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I felt guilty for enjoying the odd soft-serve based bevarage here and there when pg. Then I remembered that back in the dim dark ages, there wasn't a whole encyclopedia of 'foods you shouldn't eat while pregnant'. And lots of babies were born back then too :) Ok, a little simplistic, I know the risk is there, but almost every daily activity carries a small risk of something diastrous with it. That's life I suppose.
My mum lived on Maccas soft serve while pregnant with me, and both my sister and I have craved Maccas thickshakes during pregnancies. I indulge every once in awhile (until diagnosed with GD at 29 weeks), but waited until I was past 13 weeks in my pregnancy. Same every once in awhile with salami etc. I make sure with deli meats from a good butcher.
I no longer work there but did when krushers launched back on the day. Procedures don't often change but this is my take from 18m ago.
The milk mix IS definitely considered a soft serve, but it is 'diluted' per se as it is not supposed to be thick like a soft serve.
For those that have mentioned the cleanliness of the materials - I can't guarantee anyone follows the procedures BUT the mix is thrown out at the end of each day and the machines are almost completely disassembled. All inner parts that come off of the machine are required to be sanitized over night in a proper sanitizing solution and boiled water. The only part that cannot be taken off is washed with soapy water - when the machines are put together in the morning they are sanitized with mixers on etc for 15 mins prior to new mix being made. This means that the part that cannot disassemble is still appropriately sanitized.
I have only worked with a pizza hut soft serve machine but from memory the parts on that particular machine were not able to be disassembled for anywhere near as effective cleaning.
If a store is performing their procedures correctly I would say they are definitely safe and I would choose a krusher over a mcshake.
But again it is one those things you have to make the choice about!!
rules schmules - everything in moderation is fine!!!
i have had heaps during my pregnancy!!
I'm sorry, but I had to respond...:
I don't think it is a case of "rules schmules". There is a reason these guidelines have been developed, and it's not just to rain on the parade of pregnant women. The reality is every year babies die due to listeria. That this number has fallen over the years is, at least partially due to the fact that women are better educated not to eat high risk food.
What people do is their own business but I personally don't think it is something to take lightly. And, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it might not happen to someone else. You can drive down a street while drunk and not crash but that doesn't mean that you should drink drive IYKWIM.
Really, when it comes to things like listeria, "everything in moderation" does not really apply.
can i not have an opinion like anyone else in this thread?
pretty sure im not the only person that has said moderation is fine!
and might i add, n2l, that my dr said the only thing i *shouldnt* eat is soft cheeses, so pardon me, i will listen to my dr!
I think for me when it comes to skirting the rules of safe eating during pregnancy it's about minimising the chances - for example, if I'm going to be naughty and slightly undercook my egg, it's in my own home, I know the eggs are fresh and have been handled properly. Rather than buying a bacon and egg sanger from the local deli that's been sitting in a bain marie that I haven't seen prepared or prepared myself. Or I'll cook up my own potato salad rather than the pre-prepared gunk they sell in shopping centre food courts. Tastes better anyway and means I can use mayo that's been pasteurised and is safe.
It does make eating out a little problematic sometimes, but it really comes down to being sensible and avoiding anything that's completely dodgy.
Of course you are entitled to have an opinion. But in expressing it you should expect there are others who may not share that opinion. Similarly, you can listen to only your doctor's advice if you wish, but you may like to know the recommended list of things to avoid during pregnancy is much more wide than "soft cheeses".:
You may like to share the following document with your doctor...
Listeria - Food Standards Australia New Zealand
Alish I think the reason your post was commented on was more the fact that a "rules schmules" comment implies that you think the rules are silly & a waste of time (or at least that's how it reads to me). Opinions are one thing but dismissing the opinions of others in something entirely different.
i never dismissed anyones opinions!! they were my own!! i never singled anyone out!!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im so sick of this forum!!!!! you cant write anything without being attacked or someone accusing you of saying the wrong thing!!!!
Alish it's not that you are saying the wrong thing - if you feel that is how it applies to you personally then that is great but for the safety & understanding of other members it is a GOOD thing that people jumped in to highlight the seriousness of listeriosis. The forum is a means of education as well for those who arent fortunate enough to have doctors who are clued in and give the right advice.
I am a little more blasé than I should be about food because as a PP said if I cut out everything I wouldn't eat, but when it comes down to it I minimize the risk as much as possible and I am informed.
The crux of the issue is that listeriosis is a danger and yes while moderation can be okay when applying how safe you choose to be when it comes to food, it is so important that the people have 'jumped down your throat' do, in order to ensure there is awareness for others who may be reading.
I understand your frustration but in the end, having many of us disagree on here in this way IS good because it educates.
I'd have to agree with Alish personally, I think Its been taken way too far. I even felt a little attacked in this thread for no real reason!
Ladies my goodness we were talking about crushers lol! Lighten up, at least we don't live in some third world country where there is contamination everywhere!
Hope you all have a lovely night and can agree to disagree on this one ;)
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+1. I said pretty much the same thing just in more words, so when I see people attacking someone else of the same school of thought I feel kind of attacked too!:
High school is over ladies - let's be adults and agree to disagree, and do so respectfully. If someone expresses that they're feeling attacked then let up, they clearly get the point. There is no need to make them feel like crap, we are all beyond that. :shakehead:
*Unsubscribes*
Uummmmm who was attacked? Saying you disagree with someone and explaining why is far from attacking behaviour. I thought we were respectfully disagreeing :dunno:
Dragoncookie thanks for your input that's what I was after the ingredients that make up the mix I work at HJ's and know about listeria and soft serve machines. Everytime I asked at KfC no one could give me at 4 different stores.
alish/danni, have to agree with you as well, were all these 'rules' about when our mothers were pregnant with us? and we are still alive... i have to say i was pretty anal about what i ate ect before 12 weeks but after that, whatever! way too much pressure is put on pregnant woman, dont eat this dont eat that, what about druggo mothers and mothers who smoke? and we need to be worried about eating a bit of deli meat and a soft serve ice cream? yes listeria can happen but so can a lot of other things.. you have to be careful to an extent but no need to lock yourself in your house making sure u eat and cook everything perfectly
Listeria really is a different risk in its own category. You really need to read up on it to put it in context.
When Mum had me it was in the mid 1970's.
Just in the time I've been an adult, eating out has changed in that time, particularly regarding salads, there's a proliferation of side salads everywhere you eat out these days. The problem with Listeria is it isn't killed by refrigeration, only by heat.
I must be a crazy woman then because I avoided all the high risk foods. I just couldn't take any risks that were easily avoidable. I'm sure those babies born to addict parents have battles ahead of them from the start, poor little things.
I wonder if there were more babies dying of listeria back when our mums had babies, when the guidelines were more flexible? I'd assume so otherwise why would the list of high risk foods be more extensive now. I can't imagine the guidelines have been developed to be cruel to us and make us suffer while we are pregnant. It's what's best for our babies.