years older than her) and I tease her about being a baby! LOL I asked about her cousin and she said they tried with another egg donor after that but still had no luck and she thinks they gave up after that. :-(
On a sad and happy note a friend of mine who had been trying to get pregnant naturally for about 6 years before looking into possibly using a sperm donor and finally going the IVF route (ICSI due to her partner's low sperm count) just gave birth. She got pregnant on her first IVF attempt (she only got one embryo from that cycle so this had given me hope when I had ended up with only one embryo). Well her son was born last week - 26 weeks gestation. He will be in hospital for 100 days apparently (if he survives). I hadn't spoken to her last week because of my BFN and just needing to not chat to people who were pregnant and now I feel really bad. It seems like they have been through so much with it being touch and go - he needed insulin & oxygen and at one stage he went down hill and they weren't allowed to touch him at all but now he is a bit better. It seems like he is a real fighter so I'm hoping for my friend that he can survive against the odds. I couldn't imagine going through all of this to try for a baby and then have it born so far prem and just praying so hard it survives. I feel guilty for having been upset about my disappointment with not getting pregnant as what she is going through is so much worse.
I have my appointment with my specialist on Thursday to discuss what my options are if I do decide to try again.
Lori
Started donor search Dec 06, Started donor insemination Jan 09, Started IVF Feb 10 - 1st cycle BFN and no frosties
Dreamrise - don't make yourself feel bad about not wanting to call your friend earlier. Dealing with your own pain and problems doesn't mean you think your problems are worse than everyone else's - they're just yours and no-one else is going to deal with them for you. Why is it that someone who has already been through so much has to now go through even more?
On the stress issue - I love people giving the advice - 'maybe you need to stop thinking about it for a while', it's right up there with 'maybe you should go out and get drunk then have sex - that's how I got pregnant'.
Good luck to those who are nearly the end of their TWW :crossfingers:
Evening ladies,
Inshell - sorry to hear that it was BFN, sucks big time. Enjoy your wine as it won't be long before you'll be off it for 9 months.
Yogi - hurry up AF!!! Probably one of the only times to want to bring on AF.
Kaybee - hope your doing well there.
Lairdoz - GL with the BTs hope you are on track. Infertility therapy...I'm a big fan of it. I told myself on the last cycle I did that if I wasn't UTD I would buy myself a new pair of shoes as a constellation prize.
Littlemissmoo - Did you ever have problems with getting the right dose of syneral or is it just the uncertain feeling? I sometimes wonder about this myself but I'm being scanned on Thursday so the truth will be known then. :crossfingers: for number 4.
Sevie - your a strong person to be in the job you are in whilst going through fertility treatment. I'm in social work and see referrals for children born to drug dependant parents and here I am trying to eat right, think right, act right etc. Life's not fair sometimes.
Terry - I'm not up yet with the ins and outs of FETs but I'm hoping yours will be on track.
Trueblue - all the home made stuff sounds absolutely fabulous. A child will be lucky to have you both as parents.
Babytruj - :hug: really sorry to hear about the chemical...that' really crap. Enjoy your break.
Possums - wishing you luck hunnie
Dreamrise - GL for Thursday. It is interesting when you start asking around how many people had problems concieving and did IVF. I've found a few myself when I mentioned my problems. It must be really tough for your friend. I'm sure she understands that you needed some time.
LisaB: aw you made me cry with that comment lol not hard to do atm... thank you
I have had an emotional day am putting it down to having a very very crap nights sleep and having a pregnyl booster yesterday... then I found out that my ex best friend is 3 months preg and she had a misscarraige a few years ago just miffs me a bit.. the worst though for today was saying goodbye to our last puppy who was three months old was so attatched to him I balwed my eyes out. Got to spent alot of quality time with my goddaughter today though which although tired me out i loved every minute of it
Hi everyone
There certainly has been a lot happening in here over the past few weeks. Hugs and kisses to everyone.
AFM - I did my first FET on Friday 21 May (which ended up being day 25) as I ovulated really late this cycle. Normally I'm a 28 day cycle however the stim cycle the month before messed with me a bit :rolleyes:
Anyway, I'm off to get bloods done tomorrow and I'm pretty sure it will be a BFN. Warning - TMI....I started getting a light brown discharge on Sunday (day 34) and its been like that ever since. Although it did change colour to a more red today. So if AF has arrived, its very very light.
I'm thinking if it is a BFN we might start considering alternative options this month to help support the IVF. Thinking of making a booking to see Zam Martin in Spring Hill. Anyone used her?
Just wondering, I've been tested for all of the major fertility issues (so has DH) and apparently we are fine - can anyone else suggest other tests that I should be asking for?
I'm really worried that FS has overlooked something small and that no matter how many FETs we do, it won't work :(
Guess I'm just feeling pretty down about the whole thing at the moment.
xxoo
J
Inshelligent- you made me lol. I can't agree with you more!! I've talked several times to friends about people's TOP's and the idea of transplants!
