J&J must have something to hide....

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February 28th, 2011, 04:25 PM
Floweryfields

J&J must have something to hide....

(Hope this is okay in here, can't see any baby product specific related areas)

I have been going through our cleaning products, creams, etc at work and the MSDS(material safety data sheets)which are used to inform how best to store/use chemicals, their ingredients, first aid etc.

I could find sheets for everything we had online, except for ANYTHING made by J&J - their website says to contact them and they will supply you with the required MSDS. Why do they make it so secretive?

I did contact them and I did get the sheets I wanted emailed to me - and wow some of them are longer than actual chemicals we use to clean- like bleach! Found it rather interesting how the no tears baby shampoo says to wash immediately if the child gets in their eyes.

I now see why people don't like J&J products for their babies!
February 28th, 2011, 04:31 PM
MrsBexie

I hate J&J and refuse to put any of their stuff on my bubs. It's evil!

And lol to the no tears comment... kinda defeats the purpose of no tears hey??
February 28th, 2011, 04:33 PM
sconeonamission

how interesting!
February 28th, 2011, 04:35 PM
Catherine

very interesting....very interesting

thanks for that
February 28th, 2011, 04:37 PM
BellyBelly

J&J have ALOT to hide. They are the WORST company to buy products from especially baby products. They are petrochemical based and petrochemical byproducts.... poison anyone? In tests, they were ranked amongst the most toxic and related to cancers. There used to be online reports somewhere, on a site about the ugly side of beauty or something....
February 28th, 2011, 04:58 PM
~ Zarava Flutterby ~

Sad isn't it that all the marketing means MOST baby products in the supermarket are J&J and the hospitals use and recommend their products.
February 28th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Floweryfields

I have to admit, I have always bought their products and was never aware of what they contained!
February 28th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Aligater

They also test on animals so thats another nail in the coffin for me I still have a heap of unused from DD1 that I got as gifts Im making a basket for my cousin of little inocent products
February 28th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Babyluv

Yuck yuck yuck! Glad the products I use are all natural and I understand what I'm reading in the ingredients list.
February 28th, 2011, 06:15 PM
NaeNae

Another reason to strongly promote smaller, all natural products to all my mummy to be friends. I have never used their stuff on DD and NEVER will.
February 28th, 2011, 06:39 PM
kimmi

it's pretty scary huh...
February 28th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Floweryfields

So tell me then, for future reference, what are the baby products that you girls use?
February 28th, 2011, 06:47 PM
Pandora

we use pear shampoo ( i think the brand is MOP), and GAIA products, qv baby balm and qv bath oil

I think any company that didnt say to wash their product out of a babies eyes, regardless of the ingredients, would be negligent.
February 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM
Miss H

QV is also made with non natural ingredients. I use MooGoo products mainly.
February 28th, 2011, 07:13 PM
~ Zarava Flutterby ~

I use one from a friend who is a naturopath, will have to ask her the name. I ran out and haven't seen her to get a new one.

It's great
February 28th, 2011, 07:34 PM
berrme

There are heaps of organic baby products available, just most of them aren't in the shops, you get them online. But that is the case with any type of organic beauty products.
I like the gaia ones, and the eco store ones that I have tried are nice too. They are both available in supermarkets. I know Sukin have a range of baby products that are quite affordable. I am planning on trying those when I run out the ones I have at the moment. I have heard the Weleda stuff is nice but haven't tried it myself.
QV aren't organic/ all natural but I am pretty sure they are free of the nastiest things (could be wrong though), and the intense moisture cream did wonders for DS1's eczema.

