TTC after Miscarriage or Loss ~ February 08 #2

Hi Ladies,

I have alot of catching up to do, I have been busy with my daughter, so I won't get into personals.

But I wanted to answer Canary's question to be about when I was going to test. Canary, I tested yesterday and :bfn: I am hoping that I just tested too soon, but I am sad. AF is due on Tuesday, I am eating alot and I am tired but my boobs don't feel tender, but with my last pg I didn't feel any tenderness in boobs until after I tested.

Anyways ladies I hope that you guys are doing well. I am going through really rough times with my daughter so I appologize for not really being here.

Magda - could be too early. My first pg I got a BFN am on 14dpo then retested pm same day and got BFP? You never know - don't give up hope **Hugs**

Jodsan - glad your GF is ok.

Bettyboop - wish the tables would turn and things would hurry up and start working out for you. **Hugs**

**Hugs** for everyone else too

I'm a little confused today - currently on cd 15 (usually 0 around day 17 - 18) so was planning to start serious bding tonight. Temp rose to
36.26 yesterday which was normal for pre-O but today it was 36.51 which is not normal for pre-O. Saying that - I am feeling nauseous this morn from last nights dinner so I am hoping that I haven't O yet and temp is just high because I'm a bit off. I have never O before day 16 in my life?!?!? I figured if we have missed this month (bd on Wed night but think that would have been too early) then it was meant to be as am starting clomid next month. Will still try for this month - DH due home anytime now so might light some candles and put a bit of mood music on for his arrival. Little does he know it's his lucky day - he he he. Maybe we can catch this months egg (if it's flown).

Oh why is it all so confusing?!?!?!??!

Have a good weekend everyone.

Hi all, 13dpo and boobs are less sore, less swollen and less lumpy. Still got the funny tingling sensations though getting less. I am now quite sure the pregnancy is going away. This has now happened three times over the past 6 months, plus the MC. Are these missed MC's or could I have a hormone imbalance causing my body to develop pregnancy symptoms without a pregnancy? I only ever get slight PMS so it is really quite distinct. My boobs grow a cup size and the milkducts get lumpy and tingly like when milk comes in, then it all goes away and AF shows up, which I now firmly believe will occur on Monday. Has anybody had this, am I going mad, should I see a doctor (I dont actually have a dr at the moment)?

BTW plc1805 - thanks so much for that. I would be interested in getting the name of the acupuncturist.

plc - Would like the name of the accupuncturist too if that is cool, if it doesn't happen this month am definently going to try some eastern therapies!

Jodsan - some women have all sorts of pg symptoms just due to hormone increases in their cycles. That's why early pg symptoms are so hard to interpret, as they could easily be the indicator AF is on her way.

As for me had argument with DH today, wanted to tell him that if we fall in this month I would be due 25th Dec and so not too fussed if it doesn't happen this month, and he starting yelling at me and saying TTC is all I talk about, and kids, and that I am putting myself under too much pressure, and I should just let it happen, etc. OK now some of the things he said are probably true, and before m/c I wasn't so focussed, but as I said to him he just doesn't understand. I have to cope with EVERYONE around me at work, home, friends, etc talking about their kids, or being pregnant, or trying. My sister has a son who everyone raves about, all my gf bar 1 are TTC and so are many ladies at work, plus by bestfriend is 4 mths pg. I am finding that hard. However after the tears and yelling was over I think we have come to a better place and a better understanding. I can't remember who it was on here (or perhaps 2WW forum) who said DH was whinging about all the B'Ding and my DH is the same. I told him I think about and do so much cause I feel it is all on me and I am not getting the support I need from him, even though he is desperate for kids too! He has now promised to do it when, where, how, why, etc when I tell him to, so I feel better and that we are both making an effort at TTC now. I am feeling pretty goo at the moment due to it all happening, so just like tempus I got it all out and it may help!