Lisa- We get a lot of drug-dependant mother's/babies at my hosp, and women from the classic lower socio-economic multiple fathers story, and it still suprises me that I can be 'just fine' with them...they'd never know I had an issue. Except for when they ask me about having my own children. I general tell them honestly where I'm at, or at least that I do IVF, and hope they can appreciate there fortune even just a little bit.
Dreamrise- thanks for telling your friend's IVF stories, it so very much shows that anything can happen- good and bad! Why couldn't Mother Nature have shared out 'good fertility' fairly??!
Kaybee- didn't you know that you just had to have loads of stress-free holiday rolly-polly to get up the duff?! honestly!
Hi to all the other buds out there, hopeful today was a good one for you.
wow, this thread has been busy. I've been popping in and out and read so much I don't know where to start!
Justina - Good luck with your bloods. The FN stressed to me that even if I got bleeding that didn't mean a negative, especially if it's irregular. Stay positive!! FX'd for you!!
Trueblue - I feel for you, I really do. With so many other things going on right now you have a right to be emotional. Stay strong!
Dreamrise - thanks for sharing those stories. It really puts our own struggles into perspective. :pray: that you friend's baby overcomes this hurdle to live a long and healthy life.
Lairdoz - I like the idea of the medicare rebate... I could do with some retail therapy. Thanks for your words on stress. Going into my TWW, It makes me a bit less stressed to hear that it doesn't matter if i'm stressed!!! ;)
Babytruj - I'm sorry to hear that. Enjoy your time away. Make sure you get up to lots of mischief... you never know!
Inshelligent - Sorry about your results. Hope you enjoyed that wine! Good luck for your FETs!
I know i've missed a thousand people, and I hope all of you are well. Good luck with everything you are doing.
AFM - ET DAY!! 6 embies made it to this stage. So I guess 6 is my new lucky number?? To tell you the truth, I was a bit upset when they said only 6. I guess it's the hormones?? I'm really feeling the progesterone, but I was wondering, does OHSS go away straight after the egg collection? I have been sore and I can feel my ovaries aching... strange! I've got 3 days of bed rest planned and DH has agreed to wait on me hand and foot... so sweet. I'm gonna give this little embie a very comfortable home to burrow into!!
MiniMe, good to hear 6 embies made it this far! FX transfer goes perfectly today! As far as I know, OHSS usually sets in a few days after EPU (early onset) or a few days before a BFP (late onset). I know it can also happen earlier, but I think these are the two most typical scenario as it is usually the hcg (from trigger for early onset or pregnancy for late onset) that sets it off. I'm usually pretty bloated for a few days after EPU and I did get that bloat return a few days before my beta, but I haven't had full blown OHSS (thankfully).
Justina, I had light bleeding (red and then brown) last week for two days before my beta and was sure I was out. Turns out it was implantation. Try not to give up before you get your blood test done. I hope you get the result you want today! Which Spring Hill are you talking about? There's a few in Australia. If you're in Brisbane then I go to Jenny Byrne at East West Fertility at Ashgrove. She's pretty highly regarded and I have been very impressed with her. I haven't heard anything about a clinic at Spring Hill, but that doesn't mean anything.
Thanks for your thoughts everyone, and sorry for no personals...
Any suggestions as to what blood tests I should have done? To rule anything out??
Hi all
Im so sorry want to do persies but I just havent got the time and have struggled to ctah up - there is so much going on in here.
To Babytruj and others that have had difficult news and BFN's - im so sorry and feeling for you - big group hug. Hang in there and keep trying - we can all do it!!
Hi to the newbies and wishing you all the very best!
To all those currently waiting - fingers and toes crossed for you all. And GL to those jabbing sniffing etc.
AFM ~ Have just ovulated about 6 days ago and have been getting hopes up because Ive had some strange tummy pains, back and neck pain (same as what I had with last BFP) and a lot of mucous (sorry TMI). So Im hoping but trying not to get too excited. Guess I'll be testing after the weekend - dont think i'll be able to help myself but I'll see how strong I can be.
Big hugs everyone and sending out lots of babydust and stickyvibes!!!
xoxo
loops, good luck!! We need some BFP's here, it's been a slow month!
aagghh...was just at the end of a long post and lost it when I accidentally touched a wrong key.
Loops - you go girl, a natural BFP would be fantastic, crossing my fingers for you
Minime - hope your transfer went smoothly and the embie is making itself comfortable for the long haul
Justina - I seen a lot of girls on BB who bleed before getting their BFP so hang in there. If you do need further tests, and hopefully you wont, I saw a thread about this in the Long Term and Assisted Conception page. I asked my doctor to give me all the tests named in here. GL with your BT
Trueblue - make sure you take some time to do something nice for yourself
AFM: I have my down reg scan tomorrow so hopefully I start stimming tomorrow. I try and make a nice morning of it (well as much as you can before work) and go early read a book or some work stuff and have a hot chocolate. Not looking forward to the scan as I still have AF. Saw my naturopath today and feel like I've paid a small fortune...I keep forgetting about that IVF payment on my VISA.
