does sleep ALWAYS create sleep??

after a chat with the lovely Cailin today she had me thinking that maybe DD2 doenst need the amount of sleep id prefer during the day :lol:

after a crap night, which followed a great day sleep yesterday, does anyone have any experiences with sleep not creating sleep with toddlers, keep in mind DD is 13 months

should also mention DD had 1 hour day sleep tuesday and only woke once that night
wednesday she had 2hrs 10 mins and was up and down for 3 hours during the night last night!

It would make sense. I know I'm not a toddler (lol) but if I have a sleep of an afternoon, feel like crap getting up but then can't sleep properly overnight. There probably is a point where sleep doesn't create sleep, and getting "too much" can mess up their sleeping patterns. Maybe...

Not in my house! But then sleep is a very random thing here at the best of times, lol. I have found for both my girls that a long day sleep really impacted the night sleep from about 14 months of age. Initially good day sleep meant good night sleep but this theory seemed to go out the window after about 10 months. My guess is probably every child is different (helpful huh?).
I am a wee bit sleep obsessed as it seems to constantly allude us......

Sleep usually created sleep here up to a certain age only. I find if they have a little sleep in the morning it doesn't create a problem at night. It's the afternoon sleep that always created headaches for me once they got over that sleep creates sleep stage.
Have you tried an am sleep instead of an afternoon one? Or even try waking her up after an hour?

thanks ladies!!

she woke today after 90mins so will see how tonight goes, its interesting to hear that others potentially agree that its not always the way!

I read somewhere that up to 12mths of age, most babies need roughly the same amount of sleep at roughly the same times (morning or night, not specifically 10am or anything like that!) - the whole awake for 40mins as a newborn, asleep for x hrs... totalling y hrs during the day...

But then once they get to 12mths, their sleep needs vary and it becomes difficult to presecribe any sort of formula or pacakge.

So maybe little M just needs less sleep? You could be right!

I'd be trying to adjust things, every day, putting her down a little earlier, a little later, something like that, to see what affect it has on her.

Good luck hun... :hug:

When my 2 were little good day sleeps meant "better" night sleeps. I have notoriously bad sleepers in both my munchkins. My DS is now 4 and still doesn't sleep through every night. My DD sleeps better at night if she's not slept during the day but she is almost 2.5 years old now.

So how did you go Olive????

:hug: mako!

im night weaning her so she was up twice, first time it took 90 mins to get back to sleep the second time 15 mins so will see how tonight goes! she had just over 70 mins for sleep today

I'm beginning to think sleep doesn't necessarily promote sleep either. DS has always woken up during the night until this week. The only change is that he's having less sleep during the day or just one bigger sleep. He's skipping his morning sleep, sleeps 1.5 hours after lunch and last night he slep 7pm-7.30am without a single wake up. He has never done that before so you can imagine how happy that made me!!!
Tonight the same, not much sleep today but hasn't woken since he went down at 6.30 and usually he would wake every hour or so after going down.

I am finding a more relaxed day sleep 'routine' to be working for us so far. Less sleep during the day is definitely giving us more sleep at night, which is the opposite to what other people had been telling me!

It's so hard to know. DD always had a huge afternoon sleep of around 3 hours and sometimes until 5pm and would still go to bed at 7.30pm and sleep for 12 hours.

She did that until she was at least 2.

I thought, though, that 'they' reckoned most babies/toddlers need a similar amount of sleep overall. Some get some of it through a long day sleep and a shorter night sleep whereas others will get it with a shorter day sleep and longer night sleep.

Dunno TBH.

I don't know but I do know that DD2 only needs 90 min during the day and then 11 hours (7pm - 6am) overnight. DD1 needed 2 hours during the day and 12 hours at night at the same age.

DD is 19 months...since about 12 months the more sleep she got in the day the later she went to bed was IMPOSSIBLE to get to sleep and the more she was awake in the night. so we cut down from two to one sleep. Now we are going from one to no day sleeps atall! If she has an hour or so in the arvo, she is up till 9pm or later and tends to wake at about 12 then 3 then 6. If she doesnt have a sleep shes in bed by just after 7 and doesnt normally wake till about 1 then 5.

