TTC & Taking Clomid &/or Metformin ~ October 2006 #2

praying with all my heart and soull Deb, even tho Im sure eggy will be just fine....
yahoo BW, finally you say......
Cant wait to hear your results Michelle!
hi to all others

Deb I'm thinking of you too, let us know how you are.

Michelle, anxiously awaiting your results!

HCG was 357 which is within the ranges for my dates but a different doctor gave me the results and told me they were low for the dates and sent me into a tailspin I am still recovering from. Stupid woman. So consequently I am upset and worried about the cramping and hoping there will be a fabulous rise when I get stabbed again on Friday.

However, while typing this my GP called and told me not to worry it was a normal level. She would like it to be higher but we will know more on Friday AND why did I not call her when she gave me her home phone number!!! She is a lovely lady who has been my GP for over 10 years and followed me through the ups and downs. For Sydney, I think it is unusual for your doctor to give out their home phone number and expect you to call it for your blood results but I am very grateful. I think I got the trainee and I would like to personally throttle her RIGHT NOW!!!!!

So feeling a little better and having a glass of red wine (no lectures - I am working on the anaerobic energy production at this stage and also that the stress levels of the mother is bad for the baby). DH is also back and I am sooooooo happy to have him here supporting me.

Enjoy your wine Michelle, you'll get no lectures from me sweetie!!

Thanks Willow - I didn't think I would but just to be sure. Maybe you could have one too and join me in a cyber session ;)

Nah, better not, I had a drink on saturday night (only one!) and am still wondering about that. At the time I thought, bugger it, I'm not prg anyway! hehehe.

I hope Deb is OK, bit worried about her.

Many a healthy child has been conceived after a couple of drinks. It is amazing what de-stressing the mother-to-be can do :D

Actually, I conceived my angel after a few drinks. I'd even gotten a feint positive on a hpt but convinced myself that I wasn't prg and it was just my cyst giving a false positive!

So .... it could help you conceive!! Aren't you heading towards ovulation at the moment??

No lectures from me either, Michelle. I'm actually a little envious, really. Between my metformin, salazopyrin and anti-depressants I'm completely wasted after half a glass. But it is very important for mummy to be relaxed, so enjoy. Enjoy having your DH back. And I'll personally go throttle that other silly doctor for you!

I've come to the conclusion that the more time between AF, the more painful they are... I got lectured by my rheumy yesterday for not taking my naprosyn. He'd be very happy to see me dosing up on it today... even if it is just for AF pain and not arthritis pain! Although, I do tend to get arthritis niggles for no apparent reason during AF. I'm still feeling really odd about taking the clomid... I want to get most of it in during the school holidays so 5-9 really doesn't appeal... but I'm really freaking out at the thought of downing the first tablet tomorrow! Hopefully a chat to my GP and going teddy bear shopping with a dear old friend (who is also an OB, so we talk a lot about what I'm going through) will put my mind at ease.

One more sleep before the big day for Deb... still praying really hard for you, Deb. :pray:

BW

Hi Lovelies,
I am okay. George was at a "stubborn birth" and didn't phone me until 5pm. By which time I had looked really closely and the yellow is a "clean" yellow and I can't see anything that makes it look like old blood... Believe me my powers of analysing what comes out of my fanny are impressive!!! George said he believes it is just a variation of normal and that estrogen often yellows things up and that he really didn't think it was worth making the 40 minute trip to see him. He reminded me that yellow doesn't equal blood. He said he was happy to wait back for me if I needed but he really thought it was okay. He said that usually if it is anything sinister it reddens up pretty quickly. I know he is right but it really threw me as until then it had been white. Bloody hell I am a mess!!!

Today is Frank and I know I am gonna just bawl when I see him. I have hardly slept (checking knickers and hoping and praying) and I have myself in a state. I will have the 90 minute drive to the "big smoke" to calm and centre - I will be able to do that but as soon as I get into Franks rooms I know i will be like a caged animal. All of my positive thought seems to have taken a holiday!
I had a lovely dream last night that I was swimming with Finn in the ocean and there were beautiful fish and lovely white sand... I thought it was a good omen.

I won't get back until 5.30 or so tonight (apppointment is at 2pm) so I may not be able to post until tomorrow (I will do my best to post tonight but as the kids won't have seen me all day it may be difficult)

Michelle as you know what the figure does in a few days is what really counts not the initial baseline. I don't think that figure is really an issue - did you get the progesterone level done too? Sweetie I am thinking of you and praying for your little one and you. We will be fine all of us!

BFW, yay on your period - I began clomid on cd2 also...

