Babies born~January 16th-31st 2010 #1

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There are many issues that you will encounter as a new parent. We have put together this list of useful articles and threads in order to assist you with some common questions or issues you may have, and to provide you with bit of extra support that we all need as new parents:

Feeding Support:

Breastfeeding General Chatter
Breastfeeding FAQ's
Is My Baby Hungry?
Bottlefeeding FAQ's and Useful Information
Is Feeding Your Baby Taking Too Much Time?
Bottlefeeding General Chatter
Feeding Your Baby
Lactose Intolerance
Starting Solids/Homemade Baby Food
Starting Solids - When Is My Baby Ready?
Starting Solids General Chatter

Please contact the Australian Breastfeeding Association (ABA) or a Lactation Consultant if you are concerned that you may have breastfeeding and/or supply problems, and before the introduction of solids.

Sleeping Support:

Comforted Sleeping & Sleep Issues Forum
Comforting Tools to Aid Restful Sleep
Babies & Sleep
Controlled Crying/Comforting/Sleep Training
The Con of Controlled Crying
The Crying Game
15 Ways To Help Your Baby Sleep

Other Useful Information & Recommended Reading:

Baby Massage
Cuddle Me Mum
Infant-led Feeding & Weaning
Baby Wearing
Recommended Reading List

Got questions?

Post your questions in the forums mentioned above, or in the following forums where you're sure to receive many friendly responses!

General Baby & Toddler Forum
Breastfeeding, Bottlefeeding and Solids
Gentle Parenting Forum

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:hello: girls,
well i was due to have my baby charlie in feb but she has come early to us and we had her jan 21st so i suppose im a part of this group ;) im so happy to finally be here as our little one took us so long to get and im just very proud and happy to finally be a part of a BABYS BUDDIES GROUP :dance:
hope to get to meet some more lovely girls in here soon .

Yay our baby buddies group has begun!!!
Welcome Smithy and congrats on the birth of Charlie!!!
My firstborn- a daughter Zoe Marie Teresa was born on the 19th of Jan via C section.
I'm sure the other ladies will join us soon :)

Hello,
My baby Ryley James was born on the 28th Jan, I would love to be part of the baby buddies group!

I am with Smithy
Our little girl was born on January 24th at 11.47 pm (due 12th Feb) 3.3kgs
First born Natual birth - needed some help on the way out as she wasnt breathing - No pain killers

Hope to meet some lovely ladies in here where we can talk about our little ones :)

I'd love to join this group too. We had our fourth little boy, Hugh, join our family on 24th January. I had irregular contractions on and off since Friday night but hadn't dilated at all by lunchtime on 24th. Got to the hospital at 4pm and was fully dilated and waters broke at 4:15 and he arrived at 4:31. Guess when he's ready there's no stopping him!!

Look forward to supporting you ladies and having a chat - provided the kids give me a chance :)

Hi girls! My baby girl Vaeda Arkady, born 21st January - shes our first. I did plan to go natural but ended up having an induction which was followed by an epidural, which was then followed by a caesar when the heart monitor showed that Vaeda was in distress. I'm not really disappointed at all about how it turned out though - was so amazing to finally hold my *daughter* in my arms and once that happened I didn't care about anything else.

Vaeda is going wonderfully and is gaining weight well and doing all the things she should be. I on the other hand have been having a hard time dealing with not getting any sleep! I thought that the sleepless nights I had during pregnancy were going to acclimatise me to it all, but it really didn't. Feeling like a zombie! Not looking forward to when my husband goes back to work next week, thats for sure.

Congrats to all the other girls here on the birth of their little bundles of joy!

Hi Smithy, Colestar & Vin ... nice to see you girls have transitioned over to this thread from our pregnancy buddies group!

:hello: to everyone else ... my name is Karen and I gave birth to my third child, Luka Bodhi on the 28th of January via c section. Luka had to have some help getting going as well, and has become some what of a pin cushion with some further complications ... but I am happy to report that he is starting to go really well, jaundice levels are dropping and he is putting on weight .. yay!

Look forward to getting to know you all and to continue the friendships I made with Smithy, Colestar and Vin.

