and Mildez, sorry your having a hard time, she sounds awful! Its hard enough being around and hearing about pregnant ppl, let alone having a nasty one that rubs it in your face!! Really feeling for you xx
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and Mildez, sorry your having a hard time, she sounds awful! Its hard enough being around and hearing about pregnant ppl, let alone having a nasty one that rubs it in your face!! Really feeling for you xx
It sounds like your DH is doing all the right things. Perhaps he neds another test or two 3months from the last one to see if the results are the same or different. I haven't heard of any been the same there is usually quite a variation in each results. The Dr told me that some jobs are bad for the swimmers like driding alot as your sitting on the testes which over heats them. Maybe loose boxers, undies and not so hot showers and baths. Just a thought don't know if there are any evidence behind it. My DH is lowish with reduced motility and he has alot of hot showers. Ive often wondered the damage that could do to them.
T-hopes, I don't know much about the sperm side of things (am waiting to get the full pathology from DHs last test to take to my TCM practitioner to get her opinion) but did your DH abstain for a few days before the test? That's all I can think of. In IVF they always ask you to wait a few days so you get a good sample. Sorry I can't be more help. Ferrals did mention a new tonic/vitamin for men but I can't remember the name of it (Ferrals, do you remember mentioning it - I'd like to get DH onto it if you can recall the name) - my DH is on Menevit too but I've just noticed the bottle in the cupboard and he's away all this week...grrrr
Thanks Alice - yeah I think there is a new one called Sperm Max?? Going to see my TCM doc too and she will start him on herbs! And yeah he abstained for 4 days prior... so frustrating! Its one thing after another! Thank god I have you ladies that understand, i would go insane without you! xx
I really really appreciate your advice xx
Hi T-Hopes
My DH was on 2x zinc tablet, sml handful of goji berries, 1x folic acid tablet, 20ml aloe vera juice (which apparently tastes like cr@p) & 10x pumpkin seeds a day. He would take them at night time and then have dinner. Perhaps try that? But in saying that his SA was fine when the Gyn asked for a sample. This mix is a standard thing our IVF Dr asks his patients to be on.
He's still on the aloe vera juice, goji berries & pumpkin seeds but my MIL consulted with a naturapath and bought us a whole heap if different pills and powders so I'm not 100% sure what he's on now. i know that the zinc and folic acid are in these potions so he hasn't subtracted them he's just added more to his list and mine! Gotta love the inlaws.
hi everyone murraycod-best wishes for tuesday,is dh able to go with you?..t-hopes-welcome to the new thread,a fs told me most sperm samples show that 90/95 % of sperm are in his words crap,but still have a chance because you only need one...alice- lots of hugs,interesting about antibiotics,as i have blocked tubes,maybe i should have asked for them last transfer...possums-welcome to the the thread,hope you don't have too wait to much longer to see those 2 lines again...craftymummy-thinking about how your app going..sunbeam-congratulations,showing that early on a hpt has to be a good sign i think...saffy-step by step....happybaby-hope af stays away...mildez-hugs...
MatthewsMum - is the transfer today?? Was it Thursday? Yes, antibiotics REALLY good - the TCM practitioner I'm seeing thinks it is the reason I fell pg finally the last time - not the DHEA at all! Apparently some SIVF docs have made it part of their protocol FOR OVER A DECADE - for women with blocked tubes so a bit frustrating to be learning about it now but good that we have. MurryCod was on Doxic antibiotic from Day 2- Day 12 of her cycle so fingers crossed for you this time. Let us know how you went (unless I have the day wrong! in which case, good luck!!) x
alice-transfer is on saturday,thanks for the info & well wishes.Did you get your phone call?
Yes, but I lied and said I was on my way out and could I call Monday. I'm such a grown-up...not!! :hide:
good one alice!! don't feel bad, i would do the same then take phones off hooks/ switch off mobiles etc hehe
Thanks Saffy :)
Crafty...you should be home soon...how'd it go??
T-Hopes- its actually normal for most of mens sperm to be abnormal my DH has 95% abnormal sperm and my old FS said that is fine between 2 and 6 normal forms is considered normal at SIVF on there scale but my new FS said she would like to see 9-15% normal morphology the thing that they also look for is sperm count and motility my DH had 477 million total count and 117 million per mil then after they did the wash test his count was 57 million ( if i remembered right i am going from memory) his motility is excellent something like 87% and after 1 hour and wash test it was still about 60%-70% motility so they said the amount DH has and the motility makes up for the lower morphology.
Your DH having 92% abnormal leaves 8% normal which is normal from SIVF standards it depends on the total count after wash and the motility if your DH is considered ok or not if his count was 62 million total count well thats not real bad either the FS like to see anything above 20 million per mil.
What mildez said is based on the WHO criteria which states 15% or above to be normal but sydney IVF lab use a grading system that gives you a score and between 2% and 6% and in their lab it is considered normal my DH was 4% right in the middle.
Where westmead IVF use a different grading system and they consider 15% or above normal so if your doctor is not worried then don't be mine told me the amout DH has and his motility we should have no problems getting pregnant but yet here we are still trying so i don't know what to believe
I have put my DH on SPERM MAX ( alice for you also) to see if that helps but to be honest my new FS wasnt even fussed to get DH tested again she isn't worried said we had great fertilisation results before and we fell pregnant before with Abbi so not to worry about it.