hi berecca

sounds like your DH and mine are related....so similar!Mine is the one who is whinging about all the BD'ing and goes mental if i mention anything to do with TTC but it is completely ok for him to talk about how much he wants a baby, such a double standard! i had a big go at him on friday because he was harping on again about how i just have to relax and let it happen naturally (GRRR!!!) and i felt a lot better but at the same time i realise he just can't understand because he is a guy...

anyway we have made a little bit of progress- i am at the point now where i don't have to hide from him when i take my temp every morning so guess that is something!

pbstar - am convinced we are married to the same man :p

They are exactly same comments I get from my DH, do they have some sort of guy manual about how not to get what a woman is going through :dunno: :wall:

I just thank God that there are women on here that get me and that I can talk to about all of this. So thanx gyus for everything :grouphug:

:hello: everyone! Have just read through the mountain of posts and it's a real mixture xx HUGE hugs for TM, Magda, Katie, Berecca, Pbstar, Bettyb, Jodsan- hope the tide turns for you all ASAP xx:grouphug:

:clap: Angel,Canary, Ajc and plc1805 keeping all things positive and happy for you xx

Well, I've been laid low with a full blown cold- it wasn't flu but left me completely wiped out this week. Work was so busy that I just crashed into bed early every night. Feeling tired still, but all other symptoms have finally lifted so I'm feeling human again.
Doctor's appt to confirm BFP was rather disappointing. He seemed very surprised that I'm pg 'so soon' and calculates dates for Oct 21st. No bloods, no tests done- told to come back in 4 weeks time....and that was it. i enquired about how things should be after the m/c and he just said that I'm no more at risk than I was before and to treta this as 'normal'. He didn't understand my anxieties at all so I just left. Oh well, will just sit and hope for the best with this one,

Waist is expanding, and Boobs feeling tender so at least I've got symptoms and not feeling like I'm going completely mad! :wall:
Can;t remember who it was who BFN on day 12- and was equally disappointed but it happened to me and I only thought to test again a week later cos af hadn't shown...it was BFP so I definitely must have tested too early.

:goodluck::crossfingers::bluedust::bluedust: for you all xxxxxxxxxx

Sorry you ve been feeling under the weather but happy your Doctor has confirmed everything........ You may however want to change your 'ticker' your not cycle daying anymore girl....... I m glad your waist is explaning... mine is too.... and I m the one with the BFN........LOL

I do feel sorry for whatever Dr I end up going with this time. I think he/she will have their work cut out for them. I can see me walking in and saying... right... for the first 6 weeks I want bloods every 3rd day. I want to see those HCG levels raise (my HCG didnt raise enough with my angels, that s how they new I was going to miscarry).... I will be putting my foot down big time.... Maybe I should start the first appointment with them with.... I m going to be an absolute pain in the butt.... sooo get ready for 9 months of hell......LOL

heh I'll be exactly the same Angel, luckily I've been seeing my doc for years so I'm comfortable enough to show her my neurotic side.
Also unless I'm as sick as a bloody dog with m/s for 6 mths I won't feel conpletely right, that's what I was like with DD and although I know every pg is different, you go by what you know don't you...

Nothing much else to report here. lots of time to think and think so, and have come to realise I am totally smitten with my DP and made all the right decisions in completely changing my life to be with him.
Time out to think has been good, spending time with the X has really confirmed why I left almost a year ago now.
Feeling really good about the direction I am heading, just need to be more patient with myself and let go. I find it really hard to be completely open with my DP, something I am really trying to work on but finding really difficult with him.
Really can't wait to TTC I'll be heading to the docs as soon as I get home to see what she thinks and probably do things right this time no "accidents", best start taking vitamins, I don't want to do anything that I would blame myself for if the next pg ends the same way IYKWIM.

Nickster glad you're feeling better, look after yourself!! Make sure you have some cake that always works!

Good Luck and Hiya to everyone, hope your travelling well.