If you do a google search for organic baby products you will find a wide selection.
February 28th, 2011, 07:36 PM
sneakysparkle

The nicest products I have found are Miessence, Moogoo, Gaia, and theres one other I can't remember what its called but it starts with A!! Will be back when I remember it! :)
February 28th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Babyluv

I use Moogoo, I love it :)
February 28th, 2011, 07:46 PM
ellasmummy

this makes me so sad :( i use moogoo, QV or gaia on DD, but wasn't aware of J&J's ingredients until DD was well over a year old :(

she was is hossy for the first 6 months of her life, and all they had available was J&J bath stuff, moisturiser etc....so i figured if hossy uses it, it has to be good! ummmm wrong! glad I know now for this bub! goes to show what a good advertising campaign can do....
February 28th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Doing my best

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The nicest products I have found are Miessence, Moogoo, Gaia, and theres one other I can't remember what its called but it starts with A!! Will be back when I remember it! :)

Is it Aveena?

I normally use moogoo as a bath wash and cream. And Gaia shampoo.
February 28th, 2011, 07:54 PM
Tuesday's Child

I've yet to try her baby products, but I love the products from Natural Woman for my skin. I'm still working through the Gaia stuff I got given for DD, but I might grab some of natural woman's baby care products in the cloth nappy hunt.
February 28th, 2011, 07:55 PM
berrme

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goes to show what a good advertising campaign can do....

It really does, doesn't it? I always hate being at baby showers when people give the pg person a big basket of J&J products. You can't slag off the gift in front of everyone. Plus lots of people think you are being extreme. Every mum has used them for as long as there has been baby products, it can't be bad!
February 28th, 2011, 08:05 PM
tellytubby

Hmm, wow! Thanks! Never knew that!
February 28th, 2011, 08:06 PM
ellasmummy

it seems to be the standard add in to most people's baby shower gifts! I am far from being extreme or a hippy, but people - even DH, think I am over reacting or being silly when I wont buy J&J stuff to pack in hossy bag or for this bubs nursery!
February 28th, 2011, 08:11 PM
sneakysparkle

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Is it Aveena?

no its A'kin purebaby! It is devinnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeee!
February 28th, 2011, 08:27 PM
mummajj

just wondering if anyone has any experiences of J&J products negatively affecting their children. i think almost all of us were raised with these products, i know i was. and almost everyone i speak to tells me they were, when i tell them mw told me not to use powder.
i think its a case of us mothers doing better when we know better. im sure in 20 years, we will all be made to feel guilty about something we have done whilst raising our children, just as our parents are being made to feel guilty now with all the cancer revelations. kwim???

but i agree its a no brainer when it comes to products. natural is best. :)
February 28th, 2011, 08:44 PM
Rivlas

Yes, most of you would have had J&J used on you as that was all there was back them. We were also encouraged to use powder when changing a nappy.

I don't have nor had J&J in our house for years and now try and have natural products for myself and the family and the grandchildren.
There is so much available these days, there is really no need to use anything other than natural products on your children
February 28th, 2011, 08:50 PM
~Stoked~

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no its A'kin purebaby! It is devinnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeee!

Ooh this is what we use and I love love love it!!! Nothing J&J has ever touched DS's skin. I was given heaps for my baby shower but I never used it. I did, however, use one of the liquid bath soaps (the night time one I think) as a handwash in the kitchen when I ran out and I was shocked at how dry it made my hands! Shocking stuff!
February 28th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Ozziehoffy

I used J&J for Joshua... didn't know any different... also fed him jars of baby food and formula after 5 1/2 months... he did have a cloth bum though lol. So, when I was pg with Oskar, I got some J&J stuff... why wouldn't I right? Used it before and was ok.... well Oskar and Elijah both have skin a bit more like mine and get horrid dry red patches in winter mostly... so I changed and got QV oil and wash and now use Dermaveen wash with oatmeal in it... has worked so well. I don't use a separate shampoo for them, I use the wash, it's PH balanced and soap free. Elijah's hair is still as soft as a babies and he's almost 2.

Re: powder... I used it all the time with Joshua too, but not for the little ones. If I do buy it I buy the cornflour one. Although I haven't had to buy it in that many years it's not funny lol. I did used to really love the smell of a powered baby after a bath though, such a clean and fresh smell about it... or maybe it's one of those subconcious memories.
February 28th, 2011, 08:58 PM
ezymay

Its terrible J and J are so infiltrated into the hospitals!! It's so toxic, but really how are parents supposed to know better when they are all over the tv and in the hospitals??

