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Is it really bad like their other products with all the bad stuff in them?
I have some here, want to give DD a massage but have no Olive Oil atm. Have lots of Johnsons stuff I got as gifts :rolleyes: which I'm not using. The ingredients just say mineral oil and fragrance.
Should I use some or just wait and get some olive oil?
I dont use anything like that on my kids, and would wait.... ;)
But I dont think it would hurt babe... :D
It is not very nice really, mineral oil is a by product of the petroleum industry from what I understand so not something I am comfortable putting on my DD.
You could use any vegetable oil, (Not peanut oil if you have that in the cupboard due to the peanut/allergy link!!) or just a basic basic sorbelene....
ETA: just a nice massage without oil might do the trick?
Righto, chucking that one in the bin too. Thanks girls!
Good idea!!! i used it on B and she came out in a rash everywhere! dont recommend it at all!!!
I'd steer way clear of ANY J&J products. Also, their caps aren't childproof (well when I saw it in the media not long ago). A baby had inhaled some of it and its fatal if they do. See if I can find the story online for you.
The Dangers of Baby Oil
And as well as that, petroleum based products are SOOOO bad for newborn, let alone any, skin. Yuk.:
Toxicologist Dr Naren Gunja from NSW Poisons Information Centre at Westmead Hospital says most parents don't realise the danger.
"Once the child has ingested it depending on how much they ingest then it could be too late. Over a period of time, the child can die," says Dr Gunja.
"It is a gradual process that can take several days, two weeks to die."
i was told not to use vegetable oil by a pharmacist once, cant remember why. they said to use olive oil. i would just use sorbolene.
Sorbolene is also petrochemical products, I would go something organic for sensitive, delicate newborn skin.
if bubs accidently inhales any of that stuff it's fatal, will coat the inside of the lungs leading to a very slow death via suffocation. There is nothing they can do to fix it.
No baby oils in this house, especially not J&J, might as well rub petrol on them.
How dissappointing, I didnt know that ALL j&j products were bad. I really love the pink cream for cleaning bums when they are little. I guess I will throw it away for the next bub. What about their powder? The cornstarch one is so soft and smells lovely.
What Are You Feeding Your Family's Skin?
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We know that what we put on our skin enters the body - if it didn't, how do you explain the success of hormone replacement and nicotine patches? Take a look at the packaging of products you use and read the ingredient listing. You may find you need a chemistry degree to understand them. Do you really believe they are safe for you and your family?
Thanks for all the info everyone! I didn't know it could be fatal, how bloody stupid for something you put on your baby!!
I knew all the J&J stuff was bad and told ppl but they still bought it for me, what a waste coz I haven't used any of it. Thought the oil might be ok coz it didn't say many ingredients but nope that one's going too!
i got so many j & j products from people... i am talking about 8 bottles of stuff. Do you think rather than throwing it i could just use them on me or are they bad for everyone?
ubba: I wouldn't use powder on bubs. They can inhale that too, which is dangerous. And any talc on the nappy region for girls is bad news - talc has links with cervical cancer. It does smell nice and I've heard people use it in their shoes for foot odour!
Heaven: I got given loads of the stuff as well. It's such a waste! A friend did a course in baby massage and was expressly told the only thing NOT to use for babies is mineral (baby) oil! Go figure.
Ali: Do you have sensitive skin? Personally, I'm not too fussed about what I put on my skin, so I'd probably use it (the soaps, not the powder or the oil). But then my skin isn't sensitive like my DD's is. The fragrances in the J&J stuff gave her horrific eczema.
Its such a minefield when you begin to look into it isn't it! I wasn't aware that sorbelene had a bad origin also.. alas.
I would be interested to know why vegetable oil is not recommended for babies as I can't think of a logical reason from my knowledge. It is generally recommended for general massage along with olive oil, just not great because of the viscosity in comparison to something like almond oil.
After all of this, to think, all you wanted to do was give your baby a massage! Amazing to think it is a bigger issue than it looks at face value ;)!
MINERAL OIL = MAN MADE SH*T
its not good .. bin it now ..
sesame is perfect to use in massage . use pure cold pressed organic oil .... and dont use olive oil or anyother food grade oil . it is too think and will coat the skin and will stop the vitamins absorbing in to the skin it will also bloc pores and could cause irratations ...
if you want to massge bub , you can use a cream until you get something suitable ... just keep applying it if it runs out ...
please note , if you want a sleepy content baby .. do not massage a baby under 5 mths AFTER a bath , it will be too stimulationg resulting in a cranky over stimulated bub rather than a warm content bundle ...
try to massage baby in the moments after they first wake up from a nap ..and not just before a nap ..
also if you want a realxing massage use DOWNWARD strokes ... eg HIP TO ANKLE not ANKEL TO HIP ..
downward strokes are following the flow of blood and wont over excite ..
if you place your hands on babys chest , you will see a response .. if they are happy and looking at you its ok to massage that area . if their arms are moving in and away from the body , dont massage thier chest ...
ummm what else ... and no essential oils , if you massageing a baby under 12 mths ... it interferes with the bonding process thats occouring .... and it can be too strong for them ..
lastly .. do use an oil on your baby that you would be OK with if baby injested it ... ..
but oils made for injesting are not OK to massage with ... does that make sense .. ??
hth ...