..Laura

AF is definately on the way, pretty sure I will see her tomorrow morning. Went to the Doc about the bizarre booby symptoms and she thinks I have just developed some bad PMS. I can't complain, never had it before. Need to cut back on caffeine and get back to the gym apparently. Having a breast scan in a week or so just to make sure but she didn't seem concerned at all.

Laura - it really does take some time to move on properly from your ex, it's amazing how much they influence your life and decisionmaking and probably even the person you are at that time. I was with my ex for 9 years and it ended with him cheating so the first couple of years with Michael were really trying. It's hard to trust again and it's hard to get used to a new partner but the decision I made to leave was the best decision I have ever made and as time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer. Now 4.5 years later and I couldn't be happier. You will learn to let go little bit at a time, it's pat of the fun of it. Just try to enjoy the journey!

DH wants me to wait till 1 week after AF is due before i POAS. i think im oigng too burst between now and then. Im negotiating for 3 days! His theory is if we test to early we may get a false neg and be disappointed prematurely. i guess it makes sense, because this is my first cycle after DNC so i dont know how long my cycle will be....still killing me though!

Hi Ladies, not much to report here but thought I would give some advice / my opinion.

Nickster - if I were you I would go to another doctor. IT seems to me that this one is not tuning in to your needs and fears, and we all know we would be the same. I have a wonderful doctor who has told me next time I am pg she is going to test mt hcg levels regularly just so we can keep an eye on them. Perhaps it is because she has suffered 3 m/c herself that she understands, but I think your doc is REALLY REALLY insensitive and if I were you I would be VERY :angry:

As for me, we have started TTC as it is now cycle day 14. So far all tests show no O but last time the OPK said I o'd at CD16 so a couple of days to go yet. Having lots of fun now DH is on board :dance:

hey nickster, I so totally agree with berecca, if you feel like you need to have the extra attention and monitoring, you should get it, (I know I need it! and Im still stressing!) is it easy enough to find another GP there? I hope so, you deserve better than that.
jodson:SAAF:

Tina-k have you had af since D&c? I only ask as I have read that it can take awhile.....for me 5 wks till af showed.

angelbabies and all you lovely ladies, wishing you all the best of luck this cycle, I want you all to come and join me soon!
:bluedust::bluedust::bluedust:
I had my 2nd bt yesterday, Hcg came back at 4264, so more than doubled, but I am still freaking out, I want some morning sickness so that this feels a bit more real! (I hope i regret that statement...soon...!)

fingers crossed for all, hope you dont mind me dropping back in occasionally, let me know if it is uncomfortable......:redface:......I will understand.....
xxxx

Starrysky - am just speaking for myself here but you are welcome anytime. I often actually stalk the PAML thread just to reassure myself that there is hope.:stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl:

Nickster - I think your doctor should be a little more understanding and at least send you for bt (progress to check hcg) and reassurance ultrasound at 6wks. :stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl:

Tina - I think a week after af due is a bit too long to wait (sorry's Tina's DH!) 3 days is a fair compromise (at the most). Good luck, fingers crossed for you.:bluedust:

ll80 - glad time out has been positive for you. DH and I had time out before our latest ttc attempt and I think we're both better for it. We're both much more relaxed and positive this time. :bluedust:

berecca: am glad it isn't just me who considered taking a month off to avoid a Santa baby. DH thought it was a good idea though because then at least he will get Christmas off for once. It's awful when bd gets a little bland but what our DH's don't seem to understand is that we don't choose when our bodies are fertile - if only?!?!? Am glad you feel better for talking to each other about things.

Am still not sure what my body is doing - am thinking that the elevated temps today and yesterday are just because I'm not feeling that well - hayfever :(. I guess we'll be able to tell over the next couple of days. Still going to try to keep up the bd over next few days just incase the egg hasn't flown.

A big hello and Hugs to everyone else.

