TTC & Taking Clomid &/or Metformin ~ December 06

Ok, I think I'm just coming down off the buzz of getting the specialist appointment so soon.

You know how you can have a conversation one day, and then several days later something in that conversation jumps up and grabs you? I think I've got a case of that going on after discussing the arthritis meds I take with a couple of lovely ladies at the Belly Belly dinner on Saturday night.

I'll try to make this as brief as possible... basically, I keep coming back to the point where I doubt the PCOS diagnosis. Sure, I have PCO, and since coming off the pill, I've not had a cycle shorter than 43 days and the average cycle length has been 67 days... 5 cycles all year, and only one that shows ovulation. Yet... I'm not overweight, I don't have huge hair problems, I've never had acne in my life, my hormone levels are almost normal... and yet, I haven't responded to metformin and I haven't responded to clomid. I really wonder whether there is something else that is coming in to play here, but it has been ignored.

And then there's the second problem. I have a weird arthritis condition which nobody seems to be able to identify. When pressed for a name my rheumatologist starts talking along the lines of serum-negative rheumatoid polyarthritis, then a few other terms which I can't remember but he tells me describes the fact that it can hit all joints anywhere in my body, does not damage them and responds badly to changes in the weather. I've been tested for so many different things here that I have lost track of them all! The one thing my blood tests do tend to show is dodgy liver function (elevated AST and ALT, all others normal - and I'm really hoping I'm remembering the right combinations of letters here!), and an elevated ESR. Basically, my blood tests show that there is something happening in my body that is an inflammatory process... an auto-immune condition that is as yet unidentified. It was initially triggered by what was though to be Barmah Forest Virus (similar to Ross River Fever) back in 1997-1998. A recurrence of that virus in 2001 lead to major problems for me - eventually chronic fatigue syndrome, and when a change of doctor brought up the fact that my energy levels were back to almost normal, but I still had all the pain and swelling in my joints I was sent to a rheumy and we have the current weird arthritis type thing.

So... I'm in a state now, where my rheumy tells me that the medications I'm taking won't effect conception, and are safe in pregnancy and it's just not an issue... but I've encountered someone else with a similar weird arthritisy type condition using the same medication where it was believed to have played some part in preventing conception. The thing that terrifies me is that nobody can tell me what this thing is, or what causes it, or what effect it may have on me or my child during pregnancy.

Maybe the problem is that I've been reading too much of Deb's research... what sparked my interest there was the mention of prednisone - which I had used at one point to treat the arthritis... I'm positively petrified that this unknown condition of mine and the alleged PCOS and it's accompanying increased risk of miscarriage is going to cause me to lose any baby that I do conceive, when conception in the first place seems so damned impossible! I don't want to have to go through expensive IVF to end up losing my babies! I don't want to lose my babies no matter what, but just the thought of potentially needing to go to such lengths to conceive in the first place and then to face such an unknown is really quite frightening!

I suspect that nobody can really answer the questions I have... but these have been quiet fears that have run around at the back of my mind, and knowing now that the fertility specialist appointment is so close is making me need to get those thoughts out there, as these are questions that I'll have to ask at some point in time. I know that a lot of the blood tests my rheumy has done to try to find out what this thing is also appear on the list of investigative blood tests for recurrent miscarriage, and I should probably draw some comfort from the fact that I already know they are clear... but there's just so many unknowns here!

Sorry for the mammoth post, everyone... this has really been more for my benefit. Needing to get it out there so that I can hopefully sleep for the next few nights before the appointment... Scary times ahead...

BW

BW - I have sent you an email

BW - That is wonderful news that you have your appointment so soon. Good luck.

Pollyanna- Glad to see that everything is fine that is fantastic.

Well temp is right down this morning so I expect AF to be here either today or tomorrow :crying: I will head into my FS again today to pick up a new cartridge of Puregon and start my injections again. I just feel so guilty and hopeless that I can't get pregnant. They have me ovulating, DH sperm is fine, my tubes are all clear and we do an IUI so the sperm is already up in my uterus and still I can't get pg??????

I suppose girls that it is my time to leave this forum as I am no longer taking Clomid/Metformin. God I am going to start to cry... I just want to say that it has been so helpful to have you girls here to support me when I really needed it. You are all such caring and loving woman and I appreciate you help. I am praying that each and everyone of you gets your miracle because you all deserve to have that wonderful blessing in your life. I will come back to check how you are all going but all take care of each other.