Loops: fx'd chick and remember if it's a bfn it's not over till the fat af sings
LisaB: I have been doing things for me had a loverly relaxing bath last night and just relaxing I am back to work tommorrow woohoo have missed the cows so much woohoo as of tommorrow only 7 days to go till bt... and the days should go quick tommorrow is back at work and also a dairy expo we are going too, friday am working plus I am getting my photos ready for a comp the following weekend my mum and dad are coming this weekend and mum's taking me to SATC2 then monday is just another day at work but tuesday we have a farm walk, wednesday normal and then woohoo it's d day so really the days should fly by it would be so loverly to get some more bfp's in here it certainly has been a slow month
Good morning ladies,
Lisa B - best of luck with the scan today. hopefully youll be jabbin away soon, and enjoy ur hot choccie too!
Loops - ohh a surprise natural pregnancy would be lovely, fingers crossed for you. i have heard lots of stories of couples falling while in between ivf cycles, hope you are one of them.
Terry - good luck with the FET
littlemissmoo - sounds like 4 could be your lucky number!!
Babytruj - so sorry to hear you had a chemical preg, i have had a few of them and it just s%#ks! we work so hard to get a positive results and then the excitement and hope comes crashing down at the next bt. just have to pray that next time it well & truely sticks :pray: take is easy, be kind to yourself xxx
Justina - did you have ur bt yesterday? maybe it was a bfp & you are still off celebrating, oh i hope so!
MiniMe - fantastic effort!! 6 perfect embies, i would be over the moon to get 6 embryos as i usually only get about 2 or 3 if i'm lucky. When is the transfer?
With regards to the stress issue, as Lairdoz said IVF is a stressful process in itself and lots of women get preg with ivf!! I have come to accept that anything can happen during an ivf cycle and i try really really hard to take each step at a time. its so hard to do but if you can try and not "run away" with your hopes and dreams and just tackle each set of results as they come up then it can help i think...the number of follicles does not necessarily represent the number of eggs you will get....the number of eggs you get will not necessarily be the number of eggs that fertilise...and the number of fertilised eggs you get does not mean that they will all grow to day 3 or day 5 and be transferred. Anything can happen in this game and i think the trick is to expect the unexpected...or try not to expect anything at all and maybe be pleasantly surprised!!
Anyway, sorry am blabbing on a bit. Big hello to all the lovely ladies here who i have missed, am sending lots of calming vibes and good positive energy your way. :p
Still waiting for the wicked AF to show, she is usually a few days late :rolleyes:
Well, I'm sitting here almost literally twiddling my thumbs. I hate the waiting game...
Juniper - Thanks for the kind words and the sound advice. I don't think I have OHSS, just some stomach cramps. I hope they don't affect implantation though.
Loops - Good Luck, FX'd for a natural! That would be great!!
Lisa B- Hope your down reg scan went well and you can start jabbing yourself as soon as possible!! Thanks for the kind words!!
Trueblue - Good luck getting back to work. I'm sure the time will fly!
AFM - Had my ET yesterday. They said I had an excellent expanded blastocyst and the doctor upped my odds by about 5% (still at a 50% chance). That made me feel really good, but I was terrified that it was going to fall out!!! :o They have a really old lift there and it bounces you when you get to the floor and I was pretty much freaking out, then a nice nurse told me how my endometrium was like a jam sandwich and it couldn't go anywhere, even if it wanted to. That made me feel a bit better. Bed rest yesterday, and today pretty much the same. I don't want to rush back into my normal activities, I need some 'me' time.
Hope everyone is well, GL with all your planned endeavors.
Just a quick one from me just now.
Had my down reg scan, all is going well, yay! Starting Gonal tonight. I can't believe I got the Gonal on medicare...something for free!!! I've had to pay for all other medications all the time including the puregon when i was doing OI. Is everyone getting Gonal for free? Will I need to pay for Crinone? I was paying about $200 a month for progesterone pessaries for OI.
Lisa, I'm surprised you couldn't get the puregon through the PBS. I've never had to pay for either the puregon or gonal-f. I can only think that maybe you hadn't fulfilled the conditions for prescription for some reason? I've always had to pay for the synarel, but the crinone for the 2ww has been included in the cycle price. Any progesterone after the beta has to be paid for. I'm on the progesterone pessaries instead of crinone this time, and on the weekend we paid $80 for a week's worth. :( Every cent is worth it if it means a baby in our arms though!
Hi Ladies
Thanks for your lovely wishes, yes it would be absolutely awesome to get a natural BFP! Including the fact that it would be free for a change LOL.
Lisa B ~ Glad things are going well with your cycle. FX for the rest and a BFP at the end!!
