thanks kiwimummy one of the SCN people is driving me nuts i just went down to take the colostrum i mentioned before as its been 3 hours and she starts not having a go but being a bit patronising "its really important we get this and we need to get more of it we have to take the drips off soon you'll have nothing to feed them" had me in tears back to my bed but im determind we will successfully feed yes this maybe a hurdle but we will clear it!