Thanks mummytummy, I remembered I have a friend who has a Phil and Teds so I might go and have a closer look at hers - and there's a baby hire place that has the Kinderkot in stock so I could always give both a try... the Kinderkot looks good in theory but then I remembered that Perth is very hot some nights and being so close to the ground and enclosed - even with the fly screen - might get quite hot in there for bubs.