Tina, you should be able to test the day you are due and be in with a reasonably good chance of success. Boys just dont get it, they dont have the same instincts and hormones. It's easy for him to be objective about it but you are living with it. Not going to tell you what you should do but my DH would be told its my body and I will test and he has to just be supportive now matter how neurotic I am!

Nickster - I would go to another doctor. This is a very exciting time and it would be good to not have to spend it worrying. You need the peace of mind of knowing HCG is going up.

Af arrived for me, which confirmed what I already knew. Back to day one, this is going to be a very exciting cycle, I just know it!

Firstly Nickster.......... There is absolutely one person who needs to be comfortable with how everything is going and that is you. You look in the mirror or you look at your tummy and YOU decide what YOU are comfortable with. This is your Pregnancy... your baby and YOU have to be comfortable. Dont let ANYONE dictate or control how you feel during your pregnancy and guess what.... I ll be here for you the whole way through regardless of what s going on through your journey or mine.

Starrysky..... I m speaking for myself here. I have absolutely no problem with you hanging around. I confess to sneaking over to your "new" thread just to check how you are going... some people could call that stalking.....LOL I was thrilled to see your HCG levels increase that much. I will confess.... reluctantly.... that it did bring back thoughts of my angels because the lack of increase in HCG was my key point. But having said that in a strange way that was good for me. Sometimes I get distressed that I have actually coped with my loss as well as I have.... Sometimes I wonder if I have coped too well. Watching a HCG level jump like that when I went for test after test praying that mine would go up further, it hit me and yes it brought a tear or two.... BUT I was greatful for the tears and I was THRILLED for you!

So I am hanging by you and Nickster the whole way through.... at times it might be difficult for you or for me but thats what we do...... we are here for each other! You have no idea how THRILLED I am for you both :stickyvibesboy: :bellyrubs: :stickyvibesgirl: :bellyrubs: :stickyvibesboy:

Now as for DH s ... DP s .... and DF s ..... They can frustrate the absolute life out of us sometimes.... I know (and you all know) that mine drives me insane at times.... BUT.... Whilst their loss of their angels is different than ours it is still a loss. We may not understand their loss and what they feel and they may not understand ours.... but the absolute bottom line is these are the men we chose to be with. These are the men that we love...... The men who are the fathers of our angels and hopefully soon, the fathers of our children. Maybe ll80 you have the idea.... to have a bit of time to think about what they actually mean to us. I look at my DH sometimes and I wish to a degree that I could turn the clock back... back to when we smiled, laughed more.... and sex was sex not BD but that s not something I can do... nor would I because I treasure the 10 weeks I had with my angels........ but I can try to regain the closeness that we did have. I can try and focus on what is wonderful about him and not focus on what frustrates me.

Goodness I feel like Im preaching to a degree tonight.... my appologies.

StarrySky and Nickster..... HUGE HUGS and everyone else..... GROUP HUG :grouphug:

morning girls

just a quick question- i am 4DPO and i have had a temp drop this morning, i figure this is too early for an implantation dip so do you ladies think this means i am definitely not pregnant this month?

starrysky- me too, you are so welcome and i really enjoy hearing how you are going, gives me hope...and i too have to admit i drop in on the PAML thread to get some reassurance :D

angel babies- am def going to take your advice on board about DH and TRY to be a bit more understanding of him too....;) it's so true what you say and makes me realise that his downsides are all part of what i love about him and wouldn't life be boring if we were all perfect

nickster- agree with the girls on the doctor issue, it's worth finding someone understanding and am sure it would make a huge difference to your emotional state

jodsan- sorry to hear about AF, GL for this month

hugs to everyone else and some :bluedust: for all

Morning everyone.

Jodsan sorry to hear about AF. Though taking a positive look, at least you know that your cycle is returning which will make charting easier. That is what I try to tell myself when AF rears her ugly head.