Love to all xxxx

Hi! Can I join you guys? I've been TTC since March 2006. Started on clomid in August. 1st cycle -- 50 mg. No O. 2nd & 3rd cycles 100 mg. O, but scary side effects including blurry vision. I'm on my 4th cycle, 50 mg, no side effects and I O'd! Which I'm thankful for. Right now, I'm 8 dpo, and going completely nutso. I am a crazy person during the 2ww. It's hard for me not to feel depressed.

Last week, one of my friends called me to tell me she is 7 weeks pregnant. I was happy for her, but called another friend an hour later to complain a little (why not me too sort of thing), and before I could say anything, she told me she was pregnant too! She wasn't even trying! That day was difficult for me. I seriously am happy for them, but still find myself avoiding their phone calls.

Anyway, you guys seem like a really warm supportive bunch, so I'd be happy if you let me join you guys as I try to last through the 2 ww!

Thanks for your email, Michelle. I have replied with equal ramblingness but I've had some error and it doesn't seem to want to send. If it didn't go through I'll try again to send it this afternoon.

My previous post was all the fears that I've been ignoring and my doctors have previously brushed off all bubbling up to the surface. There's no way now that I can ignore them. I've read too much, I've seen too much, and I've had too much contact with things going wrong to believe that it's just not going to be a problem. I will be asking the questions, I will be pushing my doctors and I'll no longer be taking the advice of relax and don't worry. Because quite simply I am worried! And that worry isn't going to go away until we know for sure.

Ktgirl, I'm sorry that this last clomid cycle hasn't worked. I hope that the injections will do the trick for you, and even if you no longer feel at home here I do hope you will check in on us from the other assisted conception thread.

Emmydee, it's so painful when everyone around you falls pregnant so easily. We are glad to have you here with us, and you can rest assured that we all know how you are feeling right now. Your story gives me hope! I didn't ovulate on my first 50mg clomid cycle. I'm yet to try another as I had a few problems with anxiety during the cycle (yes, to all the old timers here, I have a gift for understatement!), but you give me hope that 100mg may do the trick, or even perhaps another go at the 50mg. Welcome once again.

BW

BW :hugs: I just wanted to say that the fear of losing your bub after such a long haul TTC is completely natural. From what I gather, it's a natural fear to start with but then when you add to it the anguish that it takes for LT TTCers to get there it can only be harder. I was terrified that after taking over 2yrs to conceive Zander that we would lose him then have another 2yr battle to conceive another bub. It is scary I know, but all we can do is hope & pray that when we finally do get pregnant that everything will turn out well. This is also the reason we started the Pregnancy after LT TTC threads as no-one quite understands how extreme this fear can be for us other than those that have been there as well.

Ok so aside from that.... You've already taken positive action on the FS department. You said in the other thread that he will re-do all the tests you have already done right? So maybe he'll find what's going on & change the PCOS diagnosis.... As for the arthritis thing, not sure about that at all. Check with your new Dr about the medications, see what he thinks. Afterall you said that the current one was a bit silly. I know you can't come off the meds for that, but maybe there is some alternative? Different accupuncture, physio? Something maybe?

Good Morning

BW That's great news about seeing your new fs so soon. I hope he is able to give you all the answers you need hun. I pray that you have a successful 2007. It is great that you have all your questions ready too. I'm one of those people who have questions and when I get to drs forget to ask half of them, so I have to write them down so I remember lol.

Ktgirl I'm so sorry that you don't think that this cycle was a success sweet. Remember that its not over until the fat lady sings. If you do move onto another thread PLEASE don't forget to come back to visit as I know that your support and encouragement has helped me get through some of the worst days I've had. So THANKYOU so very very much. I wish you all the very best in the future hun;)

Pollyanna I'm so glad that everything is ok with you. Good luck to you this cycle and am praying that you get a bfp soon. I am starting my clomid again today and will have my b/t on the 27th too so I will be thinking of you that day.

Walking Art and Emmydee Welcome to you both. I hope you have successful cycles soon.

BeiBei I hope the bd fest has paid off for you sweet. Wishing you all the best for the tww.

Willow I have to say your avatar looks fantastic. I hope the tww flies by and you get a little Christmas miracle.

Flowerchild Those follies sound great. Good luck with your scan on Friday.

Michelle How are you and "ALF" doing? I hope you are both great.

Angel Babies 3 How are you hun? Whats happening with you?