I'm exploring this too...
For Phoebe, I find that if she is overtired at night she has a less restful sleep, ITMS? If she sleeps too much in the day though it does affect her night sleep. But I really know about it if she's had too little. (ie she will go down at around 6:30 then wake at 9:30 and screeeeeeeeam and fuss - no amount of boob will calm her. Whereas if she's had too much sleep in the day she will wake frequently but at least she is calm, will happily feed and then go back to sleep.) But then, she is younger... I've no doubt it will all change in a few months :rolleyes:

DD#4 (2.5) can be a pain to get to sleep at night if she sleeps too long during the day. I have discovered that if I stop her from sleeping during the day after a few days she gets very grupmy! So I have decided to limit her day sleeps by waking her from her day sleep (if she has one). It has helped a LOT!

:)
xx

i think sleep is definately affected differently at different ages

I noticed when they were newborns upto to 8/10 mnths, they seemed to need the day sleep in order to sleep well at night...if they didnt have a good sleep duriing the day, the night would be restless and wakeful

but after 12-14 months that definately changed, they didnt seem to need (or want) the daysleep as much. They'd have shorter naps rather then the longer 2-3 hour sleeps.

by 18 months the day sleeps were almost non existent and i found that if i put them to bed early (7.30ish) they'd sleep well thru the night.

The main thing is not to expect that their pattern of sleep to stay exactly the same for the next couple of years...it changes as they grow.

My 2.5 DS has to sleep at least 2-3 hours a day. Otherwise he is cranky and has a disturbed night sleep. So for him sleep breeds sleep.

That theory hasn't worked for a long time for my DD. She seems to not need as much sleep as a baby. I am always tempted to get her to sleep more during the day bc I like the free time but I really shouldn't because the less sleep she gets of a day, the better she sleeps at night. But she still will only sleep around 9 hrs a night!! She just doesn't need as much sleep apparently, GREAT! lol.

I normally dont like to comment in these threads a I really do have a good sleeper and I can see some people are doing it really tough :grouphug:

But I think every child is different. I suppose like as adults, some can cope on 4 hours a night and others need 8 hours or look out! ;) Some are morning people, some are evening people.

I think its about finding what your child's sleep "groove" is and sticking with that.

For us, each day is different. At daycare she sleeps anywhere from 45min to 1 hour max! At home days she has anywhere from 2 to 4 hours sometimes broken into 2 sleeps or one massive one. I just try to read her signs. I think on home days she tries to catch up on her sleep she has missed out on previous days Kind of like how we do on weekends (hold on I'll re-phrase that...like we USED to before have children) LOL!

It seems regardless she still will sleep a good 12-13hours a night and its rare for me to have to get up to her. I am very fortunate especially as I am by myself in the evenings with DP working 2 jobs and only really home between midnight and 8am to sleep.

I cant tell you what the secret is as I have no idea. She has a sound machine that plays a heartbeat, some soft toys in her cot to play with and comfort her, a dummy that is attached to her so that she can easily replace it if it falls out. I have noticed if I have not attached the dummy to her at bedtime she will wake in the night crying as she cant find it and then will need a cuddle to calm down.

Anyway lots of :hug: to you and where is that sleepyvibes icon?? We need one of those :)

that sleep creates sleep theory NEVER worked for me....

i now have a 2 month old who doesn't sleep much during the day, but will sleep about 10-12 hours at night waking once or so for a feed then straight back to sleep...

i don't buy that theory working for ALL babies/toddlers.... i just don't think you can apply rules to all kids.... some definitely need less sleep...

DS - no

DD - yes

What I DO find helps sleep at night, regardless of the above, is getting outside during the day for a bit of a run around in the fresh air - at the park, backyard, walk in the pram, whatever. Outside time always seems to result in them sleeping more soundly.