True ~ So glad you are occupying yourself but have also been relaxing :pray: for you.
MiniMe ~ Excellent news about the blasty, GL, and everything crossed for you 2!!
Yogi Bear ~ thanks hun! Hope AF comes for you soon so you can try again.
Juniper ~ Will all be worth it, GL hun!
Wow - you miss a day on here and so there's so much to catch up on.
Minime - loads of good luck and good vibes heading your way for the little emby growing in your tum!
Justina - I've also had implantation bleeding before a BFP, so I wouldn't stress (there's that word again) as it could actually be a really good sign.
Babytruj - so sorry about your results. That thread someone else mentioned has heaps of tests to ask for. I went to a naturopath / acupuncturist yesterday who said that clotting disorders can be related to very early miscarriages - it's a shot in the dark but could be worth checking out???
Loops - Hope you can stay strong over the weekend. A good clear result on mon is better than something hazy over the weekend. Fingers crossed that you get a BFP - you could spend the ivf money on something fun instead, maybe?
Lisa B - I know what you mean about the money - constantly forking out for things. Went to a naturopath yesterday who didn't really tell me anything new but I just want to give anything a go (more money). Do you find yours is helpful? Mine couldn't give me very much advice as I'm already living a fairly boring, oops, I mean healthy life. Yay - starting stims - things are moving and happening!
Trueblue - hope when I'm up to my TWW I'm as busy and positive as you
Yogibear - great advice about ivf and expectations. If nothing else we're all learning that virtue of patience. Hope AF comes soon so you can get on with things.
AFM - heard one of those freaky stories yesterday about a girl I know who went to hospital with stomach pains and gave birth to a 7 pound baby boy - she had no idea she was pregnant! Imagine not having to wait at all!!! Anyway, like I said, have started going to a naturopath / acupuncturist because I've read that it can have good results with ivf. I have no idea how this could be but am willing to try anything. She mentioned a few disorders that I could be tested for if this cycle fails, but I was surprised that my FS hasn't ever talked about these. I've never really had any tests or investigations apart from the initial stuff a few years ago before I had my DS. It seems they can just keep collecting the money for each cycle without really doing anything else. Imagine any other doctor only having to aim for 30% success rate? Now I'm just being cynical.
It's good to be on cycle - feels like I'm doing something
Quick question - I just rang to find out my BT results and I ovulated this morning as I could feel the pain as well as the BT results which showed my oestrogen went down from yesterday and LH peaked etc - but my blast transfer isn't until next Wednesday. I rang the clinic as I though it should be on Tuesday (Ovulation day +5) but they said no, they allow two days to ovulate which means for me my transfer will be ovulation day +6. Is this normal for any of you guys to have a transfer potentially one day past your actual cycle date for a FET? - Hope this makes sense!
Sorry no persies - hope everyone is doing well!
xxx
Hello there Lairdoz - the few fets i have done is as you say ovulation day is called 0 then count from there and have transfer on either 3 or 5 days after that. but maybe they are going to thaw the embryo on the tuesday and give it a day to grow a bit more before transfer on wed, not sure? But anyway congrats that all systems are go!! am sure all will be fine and will be crossing everything that this cycle is THE ONE! good luck
Hi again to everybody :D
Hello everyone,
I have been reading over the posts and I must say, I am surprised at how many people out there have been on a long road TTC and you don't realise it is so common.
To know of others going through the similar situations, make it that little bit easier and knowing that there are people out there to talk to about what you are going through, even though each case is similar, it is still different for each person, the level of support that is on BB is amazing and gives you the strength not to give up.
Thank you in advance for all of your knowledge and advice that I know you guys will give over time.
I look forward to seeing you around BB :)
Take care
Nicole
Hi ladies
Oh well, I'm officially out again this cycle :( Got a BFN on my BT yesterday.
It was a hard morning for me yesterday - burst into tears as soon I was back in the car after having my bloods done at QFG. Poor hubby didn't know what to do.
I think I already knew the results and felt really overwhelmed by the whole process.
Anyway, that was last cycle and I'm now looking to the future for this cycle.
So I've now decided to start acupuncture and try some Chinese herbs. I met up with Zam yesterday afternoon and she was lovely :)
We had a big chat about my history and she has started me on herbs and acupuncture to address stress and sex hormones (kidney), as well as herbs to help with sleep and my cycles (apparently your liver contributes to that).
So here is a list of what I'm taking:
Omega 3 (2 tablets) each morning
Mexican Valerian (1x morning and night)
Premular (1 x morning)
And 8 mls (morning and night) of a very horrible tasting liquid mix of echinacea, elecampane, bupleurum, eyebright and marshmallow.
I'll also be doing acupuncture once a week.
Here's hoping this helps.
All the very best to all the lovely ladies in their TWW - have everything crossed for you.
I'll pop back for an update in the next few days on how the herbs are going.