As for me I'm on cd 5 so need to start clomid today and have to have b/t done on the 27th as pathology will be closed Christmas Day(that will be my cd23) I hope it won't be too late to pick up if I O'd or not. Metformin is still making me feel ill but I know its for a good cause.
I hope you all have a great day.

Thanks, Sarah for making me feel not quite so crazy here!

It never really connected before, but I know that the acupuncture works for damping down the arthritis pain, and I know I'm going to keep that up, so if they do ask me to come off the arthritis meds, then I know that there is something that will help. It also seems from Deb's research that prednisone which has worked on the arthritis before could also be somewhat beneficial in preventing any auto-immune problems that I may encounter with pregnancy... so... even if I can't convince any obs to give it to me on the grounds of keeping a pregnancy, I will be able to convince my rheumy to give it to me in order to control the arthritis pains. I must sound absolutely dreadful - I always seem to be self-medicating, but this is what my rheumy has taught me to do!

I think this will be ok... it's just a matter of working through all the issues and finding answers to the worries that I have...

BW

BW, I agree with Sarah. I think all of these fears will be discussed with your new FS and you need to remember that he is a specialist in this field - if any of your fears have a basis, he will know. He will also know how to work around your meds, your other medical conditions etc.

I do know what you are saying about these fears bubbling below the surface. I had them too after my first lap. I just KNEW that something was wrong, something that clomid wasn't going to fix. A girl doesn't go from having friends and family crack jokes about not looking at her husband unless she wants to fall prg, to weird cycles, spotting and 6 months down the track no where near pregnant!

That is why I changed Drs. I just felt like my gyno was brushing my concerns aside and was missing the big picture. He did mention the possibility of blocked tubes etc but didn't do any investigations. He just wrote me another script for clomid and said "see you in 3 months". :evil: If hadn't trusted my own instincts and found Dr Sacks, I'd still be in that 3 months, killing myself for something that was never going to happen on it's own.

Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say is to trust your instincts, but don't take that to mean that your fears will be realised. It just means that you've taken the best step possible in going to see this FS.

And Sarah is right, we all have that fear of losing a baby. It is probably worse for me because I lost my last baby, so I know it CAN happen to me. It's not just something that happens to other people. I often think what if I go through all of this, IVF, the whole bit and then lose another baby? But we just need to pray that won't happen and continue forward. Otherwise we will never hold that baby in our arms.

Hope you are feeling better sweetie. :hugs:

Kt - I'm sorry things have turned for the worse this cycle. We'll be sorry to see you go - but I'll see you over in the other AC thread before too long! December will probably be my last cycle on clomid and then hopefully I'll be getting ready for IVF so I won't be hanging around here with these lovelies much longer myself. Take care and make sure you pop in and let us know how you're going. I really hope this next cycle does the magic!

Oh Ktgirl...I'm so sorry to hear about your temps...

I just wanted to say that you are an amazing woman...who in the short time I've got to know online, really made an impact on me.

I want to wish you the very very best in the new approach. Let's hope that you have immediate success.

I'll be keeping an eye out for you...much hugs...and all the very best to your DH and you...keep up hope...you deserve beautiful things.

Mako...all the best with the new cycle. Wishing you amazing things.

BW...so excited that your FS appointment is coming up soon. Wishing you all the best.

Flowerchild, Pollyanna, WIllow, Beibei, Angel Babies 3...all the best chickies.

Walking Art and Emmydee...welcome...these girls around you are amazing...I hope you find the support and care I did...

Just one other thing...
I realised the other day that this first cycle of clomid I had...I had at a very unusual time...days 9-13 not the typical 2-6 (just because our FS appointment was day 9 and I wanted to start straight away)...odd...

Take care all!

Wow, you ladies have such great stories.

BW - Thanks for the info. Good luck at your FS. Is this the first time you are seeing a FS or just changing to a different one?

Well i really dont know whats happening with me. This cycle seems to be going on forever and instead of my temps coming down they are going up. I wish AF would just hurry up and arrive.

Shoot my message didn't post. I'll try to repeat it...

Ktgirl -- I'm so sorry about your temp! I've been there (quite a few times), and felt so bad. I feel like my life is degenerating into being 100% about the TTC process, and I'm missing out on the rest of my life! Have to constantly remind myself to appreciate the good things I already have -- family, DH, and lovable dog.

BW -- did you only try clomid once? i think a lot of people, myself included, needed to up the dosage to get it to work. it's great you get to see your FS so soon!

