Hep B vaccination at birth for infants

For those who chose to accept the Hep B vaccination for your baby, did you defer it to the 2 month vaccinations or did you do it immediately?

There is an interesting discussion on the midwifery list I am in, talking about how midwives have noticed Hep B injected bubs are more unsettled for around 48 hours and have more breastfeeding problems than bubs who are not. There is apparently some research into this somewhere, I will try and dig it up.

You can choose to defer Hep B vaccinations until the 2 month mark, when vaccinations start and go from there, should you choose to vaccinate, its in the birth preferences template I offer clients and they generally all choose that, they didn't know they could choose to do it that way.

Matilda had her first HepB at 2 months, Jovie I think we will wait a bit longer. We were thinking around that maybe between 6mths-1yr we would consider HepB and polio... but still undecided as to which vaccinations she will have.

We ended up doing it at the hospital - I think it was 3 days? No probs breastfeeding or anything here. He wasn't unsettled either.

I'd probably wait next time, just coz you can. hehe. How do you know if there's a risk in the family or whatever?

i just did it with my first 2 coz they told me it was recommended:( they were both fine and great feeders. jade was fully vaxed.bree had her 2 months vaccinations then no more since.im considering not getting it done at all for this one but need to research it more first.

Oooh, Kelly, I'd love a copy of that if you can find it. I want to defer the HepB for this baby, even though the other three had it, cause we aren't in a high risk group so I dodn't see the need to get it done right away.

There is some information here: http://www.visainfo.org.au/

Apparently the woman who runs the site is the most up-to-date on all things Hep B. I don't know when the site was last updated but I would assume it was some time after 2002. Might email her for more info, to see what the latest is. None the less, I would rather birth be a time of less vaccinations anyway.

Thanks for the link Kelly. Checking it out now.

ETA - Caro, even though the article is old, I don't see how the information in it could have dated at all having read it.

Some of the statistics refer to studies in 2002 so it would have been after that.

I don't think the vaccinations have changed, they are still the same vaccinations with the same side effects etc.

Caro, this particular resource was suggested on a midwifery list as being the person who is most up-to-date on hep b stuff so I thought I would share. Feel free to email her if you want more updated info.

If you defer it.. is there paperwork with doing that at the hospital? And does it defer the other hepB needles too? Coz I think it's in the first 3 scheduled needles isn't it? (I can't be bothered looking for our blue book hehe)

I didn't want to give W the Hep B shot at birth. I didn't see the point as he would only be around us and we don't have it. I wanted to defer but DH said "Maybe he should have it" and I relented.

Later on he said "It says here he's had the Hep B vac" and I said "Yes, that was your choice!" I should have stuck to what I wanted.

I planned to let him have it down the track because I really didn't see any need for it until he was looking at going into childcare.

We were definitely given a clear choice (either now or later). It was never presented as being something they had to have right off.

You have to sign a consent form in hospital to have it done. So you just need to tell them you will defer, or not do it at all.

I have been thinking too about risk groups etc, I have been vaccinated for HepB years ago cause I was a dental nurse, so does the baby get protected via my antibodies for it or does it not work like that?

Here is a bit I found:

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Hepatitis B vaccine

The universal vaccination of infants with Hepatitis B vaccine has raised some alarming concerns -

• A 1999 study concluded that "The increase in the number of cases of unexplained neonatal fever seems to be associated with the introduction of routine hepatitis B vaccination on the first day of life". (60)

• Midwives have found that the birth dose of vaccine can interfere with successfully establishing breastfeeding as a result of common side-effects such as irritability, decreased appetite, fever, pain and persistent crying. (61)

• In America adverse reactions to Hepatitis B vaccine (including deaths), outnumbered cases of Hepatitis B in children by 14 to 1. This lead to the 1999 Congressional Hearings to investigate its safety.

"An intelligent and conscientious physician might well recommend AGAINST hepatitis B vaccine, especially in newborns, unless a baby is at unusual risk because of an infected mother or household contact or membership in a population in which disease is common." (62)

60. Linder N., et al, Unexplained fever in neonates may be associated with hepatitis B vaccine, Arch Dis Child Fetal Neonatal Ed, Nov1999; 81: F206-207

61. Sandra Eales, Hep B Vaccination at birth - just another barrier to breast feeding , Australian Midwifery, December 2003; 16(4): 4&5

62. Statement of the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons to the Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy, and Human Resources of the Committee on Government Reform U.S. House of Representatives, 1999

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You have to remember with studies, they only get financed to do studies once, once it's done, its done and there are no second chances due to $$ involved.

Midwives are still today noticing breastfeeding and settling differences, not for every baby of course, but enough to make them notice.

Please excuse me if i seem a bit thick with this.

So, is it better to wait to mabey the day i leave the hossy to have this done instead of the day bubs is born? - Can i do that?
Im not too sure on having it on the day she comes, but im not too sure on waiting for tow months either.