Thanks again for all of the advice - its much appreciated :)
J xxoo
Juniper - hope you are doing well. I think I've had to pay previously because I was doing OI. Wow, the crinone will be included that's great I was factoring in $200 for that. :clap:
Trueblue - 7 days and counting. I hope the days fly past. It sounds like the will as you are busy.
Yogi - I agree, I try and break it all down to stages that I have to pass to get to the next. I also think stress is part and parcel of LT TTC, unfortunately. Hurry up AF!
Minime - congratulations on having such a great blastie. 50% chance is great. That's so much more than a woman doing it the natural way. Hopefully this will be it for you!!
Loops - GL as you head towards testing.
Kaybee - I know what you mean about wanting to give anything a go. I've tried so many different things before getting to IVF. I've changed shampoo, stopped painting my nails, tried a feng shui clean, acupuncture and a naturopath. The naturopath gave me a lot of advice like eat more greens, and egg almost everyday, add fruit to my diet (I'm vegetarian and I also dont really like fruit), oh and heaps more suggestions. The main thing these days is really to touch base and let her know where I'm up to and to pick up more pills. She changed my tonic now that I'm on IVF and gave me an extra tablet. She's nice to talk to and a really lovely person. In relation to other tests, I basically demanded tests all up front. I researched them and told my FS what I want to be tested for. My FS was agreeable but felt they were unnecessary. I'm glad I did them even though they were all negative, at least I have some peace of mind.
Lairdoz - sorry hun, I don't know the procedure for FETs as yet. GL I'm sure it will all work out.
Nicole - welcome and GL with your journey.
Justina - :hug: sorry to hear about the BFN...not fair! I agree the herbal tonics are horrid. I slug mine back in minimal water so it just one mouthful to skull.
AFM: Just about to watch my Gonal DVD and do the injection. I'm transferring from puregon so not too stressed about the injection.
Justina - So sorry to hear about your BFN, it never gets any easier does it. I always give myself a consolation bottle of wine & lots of chocolate, I find a glass just won't cut it! I done acupuncture with my last cycle but I'm not bothering this time around due to costs. Also, I did find some of the insertion of the needles quite painful & uncomfy didn't find it relaxing at all.
Minime - Fingers crossed for you
Lairdoz - I always find with my clinic for a FET the transfer takes place 6 days after trigger
Yogi- Why does AF never behave itself & always does the opposite of what you want her to do!!
Loops - How amazing would it be to get a natural BFP, fingers & toes crossed for you
AFM Had my first follicle scan today. Bit dissapointed seems I'm on go slow. I only have one egg that is at 1.5 & all the rest are still only at 1.0. I do remember last time that I was slow to start but then seemed to catch up so not going to stress about it & will just wait & see. I'm guessing I'll have my next scan on Tuesday but the clinic will call me tomorrow to confirm. I'm also very frustrated as my clinic opened a little 'subclinic' literally less than five minutes drive away where I could go for my blood tests and scans but when I went in today the manager informed me that tomorrow is their last day of operation & I'll have to go back to travelling up to the city!!! The lady that runs it is moving to Thailand & they have no one else to run it. Dam it, back to leaving at 05:40 to drive to the city so I can beat the rush hour.
Also quick question, whilst everyone is on the drugs do you do anything different?? We're staying with friends on the weekend & we usually have quite a few wines. I've always still had a glass whilst i'm doing the drugs but because I had such poor egg quality last time not sure if I should or not. Has anybody heard of having a drink effecting the quality of your eggs???
Thanks girls
Hi Ladies
Thanks once again for your wishes. Unfortunately I couldnt resist - I think im a serial POAS'er now LOL. It was BFN - 10 dpo approx so maybe a bit early. I'll wait until AF due now and see what happens. Wont spend anymore money on HPT's until AF is late. Im still feeling weird and have had a lot of extra mc - so not giving up just yet for this cycle.
Kaybee ~ thanks heaps! GL and :crossfingers: Are you nearly at BT or just starting the cycle?
Lairdoz ~ Sorry Ive never had a FET but im sure your docs know what's best - try not too stress I guess and GL hun, :crossfingers: everything goes to plan.
Dreams into Reality ~ Hi and :welcome: This is a great thread to be in, all of the ladies are so supportive and friendly. GL for your upcoming IVF, hope it comes round quick.
Littlemiss ~ Hoping those follies get better for you - sounds like they will and just need a bit of time. All the best hun, GL. I also would like to know if there is anything out there to say we shouldnt or can drink whilst on hormone injections, ive quite often wondered the same thing.
Justina ~ So sorry about your BFN - big hugs hun. Glad you can have another try so soon. You'll get there.
Lisa B ~ Good luck with the jabbing, you'll find it easy after a few. All the best for the cycle!