Willow: :hug:

Chelle: :hug:

Hi to everyone else...
I have to go, I have a big day and I am looking forward to it being over...
Again, please know just how very much I appreciate your kindness and support. There is so much LOVE in here it's beautiful!

Hi guys,

mods feeel free to move in posted incorrectly-

i started my first cycle of clomid this month I was 20 DPO and was advised by the doc to wait 5 more days fbefore testing. iwas happy to do this rather than see a BFN. i started spotting on tuesday and yesterday passed a clear clot like substance ( covered in blood) about the size of 2 50c pieices. It felt quite strong and was covered in blood.:crying:

i called the doctor and he said to do a preg test- BFn but i know i felt different and i stopped feeling diffferent on monday. i just have to start my new lot of cloimd today.

Could i have misscarried?? pleae help me girls :crying:

Princess, I wish I could answer your question! :hug:

It's impossible to know, really... the fact that the HPT was BFN would indicate probably not, but it's really scary when you find things coming out of your body that you don't quite recognise.

:hug: What did your specialist advise?

BW

Michelle, I think tht is a good level, so I dont think you have anything to worry about. Im a HCG freak, so I know what is bad, and that isnt!, well in my book.You enjoy your wine.:hug:
Deb, well by now Im sure you will have seen eggy and you will have the biggest grin on your face! Cant wait to hear.:)
Princess, its so hard to know. I hate loosing strange things, because it makes you wonder about all sorts. Hope you can get some answers from specialist.
Hey BW, how you going? Hard decisions for you, hope your OB friend can help you out.
Me well cd 28, no signs of anything!:confused: :( so at this stage not sure what to think, I can go to 29 and even sometimes 30, so wont do anything till the weekend if I havnt got AF. Wish I had REALLY sore boobies or something, then I might be thinking about it. Damn the w8, I hate this part more than the 2ww!
Hey to all others.

:) I have such an enormous feeling of relief right now! I've just got back from seeing my GP, all my blood tests from tuesday came back, all negative (nothing new there!), but best of all, for the first time in 6 years I've got completely and utterly normal liver function! Not bad for all the liver-trashing medication I've had to take over the years... and my arthritis medication isn't exactly liver-friendly (which is why it's monitored so closely)... just the normal elevated ESR and C reactive proteins, whatever they are. My GP managed to sort out my worries about starting the clomid today, so I'm feeling a lot better about that, and about DH's bad SA, and a lot more hopeful about everything! I didn't get the referral to a new fertility specialist, but may get it tonight. My GP did the most wonderful thing for us - he's not supposed to take new patients, but because of the overlapping issues, he switched DH's appointment for tonight over to him (DH is very happy!), and if it turns out we need a better fertility specialist, we'll get referred to David Knight. I'm feeling so much more relaxed about everything now! It's great!

BW

That's fantastic BW!!! Wishing you every success on the clomid :hug:

Great news BW that you are feeling better about everything. Good luck for your DH tonight when he visits the GP.

Deb hoping everything went well with your visit.

Hi to all of the other girls!

BW that sounds fanastic :clap:

Princess, what's going to happen now? Is the Dr going to test you or something to find out what happened? :hug:

Bring on BW's :bfp: :happyforyou:

sarah,

i have no idea- he just want's me to start clomid cause i'm bleeding pretty freely now.

have to start clomid today- so hard but i guess i have t move on.

i agree with danni- bring on BW BFP and mine too!!

And our good news just rolls on in... DH apparently has a thumping great big obvious varicocele. So the plan is to get him in to a specialist ASAP to correct it, and then his sperm count and everything else should return to normal!

I'm so relieved! I'm so happy I could burst! (It's almost as good as getting my BFP, because at least I know it's going to be possible now!)

BW

Hi Butterfly Warrior, I am so happy that you have a happy outcome. Bring on the BFP.

ya BW!!

FYI- didi another pregancy test yestday andit came up BFP- WTF?? so off for blood test and my prediction is a BFN because of all the blood i've lost :cry:

Gosh, Princess, you are having a rough trot at the moment! Just focus on the fact that it has turned from BFN to BFP, so that's got to mean increasing HCG levels, which is a damn good sign! :hug: Take care, and go easy on yourself.

Deb, any news from yesterday?

BW

yeah - buti thinkm y levels are jsut fading :crying: at least i know i can concieve i guess. i am so glad i didn't test early and create and attachment.

just feel empty today.

Hugs to you Princess.

Yay BW on all your good news.....what is a varicocele anyway??