Have been having some trouble with breastfeeding lately, Vaeda was doing it like a pro for a week but now it's gone back to hurting again. Had a LC come out yesterday, she basically assured me I was doing everything textbook, the problem is that Vaeda just isn't opening her mouth wide enough. It was wide enough before but since my milk has come in I have gone up two cup sizes and I just don't fit in her mouth anymore!! (or any of my bras) LC showed me how to feed lying down, which is a bit better, and says that Vaeda is still learning so I just need to stick it out for another week or so while my boobs calm down and Vaeda learns/grows, then everything will magically sort itself out. Hope she's right!! Luckily time is flying for me at the moment so I won't have to wait very long :) have another LC appointment next week.

Psssssssst!

Just sticking my head in to say HI it's so nice to see my bellybuddies starting to talk babies!! Have a great time and hopefully I'll be in the next group.. or the one after... please God not the one AFTER that...!

xo

Hey everyone.

Congratulations on your little bundles, such a joyous time. :)

My second little girl was born 29th of Jan, little Naomi Charlotte. She was induced with a lot of gels and waters breaking, and after a few hours they decided my contractions weren't effective enough. So I said epidural before drip. And apparently she didn't want the epidural because she crowned while we were setting up for it. Very sudden!

Vintrar - I hear you on the breastfeeding. Naomi was starting to get the hang of it and now it's painful again. It's only been a week for me - so Im going to give it another week. Hopefully it settles down. Otherwise I might see a LC next week.


(My ticker doesn't seem to work :( )

Hi ladies

kazaraz - Glad to hear lil Luka is getting better and putting on weight :)

Vintrar & Karamine - Hope your lil girls get the hang of the boob soon

I am having some trouble with wind and Jayde. She isnt burping well and keeps getting a belly ache. She had some problems feeding when she was born - and may just be a windy baby however I have tried so many things when I feed her to get her to burp, Including changing formula an all that...she has otherwise been such a good baby...I am just worried after last night (as she vomited) that she might have a little tummy bug - she has had runnier poops as well...

Hi Girls....
I only lasted 2 and a bit weeks with my b/feeding.
Milk dried up :(
Good on those who are persevering :)
Colestar- I hear you on the wind.... I always breathe a huge sigh of relief when Zoe does a huge burp!
My issue is with hiccups... I have very severe baby brain and cant remember what causes them.... Anyone know?

I only signed up to BB in the last weeks of my pregnancy and so never joined a Belly Buddies group.

My son V. was born on 21st January, 11 days overdue and a medically indicated induction (not just for dates). He's our first child. It was a crazy labour, but we got through it. There were some worries about jaundice after he returned a positive Coombs test, that seems to have cleared up now. Breastfeeding was super-painful at first, still is a bit on the left side. I guess I have some residual nipple damage: hope that goes away very soon. The child health nurse did a home visit today and reported that he is stacking on the weight though, and he was already pretty big at birth. So that's good.

Emma09 - Jayde use to get them before she was born at least 4 times a day - after alot of feeds she gets them now...poor little thing they dont hurt them thou, like they do adults...you can get something for them at the chemist apparently...

Vaeda gets hiccups almost every meal! It's so hard to deal with, even though all the research I've done and all the midwives I've spoken to say that babies do not care in the slightest, I can't stop thinking about how much it hurts my chest when I get a bout of hiccups and I worry worry worry...

Vaeda gets them halfway through a feed and still wants to keep going! She makes a cute sound like a squeaky toy every time she swallows haha.. Actually latches on really well when she's got the hicccups so it's a good time to feed her :)

Hello to everyone and congrats on all the babies, I have finally gotten around to joining the thread, our second little girl, Chloe May, was born on the 29th, at 9.47am, 9lb 1oz (4120g) and 56cm long. Our birth story is here https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...y-arrival.html

She has been a boobie monster since birth, feeding every 2 hours for 20 minutes for the first 4 days, my milk was overflowing at day 3, lucky she has backed down to half an hour every 3 to 4 hourly. Took her a good few days to learn but is going brilliantly now, my grazes have all healed. She has such a feroucious suck it was near impossible to get her off, and the mw's kept commenting on how strong she is, its like trying to wrestle a tiger.

She is sooooo noisy, she makes constant hummmmmmssss and little grunts and mouse noises while sleeping. Lucky I have adapted to it quick, Amelia never did it, and I am sleeping through it now.

Her big sister just adores her and spends all day checking up on her, reading her books and playing cup a teas with her. We are getting her gp checkup tomorrow so we will see what the little porka has put on.