Hi Ladies
lairdoz I think your clinic is right ovulation day is coounted as zero. Don't stress they know what they are doing I too have been confused in the past
Kaybee what an amazing story fancy being pregnant and not knowing it I'm thinking quite a few of us in here would love to be in that position
Loops good luck and I pray AF stays away and all the weird things you have been feeling are you little one snuggling in for the next nine months
Justina so sorry this wasn't your month glad to hear that you already have a plan and are moving forward. Just remember though to take some time for yourself and let all your emotions out before you start
LMM I don't think a drink on the weekend will harm your eggs remeber they take months to form and then get to this stage so a drink now want make any difference and plus my acupunturist said that its ok to have the occasional drink in moderation if it makes you feel better. We cant deprive ourselves of everything
AFM had another scan this morning and am doing a trigger tonight. My FS doesn't want to wait for natural ovualtion as last month it took ages and she feels that may have contributed to my negative result. I have my FET scheduled for Tuesday doing some more acupunture tomorrow and then I'll be on asprin and pressaries after transfer. Feeling good about this one DH gets to come for once so maybe everything is finally aligning for me
Loops: aw hun hugs but loike I said it aint over till the fat af sings... lol
Terry: Goodluck with your trigger
AFM: Have been having some weird twinges on my right hand side of the tummy am hoping it's our bundle burying down for 9 months yesterday was milking and I went to go put a set of cups on and I all of a sudden felt like someone had piched me really hard on my right hand side down near uterus and also on my left nipple at the same time it hurt enough for me to drop the cups only lasted about 2 minutes
This morning dh came in and he'd washed his hands with an orange hand wash and it was too strong to be near him!!! Also I have been eating like a horse but am only able to eat small amopunts at a time and I have had to stop having coffee as yesterday monring I almost vomited in the cow shed and felt yuck had been happening for a few days felt alot better this morning am soooo hoping all these signs are good 6 days away seems too far
Hi everyone,
I'd love to know what tests I should be asking for as I had my appointment with the IVF clinic on Thursday and told the nurse I think I should have more tests done (I've only ever had the STD, rubella and hormone level blood tests - no internal tests etc). Anyway the nurse told me that the Doctor has reviewed my case and he doesn't think I need to worry about any other tests yet - but the problem is that I can't afford to try again after this next attempt and I'm not sure I want to waste my money trying now if my chance of success is going to be no different to last time.
Apparently he has me down for an antagonist cycle this time... so when I get my next period (this one just finished last weekend) I will start on the pill for 3 weeks and then after that pill period I will start on injections (no synarel this time). She told me that Synarel can reduce egg quality... any one else heard of this?
I was told they won't increase my dose of gonal-F as I had a good number of follicles and eggs last time (12 eggs) but only 3 fertilized and only 1 developed. Apparently they believe this is due to my egg quality! So I'm not sure that it is worth wasting more money... I don't understand if I have poor egg quality (I'm only 36) then isn't it only going to get worse with age? So maybe I should give up now before I'm completely broke.
I find my clinic extremely frustrating as they don't want to answer any questions. They just say "The doctor has reviewed your case and this is what he has written" or "Well he has reviewed your file and he hasn't requested any tests" or "The doctor would have written in your file if he felt it would help"! I've only ever seen the "Doctor" twice in 22 months of going to the clinic. Seems like he (as the owner of the clinic) is raking in a ton of money and hardly doing any work for it.
On top of all this I turn 37 this month and last year I had vowed to stop trying by the end of last year and then when I decided to keep trying early this year I had vowed I would stop before my birthday. So I'm feeling very frustrated and lost and just don't know whether to quit, sell my farm and hit the road and live the sort of lifestyle I wouldn't have been able to have with a baby (so atleast maybe I won't feel so bad about failing).
Then last night I got a text message from my brother's wife to say she is pregnant (due in august). She said in her message they decided not to tell anyone until they were sure it would be okay as they lost a baby at 22 weeks gestation a few years ago. I know how much that loss hurt them but I just felt so angry reading her message as they already have 6 kids and they are both on welfare. they both smoke heaps of pot and when the youngest two were babies she didn't even look after them... nighttime feeds were left up to my brother and the daytime looking after was done by the older children. I remember visiting one time and the 4 year old was left to give the baby it's bottle while the mum smoked a bong in the "smoke room". It just seems so unfair that they can keep spitting out kids and they don't even properly look after the ones they have! I guess I just have to hope that mabye having lost the other baby might make them appreciate this one more. But I can't be happy for them and I don't think I could cope with seeing her pregnant (certainly not at the moment). I saw her a few weeks ago and now reflecting back she looked like she had put on some weight but I didn't realise she was pregnant. Apparently now it is becoming obvious so that is another reason they have decided to start telling people. She invited us to attend the youngest birthday party in a couple of weeks but I can't go... I just won't be able to act happy and excited for them because I'm not.
