I keep seeing the advert for the chic mint krusher at KfC are these safe to have while pg? I know about soft serve and stuff but not sure about these can anyone help? Thanks
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I keep seeing the advert for the chic mint krusher at KfC are these safe to have while pg? I know about soft serve and stuff but not sure about these can anyone help? Thanks
If it has soft serve in it I would avoid it. I just made my own smoothies and milkshakes at home.
To be honest... I think the only reason they say soft serve is not recommended is because of the risk of food poisoning... Now seriously how likely do you think that is lol? If you listen to everything they tell you not to eat you will be literally eating crackers and cheese (oh, maybe not the cheese lol). I say just enjoy your pregnancy and eat what you want to eat! Obviously, with using your common sense for the more dangerous foods hehe. I ate everything I wanted to eat when I was pregnant and enjoyed every minute of it! So I say go for it ;)
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I had one last night ;)
They have fruit ones that are dairy free and pretty good too.
Anything is moderation is fine. Im sure your body will tell you if its off when you start drinking it. I personally cant stand them.. but thats me lol I cant handle the drink with bits in it.. my mouth gets all confused with what to do! That being said... I have eaten loads of things on the "do no eat" list. Just about being sensible. You know, dont get one from a KFC that looks dirty etc.
Enjoy :)
Personally I probably wouldn't. I think what you need to do is weigh up the risk. If you do that, and are prepared to accept potential negative consequences of your choice, then go for it!
The risk isn't food poisoning, it is listeria. You would not "taste" listeria in food. As it is very difficult to actually sterilize the machines that dispense the shakes, even though they may have been cleaned, there is a high risk of listeria bacteria accumulating within the tubes of the machine.
It's not made of soft serve ;)
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Oops! Thanks Teni! Maybe I need to get me down to KFC to try one :lol: in the interests of research, of course :p
I wouldn't & I so desperately want to try the choc mint ones.
It's not the actual soft serve that is the concern, but the cleanliness of the pipes it goes through in the machine. My concern would be that the crushers is made in a similar type machine so there is milk going through pipes as well & the risk of listeria is increased if the pipes are not immaculately cleaned. You also have the concern of not knowing how long the milk has been sitting in the dispenser & it's kept at the right temperature at all times.
They're more frappe than shake - I'm pretty sure they don't contain any soft serve, they're just milk and blended ice (and therefore, are gross, I have sensitive teeth and can't stand all those chunks of ice in my mouth) :) Go for it!
I've had a couple (the different flavours) and I was fine, with the exception of that whole KFC is like a hooker psychological thing - good idea at the time but after you just feel dirty. :rofl:
But I've also had sushi, soft cheese, deli meats, and basically everything else they tell you not to have with the exception of raw seafood - and I haven't had a single problem. Not even so much as bad gas. Nothing. And the babies? Coming along swimmingly.
I think it comes down to knowing what your body can take, and knowing what risks you're willing to take. I ate all those things regularly pre-pregnancy, so I know they don't affect me, and most importantly I know where to get good quality stuff. My GP levelled with me way back when I was about 6 weeks and she said: 'Just don't eat anything out of your normal routine, and don't eat anything strange you haven't tried before. If you stop eating all the things they tell you not to eat, you'll starve.'
So, if you just ask whats in it, and its all stuff you've had before, I'd try one. If you don't feel completely fine physically after, don't have it again, and let OB know. Simple.
Listeria is what causes a really bad type of food poisoning. I think if the machines were dirty and that much of a risk to cause such serious problems they wouldn't be so widely available and everyone would have serious health problems which would have had to be looked into, so people relax! Haha ;) hope you enjoy!
And I totally agree with the poster above - well said!
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Listeria CAN cause bad food poisoning but not always.....the mother can have no symptoms but the baby can be seriously affected and even die...now the risk of that is low about 1 in 20,000 but it is still there....it's up to you make the informed decision on what risks you are willing to take...:
I don't know why people think Listeria isn't a risk in pregnancy??
It is rare but it is risky. Only heat destroys listeria.
I have to agree emc2, it is rare but still risky.
The thing with listeriosis is that it doesn't usually affect adults too much more than giving them a few few like symptoms, so you could've very well had it without knowing. Plus you could have listeriosis and feel ok, but have disasterous affects on the baby.
Yep never did I say its not risky! A risk every Mum should evaluate at their discretion. My point was if we were to avoid EVERYTHING that *could* pose a listeria risk, you'd never eat out in that case iykwim.
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I ate out a quite a bit.
In fact it's not something I could usually afford to do but I went out a bit more than usual. The meals were better as I kept ordering vegetables instead of salad, I think I had some of the best steamed vegies and hot side dishes I'd ever had, rather than salad.
I felt guilty for enjoying the odd soft-serve based bevarage here and there when pg. Then I remembered that back in the dim dark ages, there wasn't a whole encyclopedia of 'foods you shouldn't eat while pregnant'. And lots of babies were born back then too :) Ok, a little simplistic, I know the risk is there, but almost every daily activity carries a small risk of something diastrous with it. That's life I suppose.