Vintrar/Kamarine - has anyone suggested expressing a little before a feed to make the nipple and areola more soft. Mine are normally very solid and flat with no give, so when my milk comes in they are rock solid, making it difficult for bubs to latch on, I need to express about 30mls before each feed or its impossible.

Emma/Vintrar - both of my children suffered/suffer from hiccups just about every feed and even in between, and although they will tell you that it doesnt bother them, Chloe thrashes around and carries on until they stop, I know there is nothing I can do about it but I feel so sorry for her. Its caused by the diaghragm doing something out of whack, some say in newborns it happends more regularly because it is still immature.

Hellooooooooooo I'm here! Finally made it! Just replying so this comes up in my subscribed threads for now, and I'll chat more during the week after hubby goes back to Melb for work.
Hi SMithy, Kaz, Colestar & Vintrar! & Ali too, you sneaky-peek :)

Speak soon!

Hi to all the new mums! Just a quick post as it is getting late and I need some sleep! I am finding I am super tired at the moment, but once that early hours feed happens I am happy to potter around for an hour or more. I think it comes back to not sleeping much when I was pregnant. Some habits die hard!

We have had a big day today, as a girlfriend come over to do some baby photos. She is just getting into baby photography and she did a lot of work with Luka and then some family shots. From the ones she showed me they look great, so I cannot wait to see the finished product!

Phynna - Yay for finally making it!

Study - Great to meet you, look forward to getting to know you more :)

Vin - The hiccups have to hurt bubs, surely. Luka gets so upset when he gets them, poor little things. He got them a lot when I was pregnant and now he has arrived he still gets them often.

Colestar - How is Jayde going with her wind problems? We always found that by laying bubs across your lap and tapping their back is an effective way of getting the hard to get wind up! We have tried that with Luka as he can be tricky, but usually if you walk with him you can get it as well.

Liminal - How is the breast feeding going?

Emma - I am bottle feeding as well. Both my girls are bottle fed babies, as my milk never come in and they have turned out fine! I expressed with both at first, but it is a lot of work. I have been expressing for Luka because my boobs are demanding it twice a day, but because the breast / formula combination is not doing any favours for his poos we have decided to go solely to formula. I was not even getting enough for one feed a day, so I cannot put him through the pain of constipation for not even one bottle.

Kamarine - Your little girl sounds like she made a very quick entrance! Was your first birth drug free?

Sorka - 4 boys! Are you done now or would you like to try again for a girl? A lot of people are not phased by what they get, I am one of 3 girls and we were more than happy to have another girl. But we got a boy this time around and that is fine as well. As long as they are healthy is all we could ask for!

Smithy - How are you and little Charlie going?

Cadence - How are you doing?

I hope I have not missed anyone. If I have sorry and :hello:!

Studymum - Chloe sounds just like Vaeda! Always on the boob, makes noises all night (I havent learnt how to block them out yet) and she's a little fighter, impossibly strong and so hard to unlatch! She loves putting her hands up by her face while feeding too, I have to pry them away so that I can get to her mouth. How is she so strong? She could probably beat me in an arm wrestle.

Re: hiccups Vaeda doesn't seem that bothered by them. She doesn't cry or fuss, she just either lies there looking around, or continues to desperately seek out the food like she's never eaten a thing in her life.

Hi Hi Ladies,

Thanks for the info re hiccups.

Kazaraz- What formula is Luka on? How much does he get per feed?
I'm a little confused as after a 120ml bottle of S26 GOLD, Zoe is still looking for more food!!! I call her McPiglet :lol:
Should I be giving her more?

Hey guys!!! Just wanted to join here - our little Ethan was born on 25 jan 10....

Was going to say more but he just vomited everywhere..... three times.... is that normal?? Gotta go!!

Hi to all the new mums who have joined us

Love the name Studymum

*waves* to Vin, Kazaraz, Smithy and Phyn

Kaz - The doc told us she has colic - we have FINALLY worked out what works for her - a combination of laying as you suggested - walking over Daddy's shoulder and a nice shower to calm her. We changed her bottles to a smaller teet - as apparently this is an issue

Bindi13 - Jayde vomited everywhere a few times (hasnt since) was told by doc that it was left over mucus she swallowed when she was born, she also vomited when she was full of wind as well...