Monnie -- congrats on your bfp!!! have you been getting any symptoms? I'm 8 dpo, but have no symptoms, so my hopes are dropping for this cycle...

Again, thanks to you all for letting me join. Practically all my friends are parents already or pregnant, and I don't feel like talking to them about the TTC process... My DH tries his best, but doesn't understand why I find the 2 ww so emotionally stressful...

Hi ladies. Thank you all for your kind words. It is not that I want to leave or don’t feel at home because there is no other place that I would want to be other than with you girls (ok I take that back I would like to be in belly buddies)
But correct me if I am wrong Mods but I didn’t think I would really be allowed to stay in here if I am not taking Clomid or metformin.

Monnie- You just bought tears to my eyes that was beautiful what you wrote. You too have touched me and given me so much support. It has been wonderful chatting with you. Now I promise to keep you updated with my news but I want updates with how your little miracle is going :hug:

Mako- Thank you sweetheart. I really am grateful for all of the support that you have given me. I really hope that this is your month and I will be checking up on you to see how you go. Take care of yourself. :hug:

Thanks again ladies xoxoxox

My mod hat is officially on to tell you Kate, that you can post wherever you like. If say for example someone wanted to post in 1-6 months and have been TTC for 6 years we don't care.

You post where you feel comfortable.

It's not up to me being a mod in this forum or any other mod to dictate where you can & can't post at all. We are here to make sure everyone abides by the rules & everything stays nice & friendly, why would we tell you to go somewhere else on the forum if this is where you feel most comfortable & where you want to be.

So haul your bum back in here, we're not letting you go anywhere, until you get your BFP of course ;)

And then we'd still want you to come in here!!!!
Well said Sarah!
Come on in KT Girl!!!! :hug:

Oh ok well I guess I am staying... well for as long as you guys will have me ;) Thanks for that Sarah I just thought that I would have to migrate to another forum but I would love to stay with all of these wonderful woman.

Also just want to say welcome Emmydee and WalkingArt. Good luck to the both of you.

Good. Now the world is back as it should be ;)

Hi Girls,
Good to hear form you all. Monnie i also noticed that i'm doing my first cycle on days 9-13(i think anyway). Unfortuantely we are gueesing because i was having a period fortnightly. I am still dreading the side effects just the same.

Mako: I noticed that you are getting tested on the same day as me so i guess just like me you'll be shagging on my birthday.lol. Maybe it proves lucky for us both. I was also meant to get jabbed on xmas day but boxing day is the closest.The best of luck i send to you...
Bw:I'm so sorry to hear of the mental anguish that you are going through at the moment it must be so very hard with all the what ifs. I hope that your new fs is very very capable and able to allay all your fears.
Emmydee: I know exactly how you feel. My best friend and her husband decided they'd try for another baby. so for 2 weeks they were at it, but then hubby changed his mind .. But wham bang. A few days later they discoverd she was already pregnant. Child number 6. Its hard sometimes.
Willow : delighted to hear your mum is well. Start Clomid tomorrow. i'm such a scaredy cat.OOOOOhhhhh
Walking art:We can hope and maybe it wont come at all if we all wish hard enough. its worth a try.
I hope that all of you other lovely girls arent having it too hard today.
Pauline

I'm feeling a lot more relaxed about it all today. I'm sorry for having to subject you all to my little brain explosions when everything gets too much for me. Often I use writing here as a substitute for a journal just to get things out of my head.

Right now I'm just sleepy... two more school days to go... I'm also hot, tired and slightly grumpy with DH for not closing up the house and keeping it cooler, but I'm slowly getting that out of my system.

I guess the important thing I got out of my little ramble is that I know there are a lot of questions I need to ask of my doctors. I'm also contemplating getting myself a consultation with Gavin Sacks who I have heard so much about in this area... It's a tricky situation as there's no way we can afford IVFA's fee structure, or be trekking into the city regularly for appointments so it would need to be a one-off, and I'm not sure that doctors really like doing that sort of thing...

BW

Butterfly,
I feel certain that DR S would be happy to do a one off. (he did with me)

There are a few things I would like to pop in an email to you - is that okay?

Deb, all emails, PMs and other assorted information gratefully received!