My mum lived on Maccas soft serve while pregnant with me, and both my sister and I have craved Maccas thickshakes during pregnancies. I indulge every once in awhile (until diagnosed with GD at 29 weeks), but waited until I was past 13 weeks in my pregnancy. Same every once in awhile with salami etc. I make sure with deli meats from a good butcher.
I no longer work there but did when krushers launched back on the day. Procedures don't often change but this is my take from 18m ago.
The milk mix IS definitely considered a soft serve, but it is 'diluted' per se as it is not supposed to be thick like a soft serve.
For those that have mentioned the cleanliness of the materials - I can't guarantee anyone follows the procedures BUT the mix is thrown out at the end of each day and the machines are almost completely disassembled. All inner parts that come off of the machine are required to be sanitized over night in a proper sanitizing solution and boiled water. The only part that cannot be taken off is washed with soapy water - when the machines are put together in the morning they are sanitized with mixers on etc for 15 mins prior to new mix being made. This means that the part that cannot disassemble is still appropriately sanitized.
I have only worked with a pizza hut soft serve machine but from memory the parts on that particular machine were not able to be disassembled for anywhere near as effective cleaning.
If a store is performing their procedures correctly I would say they are definitely safe and I would choose a krusher over a mcshake.
But again it is one those things you have to make the choice about!!
rules schmules - everything in moderation is fine!!!
i have had heaps during my pregnancy!!
I'm sorry, but I had to respond...:
I don't think it is a case of "rules schmules". There is a reason these guidelines have been developed, and it's not just to rain on the parade of pregnant women. The reality is every year babies die due to listeria. That this number has fallen over the years is, at least partially due to the fact that women are better educated not to eat high risk food.
What people do is their own business but I personally don't think it is something to take lightly. And, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it might not happen to someone else. You can drive down a street while drunk and not crash but that doesn't mean that you should drink drive IYKWIM.
Really, when it comes to things like listeria, "everything in moderation" does not really apply.
can i not have an opinion like anyone else in this thread?
pretty sure im not the only person that has said moderation is fine!
and might i add, n2l, that my dr said the only thing i *shouldnt* eat is soft cheeses, so pardon me, i will listen to my dr!
I think for me when it comes to skirting the rules of safe eating during pregnancy it's about minimising the chances - for example, if I'm going to be naughty and slightly undercook my egg, it's in my own home, I know the eggs are fresh and have been handled properly. Rather than buying a bacon and egg sanger from the local deli that's been sitting in a bain marie that I haven't seen prepared or prepared myself. Or I'll cook up my own potato salad rather than the pre-prepared gunk they sell in shopping centre food courts. Tastes better anyway and means I can use mayo that's been pasteurised and is safe.
It does make eating out a little problematic sometimes, but it really comes down to being sensible and avoiding anything that's completely dodgy.
Of course you are entitled to have an opinion. But in expressing it you should expect there are others who may not share that opinion. Similarly, you can listen to only your doctor's advice if you wish, but you may like to know the recommended list of things to avoid during pregnancy is much more wide than "soft cheeses".:
You may like to share the following document with your doctor...
Listeria - Food Standards Australia New Zealand
Alish I think the reason your post was commented on was more the fact that a "rules schmules" comment implies that you think the rules are silly & a waste of time (or at least that's how it reads to me). Opinions are one thing but dismissing the opinions of others in something entirely different.
i never dismissed anyones opinions!! they were my own!! i never singled anyone out!!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im so sick of this forum!!!!! you cant write anything without being attacked or someone accusing you of saying the wrong thing!!!!
Alish it's not that you are saying the wrong thing - if you feel that is how it applies to you personally then that is great but for the safety & understanding of other members it is a GOOD thing that people jumped in to highlight the seriousness of listeriosis. The forum is a means of education as well for those who arent fortunate enough to have doctors who are clued in and give the right advice.
I am a little more blasé than I should be about food because as a PP said if I cut out everything I wouldn't eat, but when it comes down to it I minimize the risk as much as possible and I am informed.
The crux of the issue is that listeriosis is a danger and yes while moderation can be okay when applying how safe you choose to be when it comes to food, it is so important that the people have 'jumped down your throat' do, in order to ensure there is awareness for others who may be reading.
I understand your frustration but in the end, having many of us disagree on here in this way IS good because it educates.
I'd have to agree with Alish personally, I think Its been taken way too far. I even felt a little attacked in this thread for no real reason!
Ladies my goodness we were talking about crushers lol! Lighten up, at least we don't live in some third world country where there is contamination everywhere!