The nurse came and visited today - she was quite helpful - as from 2 weeks to settle hicuups you can give a small amount of room temp sterilised water - as feeding relievs this... I tried it and worked a treat settled her right away. I dont know if this works for those breastfeeding

I am also glad to hear (with all the issues we had feeding her) that she has put on 500g since birth weight which is awesome as she lost weight after she was born so excited - the nurse was VERY pleased with her, It was nice to hear I was doing it right, as sleepless nights were making me worry I was doing something wrong.

Hope everyone else is enjoying their new little bundles

Colestar - Great news regarding Jayde putting on weight yay. Good luck with the new teats, hope that works for you!

Bindi - From experience vomiting can be a normal part of the parcel. It could mean bubs does have some wind, has drank a bit much and over flowed or that they might have a bit of reflux. If it is happening every feed, it might be worth mentioning it to your gp of maternal health nurse? My DD1 was a bit of a spewer and I recall one night changing her 5 times and DH and I twice before we left the house as she kept spewing on every new set of clothes! Fun!

Emma - We have Luka on Karricare Gold, we have fed the girls with this and it seems to work for us. At the moment he is taking 100mls every 3-4 hours. In saying that, he is also polishing off 100mls really easily every feed, so we will keep an eye on it and when he starts seeming like he wants more, sleeping for shorter periods again we will bump it up as well. When was Zoe born? Luka is 1 weeks and 5 days.

Just a quick post, hope everyone is going well.

Had a run in with the nurse at my gp's today, Chloe had her 5-10day checkup with my gp (also my ob) and she is doing great, might I add so am I, both uterus and stomach muscles back to normal already, yeah. She has a bit of conjuntivitis in one eye but going to continue using the breastmilk for a few more days before filling the script. Anyway my run in with the nurse, the stupid old hag asked me how often she is feeding, which is every 3 to 4 hours and at her age IMO that is perfectly fine, the woman screwed her nose up and asked if I was allowing her to work up a cry for awhile before a feed so that I stretch them out a bit. I told her I dont and I dont think there is a need to, I know when she is hungry and not complaining of something else, and letting her work herself up for 5 minutes is not going to stretch anything out its just going to make her harder to attach. Well she wasnt impressed with me and gave me the snotty for the rest of the checkup

Emma - let them have whatever they want, the tin is just a guide. I gave Amelia a bottle of EBM at 2 weeks old at a wedding and was in complete shock to discover that she was already polishing off over 240mls per feed (she drank my store for the day in one hit and I ended up having to bf her for the next feed in the middle of the reception) She never let up either and by 3 months was drinking 300mls bottles and by 8 I was filling them to the brim :o, so many people told me that she shouldnt be drinking so much, but if she didnt get it all hell would break loose. She was so petite to.

A good idea is to have a top up bottle of formula in the fridge. You just make up another bottle of formula and if they finish the one you offer than use the top up to add extra to it until they stop drinking. It was suggested to my sister whos daughter would become unsettled half an hour or hour after a feed, by our wonderful baby nurse, she said that all babies regardless of bf or ff have part of their brain that will tell them what they require to drink, so if they empty the bottle and fall asleep they just may have not got quite enough and might only want another 10 or 20mls or more and wake later. So basically if the bottle is empty, top it up a bit and offer some more. It worked wonders for sis.

Vomity babies are so much fun, well not really, Amelia vomited on everything, the first two days in hospital (it was mainly mucus that hadnt come out during birth) she got every single thing I had packed and DH had to bring more in. I sewed up terry towelling vomit clothes with a waterproof backing to lay her head on just to save the millions of sheets I was going through. Lucky this time Chloe hasnt done it once.

Well the boobie monster is stirring again so I am off.

Little Nao gets the hiccups alot too, and she seems sad when she does and really loves the cuddles. I've found putting her upright against my chest and stomach between boobs seems to help her get over them quicker, either that or its coincidental. :)

Kazaraz - First little girl, Munchkin, she was drug free and even faster out! :o I had pethidine with little Nao.

Studymum - Sadly its not engorgement causing the attachment issues, I'm not sure what it is - going to ring LC tomorrow and see. She latches to one side pretty well just not the other.

