oh that's wierd, I thought no one had responded to my lunchtime message and wondered why you were all so quiet... and here you are on a new thread! I shall stop taking it personally The one part of this whole preg thing I don't get is the cleaning element of nesting... why anyone would want to clean is beyond me. I'm with that camp English chap whose name escapes me, who said something along the lines of 'after the first six inches of dust, you stop noticing'... but then I'm a completely lazy buzzard!!!