Hope you all have a lovely night and can agree to disagree on this one ;)
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+1. I said pretty much the same thing just in more words, so when I see people attacking someone else of the same school of thought I feel kind of attacked too!:
High school is over ladies - let's be adults and agree to disagree, and do so respectfully. If someone expresses that they're feeling attacked then let up, they clearly get the point. There is no need to make them feel like crap, we are all beyond that. :shakehead:
*Unsubscribes*
Uummmmm who was attacked? Saying you disagree with someone and explaining why is far from attacking behaviour. I thought we were respectfully disagreeing :dunno:
Dragoncookie thanks for your input that's what I was after the ingredients that make up the mix I work at HJ's and know about listeria and soft serve machines. Everytime I asked at KfC no one could give me at 4 different stores.
alish/danni, have to agree with you as well, were all these 'rules' about when our mothers were pregnant with us? and we are still alive... i have to say i was pretty anal about what i ate ect before 12 weeks but after that, whatever! way too much pressure is put on pregnant woman, dont eat this dont eat that, what about druggo mothers and mothers who smoke? and we need to be worried about eating a bit of deli meat and a soft serve ice cream? yes listeria can happen but so can a lot of other things.. you have to be careful to an extent but no need to lock yourself in your house making sure u eat and cook everything perfectly
Listeria really is a different risk in its own category. You really need to read up on it to put it in context.
When Mum had me it was in the mid 1970's.
Just in the time I've been an adult, eating out has changed in that time, particularly regarding salads, there's a proliferation of side salads everywhere you eat out these days. The problem with Listeria is it isn't killed by refrigeration, only by heat.
I must be a crazy woman then because I avoided all the high risk foods. I just couldn't take any risks that were easily avoidable. I'm sure those babies born to addict parents have battles ahead of them from the start, poor little things.
I wonder if there were more babies dying of listeria back when our mums had babies, when the guidelines were more flexible? I'd assume so otherwise why would the list of high risk foods be more extensive now. I can't imagine the guidelines have been developed to be cruel to us and make us suffer while we are pregnant. It's what's best for our babies.
Dragoncookie - I agree, I've worked in fast food before and know the procedures they have in place re: cleanliness. Listeria is taken very seriously.
Alish - Of course you can have an opinion. I feel like you've been singled out for a remark that several of us have made, (including me) just in different words. :hug:
Cranky Kitten - I agree. Be educated, and minimise the risk, but don't lock yourself in a dungeon wrapped in cotton wool 'just in case'. That's no way to live.
N2L - Maybe you should take your own advice on this one? Not everyone is going to agree with you, and I feel like you're being really forceful with your own opinion. It's fine to disagree, but to resort to singling out another member is kind of lame. I often find your comments upsetting, but that could be the way I'm reading them too. You may think you're having a polite debate, but some might not take it the way you mean it. My thread yesterday is a great example for this. Sometimes we don't read things the way they're 'meant' to come across.
Danni & StrawberryFields - I agree. Chill out, people.
I just want to say that this used to be a place for women to share, laugh, and support eachother. Nowadays it's feeling more and more like there is a small percentage of people spoiling the fun by getting rather narky over small issues. Like the wording of a particular comment. Some of us feel the need to bust out the textbooks and google madly and start posting links to 'educate' those of us who are too dim-witted to agree with them. I find behaviour such as this really patronizing, and totally offensive. Yes it's important to get the right information out there, but nobody was saying anything in absolute terms. Merely giving their own opinions on how THEY would approach the issue.
I think it's important to remember that behind each little avvy is a real person, and reading emotion into text is HARD. So let's all take a chill pill and relax. Do we really need to get all riled up over a bloody milkshake? Seriously?!
Back on topic....
I steered clear of anything that could possibly contain soft serve last pregnancy and I'm doing the same this time but I take, what some would refer to as 'risks', with other foods and drinks I have during my pregnancies. I'll also admit that thick shakes and soft serves aren't something I'd normally eat/drink so I don't feel like I'm missing out IYKWIM. I have eaten the odd piece of soft cheese though because I love it, I eat it often when not pregnant and I feel comfortable eating Aussie cheese which a pasturised. Some wouldn't, I do - that's my own calculated risk.
Listeria is very, very rare these days but yes, it still can happen. I have several friend's who are midwives and only one (actually my friend's mum) who has seen a listeria case first hand in recent years so all the education to pregnant women must be having some effect. The mother she looked after (who was fine and the baby survived) had eaten chicken from a popular fast food restaurant. For memory she'd eaten it a day later, so cold out of the fridge.
The other case I'm aware of was just a few years ago. It happened to my friend's sister after eating freshly cooked prawns at their parents house :o Yes, who would have thought. Once again, both mother and baby were fine after a stint in hospital.
So it can and does still occur but it is rare. Being aware of the risks and making choices you're happy with is really all that matters.
Totally agree :):
I was really cautious at the beginning of my pregnancy with listeria risk food. But after that magical 12 week mark I realised I wasn't eating much if at all. So I've been eating a few things on the 'naughty list' such as ham (in date and heated into toasties) no soft cheese here mainly because I don't like it lol. I've only been eating these bad items in moderation and I'm very careful where I eat them. For example, runny eggs I have on toast at home because I know I have a clean kitchen.
As for soft serve... I haven't been brave enough yet but its been one of my cravings. So no doubt ill tuck into one soon lol I'm sure if its in moderation it should be ok, but that's only my opinion anyway and not everyone will see how I see it.
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