Had a home visit - the last for now (:() Not sure about her weight, the CMN wasn't worried, but I dunno if I am lol. Birthweight was 3585g. Day 3 was 3400g. Day 6 was 3580g.Today day10 was 3560g.
She's still feeding a lot and stuff. :dunno:
Munchkin was bottle fed so I'm unsure how it works this time.

Hi everyone!

I had Sophia on the 21st, 6 days early. Since then I've been up until 2am every morning because bugalugs cluster feeds from 11pm until after 1! Then her big sis wakes early around 7 (despite going to bed at 10pm!) and doesn't nap in the day. Thank goodness DD1 is in daycare a couple of days a week so I can rest! She falls asleep at the boob but I put her down to have a shower or lock up the house and PING! Awake again :lol:

Study - Your post made me relax a little about my boys feeding. He took 120mls last night and then slept for 5 hours, and did similar next feed. I was worried he was stretching out too long, but he must be getting what he needs to satisfy him. I am still waiting to see a maternal health nurse, as we have not had a weigh since 2 days after getting out of hospital. I might ring them and see what is taking so long. I thought since they were monitoring him so closely because of the jaundice, they would have someone out sooner than over a week later?!

Kamarine - I thought bubs should continue to put weight on, but the maternal health nurse should know what she is talking about. Maybe if you are worried, it would not hurt to ring the help line and just run the weights past them. Or talk to your gp even. Good luck with it!

Neenee - Sounds like Sophia is keeping you busy! Hopefully things settle down soon and you can get a bit more sleep x

Not much going on here. My DH has taken my girls out, so it is nice and quiet. Luka has been down since his 8am feed, so I am waiting for him to wake up. He is sleeping really well, so that is a good thing. Hopefully all is going well with you all and your bundles of joy! x

Hi ladies.....
I belong in the March 1-15th thread but our little princess Lucinda was born 6 weeks early so I am dropping in to join this thread.

My bub tends not to burb either!! I find it frustrating as she scrunches up in pain until finally she lets it out of her bottom !!! in a very unladylike fashion lol!!!!.

I am BF and really enjoying it although the 3 hrly feeds are a killer. I don't seem to remember them being so hard with my last ones, but I guess that was 8 yrs ago lol.

Looking forward to watching and chatting whilst our bubs are growing up.....
Em

:dance: CONGRATS MRZ ON THE ARRIVAL OF LITTLE LUCINDA.
wow theres a lot of us in here now and im luven it having all you girls to share stories with is wonderful BUT... today im just so tired i couldnt do perssies if i tried lol im so tired rite now i have sore eye balls :lol: but i promise to try and catch up in the next few days,charlie is still feeding every 3 hrs and is having a lot more awake time now as well,thank god for my dh :clap: helping me out all the time id be lost with out him.
all is going well though charlie is a very windy little girl so im not game to leave the house atm so hopeing this will pass soon ,rite now im waiting for her to do poos as she has not done one yet today and she still cries when she does i think the sensation of it still freaks her out as there soft poos but it still upsets me to hear her cry like that :doh:
any ways girls going to lay down for 5 mins while i can lol
big hugs to you all.

hi cole,vin and kaz so good to hear from you all i miss our group a bit lol...

Hi All

Get some sleep Smithy whilst you can - I do the same get half an hour here and a few hours there - since swapping teets Jayde has been far more content.

I took her in the car for an hour today (longest she has ever been in it) our to see my grandparents, as my grandfather (her great grandfather) is not very well at all, and I wanted to get some pics with him, he loved her sat with her for over an hour, and then when I put her on the mat he sat there and watched her...

Hope everyone else is well xo

oh colestar that is so nice that your grand dad got to spend some time with bubba girl and you got photos,i hope his going to be ok hun big hugs for him.

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oh colestar that is so nice that your grand dad got to spend some time with bubba girl and you got photos,i hope his going to be ok hun big hugs for him.

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Thanks Hun - he loved it, it made him so happy and we put her in the outfit they brought her so that made both him and nan happy. He has cancer and has been unwell for a while now. I am just glad she decided to come into the world when she did - so that he got a chance to meet her

P.S I replied in our old thread about the bottles

:welcome: Mrz and congrats on the arrival of Lucinda ... how is she doing and is she still in hospital?

Smithy - sleep when you can! I am surprised how much Luka's birth has knocked me around. Like you I would be lost without my dh, don't want him to go back to work! Two more weeks of being spoilt for me.