I'd like to think I'm over reacting to the situation, but there's that little niggle, the gut feeling that I'm not... it's something I just can't ignore, but I have no idea of which way to turn in order to start finding information for myself. I know I can no longer let my rheumy brush me off - next appointment, and I may just bring it forward I'll be pushing him to do the tests, biopsies and whatever else he can think of that might tell us once and for all what this is... and I'm not going to let the FS brush this off either... if he does, then I think I will definitely book myself into Dr S to see what he has to say about the matter. There's a plan forming here, and I need to write it out to get my thoughts straight.

It's weird how I'm happy to do another clomid cycle, or injections, but if it comes to IVF I want all the answers first...

BW

BW, as you probably know Dr S is my FS. As Deb said, I don't think he'd have any problems with seeing you for a one off consultation.

I am a bit confused though - what is it exactly that you are concerned about that you are hoping Dr S can help with??

I understand what you are saying about cost though. IVFA is quite expensive and I paid $300 for my first consultation :eek: - that included an ultrasound though so it would have been cheaper if not for that.

I work in the city so I see Dr S in the morning before I go to work so it works really well for us. When we proceed to IVF though, it means we'll have to travel a long distance for procedures (epu, transfers etc), most likely to Maroubra. I am hoping all my monitoring can be done at the Westmead clinic, but that is still a fair way for you to travel, especially as you work full time (I only work 2 days so it's not going to be an inconvenience for me).

I think the plan you have in mind, ie talking to your rheumy, then seeing Dr Knight is a good one. If you are unsatisfied after that point, I am sure Dr Sacks would be happy to discuss your concerns.

Willow, I have a weird form of arthritis which nobody can identify just yet. All that we do know is that it is some form of auto-immune condition. It could be a case of having done too much reading and freaking myself out, but there does seem to be a link between auto-immune conditions and difficulty sustaining a pregnancy. This on top of my PCOS and inability to actually ovulate and conceive and the increased risk of miscarriage that PCOS brings, I'm terrified any baby I do manage to conceive I will lose. I know Dr S is the immunology expert, and I'm hoping he may have some ideas for me.

I feel ever so slightly crazy for thinking this way when I've never been pregnant, let alone lost a baby! But with the experiences I've had contact with through friends and family, I've seen too much of how pregnancy may go wrong to be able to ignore this.

Huge thanks to Michelle for making me feel normal again with last night's email.

and an exciting thought for the morning... second last day of school today! When I arrive at school the hands drawn on the whiteboard for the countdown (they started out as mutant hands with an extra digit each to count from 12) will be down to one finger! And the FS appointment is one week from today! Woooo!

BW

Ahhh, OK. I figured that's what you meant but wasn't sure.

He certainly is the guru when it comes to immunology.

I don't think you're crazy at all for what it's worth. If there's something to know, it's better to know it now rather than later. Especially when you will have worked so hard to achieve a pregnancy.

Once we get the ivf ball rolling, I will be asking him myself if he thinks there is any cause to maybe do the standard m/c tests myself. I have had one healthy baby and lost one so I am not sure where that leaves me sometimes.

His work in immunology and m/c was another reason I chose him as my FS. Although I have 'only' had one m/c, I feel more comfortable working with a dr who is so experienced in this area.

Butterfly,
You are NOT crazy for thinking this.
There is an undeniable and definite link between autoimmune disorders and miscarriage.
You will seek out the right answers for YOUR condition because you won't leave a stone unturned. Good on you if I can help you know where I am! :hug:

BW - There is no need to keep apologising... im sure everyone here is more than happy to read your story and support you (myself included). I just have one questions, do women with PCOS have a higher risk of m/c? i wasnt aware of that. now im a little worried.

Walking Art, unfortunately women with PCOS are at higher risk. I'm not sure of the reasons why.

I've also heard that clomid prg have a higher incidence of m/c.

Don't be too worried, it's still the exception, rather than the rule.

Hi ladies.

BW- Like all of the other lovlies has said please don't feel stupid or apologise for having concerns. It is only natural to feel like that so vent all you like.

Mako- Is that Metformin treating you any better yet?

Calixelain- You must be finished your Clomid by now what is next for you are you going for a blood test or follie scan?

Willow and Beibei how is the TWW treating you two :pray: ?

Flowerchild- Are you getting excited about your scan tomorrow? It is tomorrow isn't it?

Monnie- 4 weeks today how exciting, 8 months to go :dance: !!!