We have been BDing and are supposed to be doing it today (as per instruictions), but DH is cutting silage and will be ont he tractor almost all day and night, so BDing is gunna be the furtherest thing from his mnd. We DTD yesterday which wasn't needed, but I got a +ve on my OPK yesterday so.....

We are supposed to BD CD 14, 16, 18, 20, 22 but if we BD CD14, 15, 17, 18, 20 it probably won't matter hey? So long as you are doing it regularly?????

Ok, from what I've figured out, a testicular varicocele is like a varicose vein in the scrotum. With the extra blood pooling there, the temperature is raised, and it cooks the little guys! The procedure to correct the problem is known as an embolisation, but I haven't yet looked into what it involves. Really should find that out some time, I guess.

Hayseed, I would imagine that regularly BDing would be fine... if you get one in tonight, great, if not just try to make up for it tomorrow. Good luck!

Princess, I just want to come and give you the hugest hug... :hug: Take care, sweetie.

BW

Hi Girls

I've been thinking alot about my options now and would like to see what you all think. When i had a lap and dye at 21, everything came back normal. Since then i haven't tried to conceive naturally at all.

Has anyone heard of Tubal Flushing?? If my tubes turn out ok, and since i ovulate, but maybe only one in four of my eggs actually fertilise, maybe IUI with Clomid will give me a better chance so that if there are 2 follicles there maybe one of them will be "a good one".

Does anyone know of a good gynae in brisbane that i could go to for the procedure (HSG with Lipidiol Flushing)..

Hi Everyone,
I am sorry I haven't posted since my u/s. Everything went well and Eggbert was alive and looking gorgeous. My N/T risk factor was 1:1896 which is excellent. For my age it would be 1:98, so that result is excellent. Frank took a long time to check Eggbert out and as far as can be told at this gestation things are looking really good. Eggbert measured smack on 12weeks and 4 days yesterday and those measurements have been consistent. Another good sign... (I am 12 weeks and 5 days today but for some reason my ticker doesn't tock over until late in the afternoon???)000

I was a mess though. It was traumatic but Franks a champion and put the transducer on and said almost immediately "it's alive". Then he slowly examined the bits and I was able to relax. I cried buckets and buckets and my bp was through the roof. Frank likens it to post traumatic stress disorder. Just the past memories all resurfacing at once along with the fear and concern all over again. It makes sense. Anyway we (DH and I and Frank) all hugged happy hugs and I left emotionally exhausted clutching another photo of my beautiful Eggbert! The 4D scan thing is quite bizarre - my little Eggbert looked like a possum foetus according to my DH!

So, I am relieved and plodding along. I just have to get through the next few weeks which will be difficult but I am determined to remain as centred as possible.

Michelle: I know today is your repeat HCG/prog. Please let me know how it goes. I have been thinking of you all day.

Willow: How are you?

Butterfly: Thankyou for thinking of us. Yeah for a diagnosis!!!! This is wonderful news.

Princess: I am sending you lots of love. Take care sweetie and let's know what your blood test says. :hugs:

Hayseed: It would be a good idea to get jiggy with it tonight if possible. Can't you just take him some afternoon delight????!!!!! But if not yesterdays events should cover it...

Debbie: Where are you????? I am having withdrawls. I hope you know where we all are...

Lots of love to you all.... :hug:

I'mmmm back!

Deb - so glad to read everything went so well for you. Envious but oh so pleased for you. Put your arms around yourself and give yourself a big hug from me. I will be here for you over the next few weeks as I know what you will be feeling. Stay positive and don't be afraid to let it all out whenever you are here. I think I can safely say that we will all be mentally holding your hand.
I had my appointment yesterday and I have now officially joined the Clomid club. Won't be taking it yet as I am in the dreaded TWW (CD21) but will start on day 2 of next cycle. As I guest, bloods and lap. showed me to be perfectly fine. OB said I just needed a little "kick start" so hopefully he is right. Put me on 50mg and said if I'm not pregnant in 3 months come back. Soooo, lets see what happens.

Michelle - let us know your results as soon as you can. I'm sure you will be fine.

BW , Willow, Chelle and everyone else - hope you are all good and keep those updates coming.

Sorry I've been absent. Had quite a lot on. Should be around a bit more now.

Love to you all (including Egbert and Michelle's little bean)
Debbie

Please excuse my awful spelling of "guessed" in previous message. I really think my brain has gone!!!
Debbie

Well - I have a big Woooooo Hoooooo :D BHCG has gone from 357 to 775 in two days so I am pleased to announce formally that WE ARE PREGNANT :happyforyou:

6th cycle of clomid and we have success. Couldn't be happier and I am working on the premise of one day at a time and to enjoy each day (even if it could be the last). DH is starting to get excited too now that we have a positive blood level rise and it is all before Caitlyn's anniversary. I believe this is her gift to make the day a little easier to bear.