I realise my parents must have known for ages and I feel weird about that too... they knew and would have heard me ***** about how unfair it is that my sister in law has spat out so many kids and doesn't look after them and here she was pregnant again and my parents just bit their tongue. I guess it would have been very hard for mum and dad because they knew I was going through IVF.
Sorry everyone... just had to share with someone and I knew you would probably be able to relate to how I'm feeling.
Lori
DD (13)
Started donor search Dec 06, Started donor insemination Jan 09, Started IVF Feb 10. 1st cycle - chem preg - BFN.
Lori, I have read that the antagonist protocol is supposed to produce the best egg quality, so if that is your issue, hopefully this will give you the best chance possible. If you want to push the testing issue, can you just be blunt and tell them that this is the last one you can afford so you don't want to find out there was an undiagnosed problem after it - you need to know now. I'm still really ticked off that we did 4 IVF with our old Dr who refused to check if I had endometriosis (even though I have lots of classic symptoms) and I'm sure that was the reason none of them succeeded.
Sending lots of sticky vibes to those of you suffering through the 2ww!
Thanks Ladies :-)
Lori - Im doing antagonist cycle next time too. Hopefully as they say it is the best for producing eggies. Each time with down reg I only got 7 eggs and none to freeze so thats why they have decided to try this with me. GL with it all hun, thinking of you!
LMM - 5.40 is so early to leave you poor thing. I'm not going to worry about the odd glass of wine. I figure if it was really that detrimental my FS would have said something. I do know that feeling of just trying to do something different to get a little edge on fertility. GL with scan on Tuesday.
Loops - :crossfingers:for a BFP in a few days.
Terry - :goodluck: Hope its your month. Your FS seems to be on the ball.
Truebule: :crossfingers:your symptoms all sound positive, hopefully a BFP in a few days.
Lori - if you want more tests you should definitely push for them. You do need to pay for some tests but if you think about the cost of IVF both financial and emotional I think it's worth it. I decided to have them all up front as I didn't want to get several cycles down the track and discover something was preventing a pregnancy. I see my FS regularly as she does all my scans etc. I don't think I'd like having a FS who just saw me periodically. I hadn't heard that about syneral, now I'm a bit worried as I'm on it right now. 36/37 is still okay with IVF - according to my FS. She said it got really tricky after 40, and you therefore are still in the running. It must be a difficult decision trying to decide at what point to stop trying. It's not fair that some people seem to be super fertile and others really struggle. I do feel for you and I would also find it difficult to cope.
AFM: the gonal needle is a bit harder to use than the puregon, the plunger is a bit stiff. EPU (providing all goes well) is around the long weekend. How uncomfortable/painful is it when you wake up from EPU? When I woke up from my lap. I was in considerable pain I think it was the dye test part or the endometrial biopsy part which caused the pain. I don't want to feel like that again.
Hey Ladies,
No Justina, that's just not fair. You are inspiring in how positive you are being about it all though. You seem determined to not let that crappy bfn get in your way. Hope your herbs and acu get everything working perfectly for this next cycle.
Loops - like everyone else has said, it might still be too early to know. Guess it's better to not get hopes up for any longer than necessary though. I won't uncross everything just yet
Trueblue - not long to go and all sounding VERY promising!
Terry - Looks like it could be your month! It feels so much more, I dunno, 'right' when DH can be there for ET. Can I ask what you have to take the aspirin for after ET?
LMM - how frustrating that they've closed your subclinic - couldn't they just wait till you finish this cycle and get your BFN? I don't know for sure on the drinking thing, but surely if everyone else can drink, smoke, etc, etc and have healthy eggs and pregnancies then I would think it'd be fine.
Lori - sounds like you are pretty low right now. My brother's wife is also pregnant and due the exact same week I was due (before mc a couple of months ago). I feel really awful but I don't want to see them and we have all these family do's coming up. Everyone keeps saying to me 'wow you must be so happy you're going to be an aunty again'. I don't know the 'right' way to deal with these feelings but I know they are my feelings and they're real and if I ignore them they'll get worse. So far whenever I've seen them I've managed to get through somehow, but have spent the next day/night crying. So, I'm feeling your pain mate! Your FS sounds a bit like mine (no, mine's not that bad) but whenever I have an appointment he's just really chirpy and tells me to be positive - I don't have a problem with that advice, and despite how I may sound on here, I am fairly positive - it's just that from him I want answers and explanations (or at least tests) and if I need cheering up I'll talk to a friend/DH/a counseller or BB friends!
God I ramble on and haven't even gotten to me - nothing much happening with me yet - only taking one estradiol pill each night until scan next week to look at my hopefully lovely thick endometrium. ;) Don't think my first acupuncture did its job at relaxing me - I came home and had an argument with DH straight away - hmmm, not a good start :doh:
Lori - My FS also thought I had a problem with egg quality as last cycle we got the best number of eggs ever (13) but of those only 3 made it to blasty stage & they weren't very highly graded. This cycle i'm taking an additional drug to improve the egg quality called 'Luveris'. You mix it up a bit like the pregnyl then inject into your tummy. Apparently it's not that widely used in Aus as it's really expensive but my clinic had been give some 'freebies' from the drug company which they gave to me. So hopefully it does the job! Have you tried making another appt with your FS? As it's not the nurses that make the decision as to what to test for it may be best to have another face to face with your doctor.