I'm pretty sure you can do it later... maybe ask the hospital & check on their policy. Our hospital said that we could have it done at the same time as the heal ***** test if we wanted, but we defered.

Jenna and Hamish both got theirs done at birth. Jenna was about 3hrs after she was born, Hamish was about 12hrs or so. Hamish wasn't a great feeder before or after the jab, so I dont think it made any difference. Jenna was a super feeder - very enthusiastic!! OUCH! ;)

All mine have had it at the hospital. Eleanor had hers on day 3 not sure about Kimberley and Alexander due to them being in special care longer.

I will be getting bubs done as we are travelling VERY soon after...
As my Dh is Balinese & is classed as high risk we are advised to have it done, maddy has hers done with her 1st immunisations (not at birth in hossy) & Indah was done on the day after her birth. Maddy was not a good feeder & Indah was!

But due to the high risk category I will have it done before leaving the hospital.

The young girl opposite me when i had Indah, put hers off til day 4 of her sons life as it was the day they were going & she said I am happy to have it done this morning now!! So I am sure you can ask it be done in a few days...

Lol, Fi.

Here I am Shannon :D

You can give Hep B if and when you want to. The immunisation schedule is a guideline only - you can adapt it to suit yourself, but I would strongly advise on doing lots of research on the pros and cons. Zain hasn't had the Hep B, and won't for a while as we aren't high risk.

There is lots and lots of info out there. Try and find unbiased studies that haven't been financed by drug companies if you can.

My reasons for deferring are that I think that injecting a baby with a virus and all the other ingredients like aluminium hydroxide, aluminium phosphate and 2-phenoxyethanol ( 2-Phenoxyethanol (2-PE) is a chemical substance presently used as a preservative in several vaccines. 2-PE contains phenol, which has the ability to inhibit phagocyte activity, meaning it is toxic to all cells. The phenol in 2-PE is capable of disabling the immune system's primary response mechanism. It can also cause systemic poisoning, headache, shock, weakness, convulsions, kidney damage, cardiac failure, kidney failure, or death. 2-PE also contains ethylene oxide, which is an irritant causing dermatitis, burns, blisters, and eczema) at all, let alone at or directly after birth is dangerous and unnecessary.

The info on 2-PE was copied and pasted

Hep B isn't normally done immediately after birth though, so I think you would need to defer it more than just a few days for the suggested benefits, if thats what you wanted to do it for. Establishing breastfeeding can take some time too.

BUGGER

I did a massive post and deleted it!! Aaaargh, I hate that.

Okay to cut a long story short, the vaccine brand that most Australian hospitals use is H-B Vax II by MSD and contains formaldehyde, aluminium, borax and potassium thiocyonate. Google these for more info. Toxic poisons that are injected into our babies bloodstreams at or very soon after birth when there is a next to nothing chance that you're baby will contract Hep B unless you are in a high risk category.

That was much shorter than the original, but I have tired fingers, lol

ETA, Kel, I went home within 4 hours with Layla and she had the Hep B before that :( That was before I knew the risks.

Really dumb question i know but, what about the vitamin k injection? I know my DD was given this straight after birth - is this one ok?

Shell, the brand currently used in most hospitals is Konakion MM and contains Hydrochloric Acid, which is toxic and a possible teratogen. All my kids have had this, as I didn't know about it until recently.

I could be wrong, don't quote me! But just what I would assume. :)

Natalie do you want me to bring back your post?

*hugs*
Cailin

Can you, please - it had info about another vaccine in it and an ingredient that I had copied and pasted. That would be great Cai, thank you :)

ETA Okay, just noticed it wasn't that much longer - gee I can waffle on, lol....

Very interesting!

Louis had his injection on day 2 with his heel ***** test just before we left the hospital...I have already signed the form for the same to be done with Dylan after he arrives...

It certainly makes you wonder why there's so much rubbish in the vaccines...very scary really!

There is a lot of research on most vaccinations out there. Some of it is valid research with a good study size, others are not so good (they all get rated). We asked our midwife about any effect on the baby compared to babies who don't have the Hep B and she said she personally hasn't noticed an effect. She mentioned there was one research paper that stated it can make breastfeeding more difficult but it was a small study and inconclusive. She also said that it has to be your informed decision, but if there is no high risk then it is up to you. Also, if you do choose to have your baby vaccinated straight away, they will get a total of 4 injections instead of the standard 3, not sure why, maybe something to do with a baby's immune system. Whatever decision you choose to make is the right decision for you and your child. Vitamin K again needs to be your decision, but is highly recommended as babies are born with low levels of this and it is needed to assist with blood clotting. It can prevent very serious complications that may not be picked up until it is too late. It has to be your personal decision. We are probably going to withhold Hep B as we are a low risk and baby won't be attending child care for a while, but we will defintitely be giving vit K - better to be safe than sorry.