Well I am back on day 1 AF showed up this morning which I knew was going to happen anyway. Picked up my injections yesterday so I start these on Sunday which is day 3. Dr wanted to scan me on Day 10 but unfortunately that lands on a Sat so I am going for a blood test on that day and we will go from there. We will do another insemination this month and see how that goes. Lets hope that we start 2007 off with a bang!!!

Hi to Walkingart, Michelle, Pollyanna, Emmydee, missbelinda and Debbie. Sorry if I have missed anyone if I have Hi!!!

Hi :hello:

BW Good luck to you for your appointment next week. I hope you are able to get the answers you need hun. Not long now til the holidays. Do you know if you will be working at the same school next year?? I think I read a while ago that you were unsure of where you would be next year???

Ktgirl I'm so pleased that you don't have to leave this wondreful thread. How are you today hun??? I hope the witch is staying away.

Willow I was also unaware that the risk of m/c is higher in women who take clomid. Thank you for letting me know. How are you doing today?

Pollyanna Hello sweet. I hope you are ok. When is your birthday. Just need to know this as you said we should be both b'ding that day.

Flowerchild, Walking Art, BeiBei and all you other fantastic ladies in here, I hope you are all having a good day.

As for me I started clomid last night so am praying that the combination of meds work this time around. I don't think I've ever had to take so many pills in one go as I do atm lol. The things we must do hey!!! I also had a job interview today so I hope I am successful with that. I'm desperate for a new job. Will find out tomorrow if I move on to next stage of interview process. Today was the second stage.

WALKIG Art and Willow,
PCOS suffers do have a higher rate of miscarriage. This is because these women often have multiple hormonal imbalances which make sustaining a pregnancy more challenging. These imbalances are often successfully counteracted with medication. Metformin and clomid being drugs of choice.

The rates of miscarriage amongst women on clomid is higher due to the high number of women with PCOS on clomid. This is not due to clomid itself.

I hope that helps. :hug:

Aww Ktgirl I'm sorry we must have been posting at the same time.
I'm so sorry that the witch showed her face today. I hope she treats you kindly. I also want to wish you all the best for your next IUI. You will get your much wanted bfp soon hun, I can just feel it. Keep your chin up and know that I'm thinking of you.
The metformin seems to hit me every second night for some reason. Weird hey.

What Deb has said is correct. The insulin resistance that causes PCOS mucks up all hormones which mucks up all processes that rely on hormones. Having PCOS also leaves you at a higher risk of developing gestational diabetes and type 2 diabetes later in life... sounds wonderful, doesn't it! But that's all part of the reason that PCOS needs to be seen as a condition to be managed through your whole life, not just when TTC. Using clomid doesn't increase the risk of miscarriage, that comes about with the underlying problems that result in clomid usage. Clomid also doesn't increase the risk of birth defects or other problems.

Deb, the one thing I'm having trouble with at the moment is knowing where to start looking for answers. I don't have enough of a medical background to understand all the research papers - my degree is in chemistry, not biology! If there's anything you can direct me to that is in plain, simple everyday language that would be greatly appreciated. Alternatively, something that I can give to my doctors to show that my concerns aren't completely unfounded, or that I can get my friend to translate for me would also be quite useful.

I'm in a really strange mood... grumpy, and with that awful feeling of dread that I'm about to get into trouble for something or other... I hope it passes soon... not happy!

BW

Hi there Mako,
My doctor said be b'ding on dec 14,16,18,20. He said that should work.lol. He is a character though because he said dont bother shagging on any other days its just a waste of time. I was thinking i wonder what my dp would think of being told that. Sorry hun your needs really arent relevant i need to get some quality sleep and i cant have my time wasted. Tic toc.Baby cooking!What a crack up.My birthday is the 14 th. I'll be 36(booohooo).So looking foward to tracking this month with you as we go through the ups and downs together. its so lovely to have someone at exactly the same place and same time. A few weeks ago I had a lap buddy(she knows who she is). We were both having repeat laparoscopies and were both incredibly nervous. but we got through. P.S In regards to the pcos i knew all of the above and did you girls know that girls with pcos are more likely to have macrosomic babies. Over4000grams(i think). My gestational diabetes pregnancy resulted in a 4275gr bay at 36 weeks. I do not have pcos like i thought but when you read all these things on the net its easy to self diagnose (as i have
done incorrectly). Anyway i also took my first clomid today. i think i dont have side effects(god that sounds funny). Maybe i'm a little dizzy.Otherwise all ok. Hope you are well and have had a nice day.