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Sesame oil is the best and organic is even better! Ds smelt like a yummy bird after his massages :)
And J&J is icky stuff never touched my babies bum and never will! But each to their own :)
it's not just the bottles and tubes either:
the supermarket baby wipes are a mindfield too, the levels of fragrance in the "fragrance free" ones! 99% of the brands use propylene glycol. One brand that doesn't, uses sodium laureth sulphate.
the only one i will use (sparingly) is the Nature Babycare Wipes.
even if you are using disposable nappies, to clean your baby's bottom, with a wet facewasher (just water) is so much safer.
if you can't face the thought of poo on facewashers, just do it with the wee nappies.
you'll save heaps of money, and there will be less chemicals on your baby's bottom.
and the amount of chemicals in disposable nappies! OMG, don't get me started!
poor babies!
all this stuff that is marketed so aggressively to new parents
we assume that's it's illegal to sell products that are dangerous to baby's - how i wish that were the case!
The midwife at the hossy suggested if baby gets nappy rash or is sensitive from wipes just getting a big roll of disposable chux cloths and wet with water, these can then be washed in the machine or just chucked out and arent too expensive and good for bub's bottom! I thought that was a good idea
Oh I didn't know Olive Oil wasn't good. Haven't used any yet but I'd read it was the best thing to use.
I was reading the thread on Baby Massage.
What about the GAIA baby massage oil??
Sound ok?:
A pure oil that has been formulated in consultation with therapists from the Infant Massage Australia, who advise that pure sweet almond oil is all you need to massage your baby with.
Our sweet almond oil is combined with a hint of certified organic lavender and certified organic chamomile pure essential oils to provide you with a beautiful oil to use on your newborn, baby and toddler.
GAIA Natural Baby Massage Oil is mineral oil free so it will absorb beautifully into your baby's skin and wont clog pores or cause irritation.
Our beautiful massage oil can be used on your skin as well and will completely absorb leaving you with a gorgeous glow and NO greasy residue.
Sesame and almond oil worry me as they are allergens. My DD is allergic to almonds, so I wouldn't use it if you have allergies of any sort in your fam. Im using Olive Oil as I've been told by my kenisiologist its' the best thing to use. xo
almond oil is OK , and as for allergens , well anything can be allergens last night i fed my consiptated DD prunes and her lips and the area around them swelld up and became very red !! ...
i have studied Infant massage and in a week or so about to become certified in teaching infant massage .. I will try dig up my notes on oils ...
seeing as GAIA is organic cold pressed almond oil , its fine to use , but the ess oils arent necessary .. but its not going to harm any one kwim ... if thats what you got than , use it .. at least you know its safe ...
Wow.. I had no idea.
I was given so much J&J stuff. I had no idea it was bad, it was given to me by other parents, so I've been using the shampoo and lavendar baby bath.
It's kind of scary how something like that can be marketed and make people believe its okay..
What would be a better approach for those two.. They're the only J&J products I have. I only ever used those two and the soothing naturals cream.
I feel so bad now for not knowing.
Tam, I don't think they're necessarily bad. (The baby oil and powder are bad news IMO, but the soaps are ok.) It is only that they contain fragrances that can irritate sensitive skin. If your baby's skin doesn't react badly to it, then it should be fine - that's my take on it anyway.
My daughter gets eczema on her chest and shoulders and the J&J fragrances really set her off. We use GAIA wash instead and it seems far more gentle on her skin. I get that from the supermarket. It's not cheap but I don't use much at a time and it's readily available.
Thats kind of a little relief.
I have the oil and powder, but I've never used them. I always was worried about DD inhaling the baby powder, so it got relocated to the not used shelf. The baby oil was under doctors orders for cradle cap, but I could never bring myself to use it. The cradle cap went away naturally anyway.
Thinking about it though, I might use something more natural when we have another one til they're a bit older.
For the cradle cap, Moogoo is a winner! (All natural stuff, available online. Good for eczema too.) Course as you say, if it doesn't bother them there's no reason why you have to bust your butt to get rid of it.