Delayed vax schedule questions

**LionsandBears** · November 11th, 2013, 11:55 AM

I'm interested in knowing how others have delayed vaccinations and the effect on bubs. We're coming up for the first lot and I'm not keen on having all those toxins introduced in one hit. The pertussis vax is very important to me, despite it being only 70% or so effective. I still need to research the rest. However, we're refusing the Hep B. As it's in one of the main shots, I need to work out how to vax against the other stuff without Hep B.

apparently the adult pertussis booster can be used on bubs, just adjusted for weight. Has anyone done this?

**Heaven** · November 11th, 2013, 12:17 PM

We delayed vaccinations. To get pertussis the smallest you can get is DTPa+Polio. HTH

**LionsandBears** · November 11th, 2013, 02:08 PM

What age did you get different vax's at?

**LionsandBears** · December 4th, 2013, 08:32 AM

In case anyone else is interested:

we we worked out a vax schedule with a council vax nurse. It means more visits, but there is time between doses.

we start with the DTpa+polio this week, rotavirus next week, pneumococcal the following week, HIB in the new year and then about 2 a month until bub is 7 months old. That will take us up to the end of the 6 month schedule, excluding Hep B.

i was really pleased she went to the trouble to work it out for us. Hopefully, DS is ok with it.

**Cassius2** · December 4th, 2013, 08:43 AM

yay! awesome thst they had time for you

it also means more visits for us, but it is worth it in our case. DD3 has had a crap reaction to infanarix and the prevenar13 coupled so we are in the process of working out better gaps. at the moment she is currently at a 6 month scedule (minus the rotavirus).

**CinderToriella** · December 4th, 2013, 08:47 AM

I notice a lot of people don't get rotavirus . Can anyone tell me your reasons if you didn't ,?

We do delayed vax

**Heaven** · December 4th, 2013, 09:51 AM

What age did you get different vax's at?

Sorry L&B I missed this. We didn't actually start until 2 yrs.

**HotI** · December 4th, 2013, 10:59 AM

One vax is every week is still quite a lot. I can't remember the source, but remember hearing that a 2 week minimum is recommended between vaxes to allow the body to react and recover. Some children take a week to recover from a vax. Not trying to put a dampner, but if you find your LO does have reactions, remember you can always take a bit longer to get them all done.

#1 had two doses of rotavirus vax, and got quite sick each time. Easily a week of yucky poos, fatigue, unsettled.. For this reason, i didn't give it to #2, and won't for #3 either.

**CinderToriella** · December 4th, 2013, 01:27 PM

Yup I have been told by several Drs that it should be a two week wait in between as well .. Dunno

**Cassius2** · December 4th, 2013, 06:48 PM

we were told 2-4 week minimum depending on the vax. but we have done much longer delays for our girls.

**LionsandBears** · December 4th, 2013, 08:11 PM

Ok. Thanks.

the nurse said the rotovirus needs to be completed between 12 & 32 weeks of age.

i'm happy to revisit the schedule. We were going to see how he goes with his first shot tomorrow. I'm
not looking forward to it. DH is getting a d/t/p booster as well, so I'm expecting lots of sookiness.

Cassius - what ages have you done different shots?

**onthefly** · December 5th, 2013, 07:23 PM

Re rotavirus, my understanding is that exclusive breastfeeding offers better protection than the vax. Also, a lot of babies seem to react like HotI's and some may go on to have continuing issues with guts after the vax.

**LionsandBears** · December 5th, 2013, 08:03 PM

I'll do more reading on it. We've changed the schedule to 1 vax every 2 weeks.

I didnt realise that sookiness = non stop screaming but I should have. Poor mite. We'll get through it.

**onthefly** · December 5th, 2013, 08:13 PM

LnB, would you consider reporting this as a reaction (to the nurse/doc)? To be honest, it seems quite out of the ordinary to me.

**CinderToriella** · December 5th, 2013, 08:46 PM

Non stop screaming ? What vaccine did Bub have ?

**LionsandBears** · December 5th, 2013, 09:01 PM

He did stop. He's fed and is sleeping now. I called the maternal, child health nurse who recommended panadol, which he's now had.

we've had some unsettled behaviour before with wind etc, but this was even more so. We'll see how he is throughout the night. He doesnt have a fever and the injection site isnt red or raised. The screaming started this afternoon, not straight after the injection. It could be mixed with his normal evening unsettledness/wonder week/wind. He was alert between crying fits.

**Arcadia** · December 6th, 2013, 05:11 AM

My DS screamed a lot after his first vax, but no other signs of reaction. I wonder if its the trauma of the experience itms?

As for rotavirus, my DD had three doses which is Vic schedule, but then was very sick after third, so DS only had two, which is the NSW schedule.

For those that delay, what do you think of the theory that until 6-9 months bub has protection from placental hormones, meaning they possibly react better to vax, but also they are more at risk after these recede after 9 months if they haven't had vax. I will see if I can find any literature on it. I have read a bit about how maternal antibodies which are passed to the baby via breastmilk can help increase the effectiveness of vaccinations (see studies on HIB and breastfeeding). Of course I am not a scientist and I am speculating wildly, but it's been something I have thought a lot about and chatted to my GP about too.

**onthefly** · December 6th, 2013, 08:06 AM

I think that a lot infant studies do not really take breastfeeding and particularly exclusive breastfeeding in the early months into account due to the relatively small number of babies who don't receive any formula. I would think disruption to gut flora alone could be a significant factor in morbidity rates. (I'm going off on a tangent, I realise.)
We skipped the rotavirus for DD as I didn't think it was worth the risk to her gut given how unlikely it was for an exclusively breastfed baby to get the virus. I wish I had also skipped for DS.

I hope your DS is feeling better today LnB and your day is a good one