Pauline

Pollyanna, are the macrocosmic babies a result of the gestational diabetes, or something else?

The outlook with PCOS is quite bleak in some ways... can't ovulate so can't conceive, if you do manage to fluke that, then you're likely to lose it... beat that one and then you're dealing with GD and giving birth to a monster baby! I've also heard that there's an increased risk of preterm labour and difficulies breast feeding, but I'm not sure how true those last two are. I wonder what the stats on all these things actually are... is it all doom and gloom, or is it like the risk of multiple births with clomid, which I've been quoted as only 8%?

BW

Hey guys

KTgirl...so sorry to hear AF showed up...but like Mako...I have a real good feeling of what is to come for you...fingers crossed...

Mako...how you doing? I'm so hoping the M+C combo is going to be perfect.

Flowerchild...have you had your scan?

BW...1 day to go!!! YAYAYAY!!!

Everyone else...hope you are doing well...

Take care

Hi Monnie, I'm doing ok. Thanks for asking. I too hope this combination of M & C does the trick for me.
How are you and that little bean doing??? I hope you are both well. Have you been and had b/t yet?? If so how did everything go???

Pollyanna Wouldn't it be great if we both turnned up a bfp together and the we could be belly buddies.( Ohhh how nice to think these thoughts ssshhh don't tell anyone that I'm dreaming again). They do say dreams can come true though don't they?? Your fs sounds like a real character. I could just imagine the look your dp would have on his face if you said those things to him:lol: It's not long now till its your b'day.I hope you are going to do something really nice. Have a great night.

Wow there is so much information to take in in here at the moment. So over whelming. Oh well I guess we can never know too much:eek:

Butterfly,
I will do some research for you and I will try and translate it into more readable language (if I can - some of it goes over my head too but I can usually work it out :wink:).
Try to remember that you have an increased risk of miscarriage but when you are all medicated up your chances are quite decreased... Try to see it that way!
Monnie - tomorrow is the follie scan - thanks for asking and remembering you sweet woman! I will pop in tomorrow and let you all know how I fared!
Pollyanna - I get minimal sideeffects on clomid. Didn't even get cranky this month!!! I do get a bit dizzy though - but I am blonde!!! No reallyI do get dizzy but they are all just little things. My first round of clomid I got really achy and crampy that was 50mgs. This cycle I am on 100mgs and I had much less cramping. So really less symptoms on 100 than on 50. What the???

Okay I must finish off spagetti bolognese and brush some hair (not in that order!0

Deb, thanks for explaining that - I'd often wondered if it were more that the majority of women taking clomid had pcos, rather than the actual drug itself causing the problem. Makes a lot of sense.

Pcos is probably the one thing I don't have so I am grateful for that. But I still lost my baby and I still can't fall prg so we are all in the same miserable boat really! Let's all jump ship NOW! LOL!

A special hello to my lap buddy! ;)

Oh also, my TWW is officially over. POAS this morning and surprise, surprise - BFN! :eek: NO! You don't say?! hehehe. Makes it easier when you know it aint gonna happen I suppose. 10dpo today so hopefully still a few days before AF arrives. If nothing else I'd like to keep my cycles regular until we start IVF.

Thanks, Deb. I really do appreciate anything you can dig up for me.

Willow, 10DPO can still be a bit too early for a test to show positive... but I do know what you mean - sometimes it's just so hard to believe it will ever happen.

Mako, I'm in a weird mood where looking at all the things I've got going against me is making me laugh, in some weird and twisted way. The situation really isn't as bad as it seems sometimes, and I really hope I haven't put too much of a downer on things. I just feel odd right now.

And I mean really odd! The weird "I'm in so much trouble!" feeling has turned into a barely controlled anxiety attack. I don't know what's triggered it, but I really don't feel good right now - like I need to run away from something, but the stuff I want to run away from is inside me so there's no escape. I hope this will pass soon!

BW

BW, thanks for the sentiment but with both of my previous pregnancies I got a bfp at 9dpo so it's not early for me. If I were prg it'd be showing up by now. But really, I am OK with this one.

Honey, I'm sure things are never going to turn out to be as bad for you as what you are imagining! I'm really looking forward to you seeing your new FS next week because I am sure he will tell you you are gonna be just fine and with a bit of help, you'll be a mummy one day very soon.

Have a glass of wine or soak in the bath or do something that helps to relax you. I know it sounds cliche but sometimes you just need to stop and breathe or this stuff can overwhelm you.