Colestar - sorry to hear about your grandad. I hope you guys get a bit more time with him and he can get a few more cuddles with Jayde. I love your ticker pic, she looks so restful!

Kazaraz - my child health nurse was worried about Sophias weight and made a big deal about it, then dissapeared into Narnia! Lol! Perhaps she's just busy? Do you have her number? Hope his Jaundice is clearing up either way, DD1 had jaundice and she looked so sickly and sad!

mrzbaby - those little newborn poos are rippers aren't they lol! I often thing Sophia has done a poo but find a clean nappy, or worse, a skidmark! :lol: Hows your little one going, were there any complications with her being prem?

smithy - it must be so strange having all those new sensations! Sophia tends to have a little whinge before doing a poo as well. Hopefully Charlie will feel better soon!

Colestar :hug: isn't it funny how bubs always seem to pick good times to be born? Hope you and your family are doing well, sorry to hear about your grandad.


I think Sophia is having a growth spurt, she was feeding literally all night last night and most of the day today. Is week 3 a wonder week?

aww thanks neenee,weve just had the big poo and she cried her little eyes out but again it was soft but thank you so much for the reasurance hun as you say its still all so new to them i guess.hun your little girls pic in your ticker is just beautfil shes so cute

oh and guess what i got 2hrs sleep today and i feel heaps better :lol:

Thanks ladies in regards to my Granddad - hopefully he remains with us for a little while yet, but they do pick the strangest times in our lives (well for me anyway) to come into this world.

Thanks for the comment Kazaraz - those pics on ur facebook that your friend did of Luka are adorable, When she decides to sleep she is quite peaceful looking

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Liminal - How is the breast feeding going?

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Getting less painful now, thanks. Now, to wait (probably for a while) for V to drop a night feed! 10pm, 1am, 4am, 7am, it's killing me but I know plenty have it worse.

Hi all, i have been laying low as i had a very hard labour and i'm still suffering from it all now with me not being able to pee :( but i'm now ready to start talking again.

Our little boy was born on his EDD the 30th of jan at 11.53pm weight 3320 birth length 50.5 birth head circ 34.5.

He is just so beautiful i just wish i could enjoy him more it's hard when you can't pee or know when to :( it's getting me so down.

colestar i'm sorry to hear about your granddad, it's such a blessing when bub's is around in time to spend special time with our relatives like that, it'll stay with you forever, and hopefully he'll be around for a while yet to see her grow with you too

Gabberqueen ouch! Are the docs doing anything to help you in the peeing department or is it just something you have to wait out? Hope you get better soon, you've had a few weeks already suffering you poor thing!

I was wondering how the ladies who had c-sections were going with their recoveries? Like what are we mostly at, 2 to 4 weeks in now, how's your lifting and bending and mobility going? And do you have the same bleeding after for a few weeks or the no sex for 6 weeks rule?

I've fallen prey to my tailbone pain once again, doh! And my back spasms when i bend over, but i didnt have a back labour? Oh, and stupid me thought i had survived without stretch marks, pffft, now that all my excess fluid and preggo belly is gone, the marks are appearing, damnit! But it's good to feel thin again, even if my belly hasnt shrunk completely yet, and not feel like i weigh a million tonnes on my feet too hehe! I do miss my belly though ;)

Great news! hubby has scored a local job! So now he'll be home permanently! Already his mother has expressed her disapproval at his moving back up here full time, and instructed him to not allow me to interfere with his job or his money (hello we share a daughter and a mortgage), he had her on speakerphone, gotta love mother-in-laws, on the other hand, his dad couldnt have been more happy things are working out for us at last! So he starts new job on friday, i'm so happy finally we get to be normal family again :-)

Elly had her first screaming nightmare day yesterday, didnt want to interrupt hubby's job interview by excusing myself for a breastfeed so i tried to make her hang on for a while, but the blokes just kept on and on talking for so long! (and they tease us women about talking) elly got so worked up and over hungry and over tired that she couldnt even latch on for so so so long, took hours before she calmed down properly poor thing, in the end it was the bath that did the trick, settled her enough to feed, and she was so exhausted she slept nearly the whole night thru! I wont be making her wait for feeds again, i've learnt my lesson!

Ok i'm out, it's middle of the night, and i really need sleep, take care girls!