I use moogoo, and a natural brand called Pure Earth Noosa that she makes herself.
February 28th, 2011, 09:02 PM
krysalyss

I have heard a lot about J&J but having said that MSDSs are always scary sounding!
February 28th, 2011, 09:32 PM
MrsBexie

I use bod for bubs (from health food shop). It smells amazing!!! I got the body wash and the chest rub at my baby shower. I use gaia moisturiser and skin soothing lotion which I love too! Smells so nice!
February 28th, 2011, 10:35 PM
Gigi

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So tell me then, for future reference, what are the baby products that you girls use?

look in the supermarket aisles for:
GAIA (wipes, hair care, moisturiser, bath stuff)
Ecostore (washing powder, skin care, moisturiser)
Avado (also in PriceLine) - organic sunscreen, skincare, nipple balm
Nature Babycare (wipes, shampoo)

look in health food shops for:
Moo Goo - hair care, skin care
SUKIN (also some chemists) - hair care, skin care

I used J & J baby wipes for first six weeks of bilby's life. Hospital supplied them, so i naively assumed they must be safe. WRONG. She had constant nappy rash.

The day i threw the JJ wipes OUT, adn started using the simplest thing - e.g wet flannel only - her nappy rash disappeared.

It took that to happen, before i discovered an ingredient in jj wipes called PROPYLENE GLYCOL. i then actively avoided that ingredient in EVERYTHING i put on her body (skincare, haircare, what i washed her clothing and bedding in).

my criteria became to buy products WITHOUT
- perfume (amazing how many non-perfumed products, list parfum in the ingredients list!!)
- parabens (cheap preservative that causes skin irritations in some people)
- colour
- propylene glycol
- sodium laureth sulphate (cheap stuff that makes bubbles in shampoo, toothpaste)
and CHUCK OUT anything in bathroom cabinet that did have these things.
I threw out SO MUCH stuff.
But the three of us stopped itching.

my midwife said to ONLY bathe bilby in WATER and nothing else, for first 12 months of life. so that's what i did.
but from after one, i used the organic baby products, as in my supermarket/health food shop list.

back then, moogoo was ONLY available online.

i have noticed a trend in last few years, more products are becoming available that say "sls free, paraben free". and i'm starting to see bamboo products too e.g bamboo hair brushes at kmart, bamboo makeup brushes at PriceLine. glad to see more natural options, even in chain shops.

THis is the FOURTH TIME i have added formatting (lots of returns, to make paragraphs, i hope it doesn't revert back to one big para again, makes it so hard to read, can't work out why this is happening to my posts all of a sudden - apologies to anyone reading).
February 28th, 2011, 11:50 PM
kimmi

I love natural products all the way. I won't say here (because I'm not trying to advertise) but I make my own natural skin care products, all by hand using only natural ingredients. Just launched my website actually :) YAY
March 1st, 2011, 12:42 AM
Nelle

Mmm, I'm wary of J&J too. I've used Gaia on my little guys from birth. Well, only water for baths, but I like Gaia's skin soothing lotion, works well on my lads. I remember one of them had a dry face and was not impressed at the smell of the moisturising lotion right under his nose (and fair enough) so I got some Aromababy stuff too. The moisturiser smells faintly of oats (which he much preferred), and I love the smell of the bath lotion...it's so nice but not full on.

There seem to be varying degrees of natural and organic products out there, but most of those options seem a heck of a lot better to me than J&J.
March 1st, 2011, 01:22 AM
LimeSlice

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I have heard a lot about J&J but having said that MSDSs are always scary sounding!

Always!

Having said that though, if the product you are smothering your child in NEEDS a MSDS, stop using it!!
March 1st, 2011, 04:03 AM
*becstar*

I use Aromababy, beautiful stuff! I also cringe when a basket of J&J is given to a new mummy.......nooooooo!