Thank you so much - without your support I could not have made it through this challenging time. BUT don't think you can get away ... as BW said, I think it is now that I REALLY need your support. :hug:

thanx so much-

i did another BT yesterday andthe result was BFP( faint) had a blood test and the dr said it was a very eary pregnancy

so............. i did miscarry. i have to have a blood test at teh end of next week.

I know i have lost this baby. But i hope hope for next time.

Mich - yay for you sweetie!!

I'm so sorry, Princess. I just don't know what to say. :hug: I know just how much you wanted that little bubba, and early loss or not, that's just gotta rip your heart right out!

I'm really not enjoying the clomid! Even if I can explain away my symptoms with other things... The lack of sleep on Thursday night (clomid or just really wound up and excited?), the headache all day Friday (clomid or lack of sleep?), another night of bad sleep (clomid or just too hot?) the dreadful hot flush that came over me at acupuncture - I was absolutely running with sweat! (clomid, or was it just really hot in the treatment room?). Three more tablets and it's over! I'm really glad I went 2-6 instead of 5-9. Better to be going through this over holidays and not in the early stages of the term.

:hello: to everyone. I hope you have somewhere nice and cool to spend the day.

BW

Hi guys. Just wanted to pop in and see how everyone is going. I am egerly awaiting my appointment on Tuesday morning. I am really hoping that there is a good follie there and I can get my usual Pregnyl injection because I am going to SA on Friday and we need to DTD at least a few times before I go.

Princess I am so sorry. We are all sending you great big cyber hugs and kisses right now.

Michelle and Deb congrats on your test results. Well done to both of you.

Hope everyone else is well.

BW - headache, insomnia and the WORST hot flushes were all things I had on clomid. The headaches weren't so bad second cycle and I started taking the tablets at 9-10pm to settle the other symptoms. :crossfingers: for good things.

Princess - :hugs: No words will make this better but know that we are here to support you. Be kind to yourself and do something special if you can.

I've been taking the tablets basically last thing before bed... Unfortunately, I'm thinking with the insomnia, morning might be better for me... Please tell me the headaches and insomnia go away after the five days? It's still hard to tell if the headaches are from the clomid or the lack of sleep... all I can say is that I'm really, really not enjoying this!

BW

The insomnia and headaches usually settle but I found I continued to have hot flushes. I found I had nausea when I took them through the day and it was harder to manage at work than the disrupted sleep. The good news is the first cycle is usually the worst symptom wise.

The better news will be either a BFP or a *normal* length cycle for you with an effective ovulation.

I slept! I actually slept! I guess the last two nights of insomnia were due to the excitement and the heat... even though it was still pretty warm last night, I actually slept! I really hope that with cooler weather today I'll be able to cope with the hot flushes a little better. Yesterday I wasn't going to do another clomid cycle until after DH has been fixed... today, I'm feeling a little better about the clomid, but I still think there's something to be said for holding off until the doctors have fixed up DH.

Hope everyone is well.

BW

Hi Girls. Sorry i've been a bit scarce around here this week, have been trying to take a bit of a step back cause you know what they say, if you can't say something positive, don't say anything at all....

Just wanted to let you know I'm out this month. Again. Spotting started today, 11dpo.

I think it's safe to say at this point that clomid isn't going to do the trick for me. If it were actually doing 'something' I'd be a bit more positive but it isn't even correcting my cycle length, prog. levels, spotting or short LP. It's not doing anything.

I'm off to my gyno on Tuesday and to a FS at IVF Australia on Thursday (how glad am I that I made that appt last month???). Am very keen to hear what he has to say and hopefully to move onto the next step. I think I'm heading for serious intervention faster than I ever thought possible.

I am seriously stressed about getting my DH's sperm results back on Tuesday. Considering we've conceived very easily in the past there is no indication that there will be bad news but it just seems like every time we start looking the news is ALL bad.

BW, the side effects definately improve. I had headaches, nausea and insomnia (although not really bad) first cycle, this cycle I had nothing at all (but maybe that's cause it's not doing what it's supposed to for me!). I also wanted to tell you that I've realised my younger brother has a varicocele. I had no what it was at the time, but have since worked out from what he's told me and from your posts that that's what it was. He was told he'd have a lot of difficulty if he wanted to have children. Well he's still got the varicocele, along with an 8 month old baby girl who was a big surprise to her mummy and daddy! So I think there is immense hope for you my girl!!