And my Naturopath Catherine Chan (famous for getting older ladies pregnant and been on TV) was not worried with DH results was more concerned with DNA damage from our fragmented embryos due to DNA in the sperm so i am at a loss who to believe.
Alice/mathewsmum-I have read somewhere that women with blocked tubes have trouble with embryos sticking because the blocked tubes can secreat a fluid into the uterus that can prevent embryos sticking have you heard that?
Alice-I would have done the same i shop in a different suburb so i don't run into my horrible step SIL and her baby that i still havn't seen he is 8 months old now and i have absolutely no desire to do so.
So i decided to do what is best for me and the best way for me to cope is avoidance.
Crafty-how did you go?
AFM-5 days until AF due so getting excited to finally start this IVF god i hope i make it onto the june list but knowing the luck i have had with this whole ttc nightmare i won't get to start until july i hope this time i get to have a little luck on my side surely it has to change sooner or later when i look back on the last 15 months we have not had one thing go our way.
I brought a 3pkt of 1st response hpt today so if AF doesn't turn up tuesday i will test then but i am 99% sure its a lost cause my body has failed me again at least i can bet money on the fact that i can have as much unpretected sex as i want and not fall pregnant
Ferrals, thanks for that info, it is really helpful, especially as I am getting DHs full pathology posted to me from our FS (you got me motivated to do this when you got all your papers from SIVF). And just to add a note to your comments, my TCM practitioner says the only trustworthy place to have sperm analysed in Sydney is through SIVF so I'd be going with whatever they say 'cause they are they have the best technology apparently and their results are the most reliable.
Yes, I have heard about that and have also heard that some FSs operate to take away the remaining blocked tube to ensure this doesn't happen. My TCM practitioner says it is the main thing stopping me falling pg which is why she strongly recommends antibiotics and is giving me heaps of herbs to try and dry out the tube. The fluid you are referring to Ferrals is from having a hypersalpinx (or something like that) and it's when the blocked tube fills with fluid and is released during your cycle. It was because of that symptom (I would get an unexpected rush of water/fluid in the middle of my cycle) that I kept going back to my GP to tell her something was wrong. Well she thought I was being an anxious TTCer and said it was nothing - turns out it was the sign of hypersalpinx and the reason we couldn't fall pg (the tube basically blocked then turned itself inside out due to the amount of fluid in there). I had it removed with my endo operation but he was reluctant to take out the other blocked tube for obvious reasons but maybe it's better out. Sorry for the ramble.
Yah, 5 days - hope you get on that list! You deserve a break Ferrals, I know you're probably sick of reading that but you do and i hope it's getting onto that list. Fingers crossed. And if not, then I hope it's getting UTD next cycle.:hug:
Sunbeam- wonderful news!! I know that wonderful feeling of just staring at those two lines!
to everyone else, thanks so much for the warm welcome. You are a lovely group. The year long break was hard, but I was so ill at first I knew it was for the best. I hated it at the start and was depressed, but looking back I can see that the break did me good, and not just physically- I had just had so much loss and issues and the break made me regain a life outside TTC and gave me time to heal emotionally and regroup somewhat (as best you can when you still long for a baby).
I will need clexane injections when I am pregnant again, and will be considered high risk with constant monitoring. First hurdle is to get there...my remaining tube is evidently in bad shape, which is why we were sent to IVF in the first place, but it has worked once before, so you never know!
Crafty-Come on girl we are waiting hurry up and feed those kiddies and get on line.
Possums-I know what you mean about being high risk and need constant monitoring as soon as we get our BFP i need to ring westmead hospital head genetisist and let them know so they can organise the genetic testing then i need to ring royal north shore fetal medicine unit to organise with the professor to have an early dating scan as it is very important that i get my dates exactly on the dot then they book me in for a cvs at 11-12 weeks and i have to wait a week for the results to see if bub is affected with SLO if it comes back negative i still have to be monitored as the cvs is not 100% it is pretty close but sometimes the test for faulty genes fails to detect it unlikely but possible so after an early morphology scan at 16 weeks we should be all clear and hopefully i wont have to have an amnio that hurt's.
So i know the feeling of a pregnancy being more of a medical condition rather than an enjoyable condition.
I hope the 12 month break has done you good and you get your healthy bub soon.
oh dear :( Crafty, I hope it wasn't bad news and hope you've just had a super busy night with your little ones. Thinking of you x
No Crafty Yet?
Alice- thats interesting about the hydrosalpinx, I haven't heard of that before. You and your Dh sound like you are very disciplined with diets etc so hopefully that and the antibiotics will do the trick! xx
Ferals- hope you get onto the June list, or even better get a bfp first! xx
sunbeam- hope everything is feeling good with you xx
Crafty- hope all went well xx
afm- visited a friend w a new baby yesterday which was fine but as I was leaving she started asking me about ivf and offering 'advice' ( this is a friend who gets UTD veeeery easily) so by the time I ran out the door and got to my car I was crying and bawled my eyes out all the way to the blood test I was going to,grrrr so annoyed with myself and don't even know why I got upset.
Off to work in a minute, hope everyone has a great weekend! xx