LisaB - you tend to feel more uncomfy rather than in 'pain' after the pick up. I've also had a lap done which was sooooo painful & thank god the egg pick up is nothing like that so try not to stress too mcuh!
Trueblue - only another week to go good luck!
Loops - Lets hope you just tested too early
AFM the clinic phoned today to ask to go in on Monday for a BT & scan. To be honest i assumed it would be Tue as I know they don't usually do U/S on a public holiday but I guess they are! Good for me though as I won't have to get up as early because there will be no peak hour traffic yay!! I done step aerobics today & could really feel my ovaries bouncing around so hopefully my little eggys are growing in there! Thanks also on the advice regarding the wine I will be partaking in a glass or two over the weekend.
Hi Ladies,
Sorry to jump in here. I'm usually just lurking in this thread these days, but I thought I should add my two cents on a few issues you guys have been talking about:
1) not to put a damper on things, but my FS and the nurses at my clinic all advised me not to drink alcohol at all while TTC. They said it could lower the chance of the cycle being successful. During my cycle, I also took a few fertility books out of the library and all of them mentioned studies showing that fertility rates are higher among women who are not drinking at all while TTC than among women who are having even the occasional glass of wine. I'm not sure exactly why that is but imagine that the wine must indeed have the potential to affect egg quality. Trust me, I love to have a glass (or a bottle -eek!) of wine as much as the next person, so I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but wanted to share since I know most of you are trying to do everything possible to maximize your chances of success, and if this helps any of you get your BFP quicker, then it's worth my taking the time to post this.
2)littlemissmoo - just wanted to warn you that as you progress in the stimming, be careful about the step aerobics b/c as your ovaries get bigger, if you bounce around too much you run the risk of ovarian torsion, where the fallopian tubes twist. It's apparently rare but potentially very serious, and could cause you to lose the fallopian tube. (That's why, ladies, if you have serious pain "down there" after vigorous exercise while stimming, you should get checked by your FS or emergency room immediately.) Apparently (according to what I've read) the theory is that our ovaries are suspended in our bodies similar to the way a man's testicles are suspended in their balls (sorry for the graphic image!), and when they get larger and heavier than normal, that delicate suspension can be affected. Normally, the ovaries only contain one or occasionally 2 large follicles, so lots of jumping movement is not likely to cause any harm. But when we're stimming and having multiple large follies inside our ovaries, the ovaries get much larger and heavier and can move around in ways they're not supposed too, which can lead to the twisted tubes. So my FS and clinic warned me to cut back on exercise involving lots of bouncing (aerobics, running, etc) as we got closer to EPU. Also, the ovaries can stay swollen for 1-2 weeks after EPU (this sounds like it's related to same reason why OHSS can take that long to develop), so I was warned that that was another reason to be careful after EPU, although after ET you need to be careful anyway since you are not supposed to overheat the embie that has been transferred.
Hope this info is useful to some of you and good luck with your cycles!
KitKat72xx
Loops - sorry the HPT was neg. Hopefully it was just too early and your BFP is coming.
Justina - so sorry for you BFN - they suck.
Terry - GL with your FET on Tues.
True blue - those twinges and sense of smell etc sound like really good signs!!
Lori - just wanted to say be proactive about your tests. It's your body and your money. The last thing you want is to look back and think I should have asked for this or that.
LMM - hope your scan shows lots of good little follies.
Just my two cents worth on the wine - I've done both. I've been super, super healthy and I've done cycles where I've had a few wines throughout and for me the outcomes have been the same. My way of thinking is everything in moderation. I also know a friend whose, clinic, after transfer gives them a valium and a glass of bubbles. So who knows??
AFM - I am booked for my next FET Friday 11 June. Will be transferring two blasts - bring on lucky number 10!!
Cheers Trea
Loops12: Thank you!
Also wishing you luck with TTC, never give up, remember there is always hope in there some where :)
Terry: Good luck with the FET on Tuesday, I wish you all the best with and will be sending positive thoughts your way :)
TrueBlue: :crossfingers: it is a good sign of something good to come :)
Lori: I think if you feel they are not doing enough tests, you should push for more. Is it possible to go to another clinic and see another doctor?
Wishing you heaps of good luck and I hope it all works out for you! :)
Kaybee: Hoping your scan next week shows a thick endometrium. Realy hoping it goes well for you. :)
Littlemiss: Good luck with your scan and BT. Here's hoping it brings some great results :)
Trea: Lots of positive vibes are getting sent your way for your FET! :crossfingers: this is THE ONE!!