Tina - can you please send your email again - I can't find where you posted it. Sorry I haven't gotten back to you. Still happy to catch up if you would like. I live in the inner city and work out in the East - so both easy distances from you.

To all the discussions about partners. I think it is very common for them to get sensitive about having BD 'dictated'. I have had to work very hard at keeping it relaxed so that the whole process does not feel like a chore.

Well I am now 17DPO - expected AF on Sat. I must be very patient because I am still certain AF is on the way and will not test until Wed - if AF is not here by Wed than I think I have reason to test.

Nickster - I also agree that you need a dr who will understand your anxieties. I have changed Obs for that very reason. I liked my old Ob but I just decided that I wanted a fresh start and his relaxed manner would not suit me this time. Do whatever you need to in order to feel confident as your pregancy progresses.

Good luck to everyone else. I hope you all had lovely weekends.

Katie girl, my email is tinabishay@hotmail.com
would love to meet with you and any other melbourne girls who want to join us!
apart from today, im free this week, so pop me an email and well organise something!

AF due today, so ive decided to test on Wed if it hasnt come..just not feeling anything like i did last time, and i can feel PMS pain coming on, so not looking good, but its not over till we see AF right!!!!

Hi Tina

I will drop you an email. And yes I know how you feel - I have been having AF-type pangs for the last 4 or so days and still nothing! I just know it is coming but this delay just seems to cruel! I won't even allow myself to think I may be pregnant.

Haven't been on in a couple days, and around here, you miss two day, you miss a lot! But I had to work a couple nights ago, then last night went to dinner and a show with my BFF from college (ditched the DH's and DK's, neener-neener!)

But anyhow, I'm 12dpo, tomorrow I have a dentist appointment and am thinking about POAS because I'm a big chicken when it comes to dental pain and always have nitrous oxide, even during routing cleanings (a big no-no during pregnancy). Or I could just suck it up and go anesthesia-free, then test on Tuesday...

Hearing all you ladies talk about your charts is making me want to join Fertility Friend and do it too (talk about peer pressure,LOL!)

Jodsan: I'm so glad about your grandfather pulling through, but sending cyberhug about that nasty ol' bfn.
And it's actually my grandfather who's sick, but right now he's status quo.

plc1985: hope you enjoy your visit w/MIL

Angel Babies: you got a great sense of humor! LOL at your swimming sperm post

AJC: my guess is your temp went up a little from being sick. But you need three high temps in a row before you can consider yourself in the luteal phase (or phase three or premenstrual or whatever you method calls it.)

berecca623: IKWYM about obsessing--been there, done that. But it's good to get some balance in your life, too. and think about other things-- just for your own peace of mind and stuff. Fertility problems can take over your whole mind if you're not careful. Sending encouragement vibes
PS if there were a guy manual, guys wouldn't read it anyway...

nicksterUK: it seems most docs don't take the first mc very seriously. i think because it's usually a one time thing. and i'm praying yours was! but would you feel comfortable pushing your doc a little harder for tests if you're really worried?

ll80: sound like you have a great attitude towards TTC. Best of luck.

tina_k: your hubby sounds like me--I always used to test 20dpo. but my FS wants me to test 14dpo. good luck!

STARRYSKY: actually, I find you inspirational--you went through what we did and are having a happy outcome. drop in anytime IMHO.

pbstar: when your temp goes up it should be at least higher than your previous six days. Then you need to see if it stays up for at least three days. It should not go lower than any of those "pre-shift six" readings. hope that helps.

Katiegirl: good luck.

Hi TM

Yes my temp went higher than the prev. 9 days and stayed there for 3 days, then today it dropped a little, only one of the prev 6 days temps was higher than today, the rest lower...any insights?

just need to have a little vent...

a friend at work just annouced her daughter's pregnancy- every day i listen to this friend complain about her daughter because she is so messed up on drugs etc and can't be bothered working and is baiscally just a no hoper...the boyfriend is no better, just got sacked from his job at a fast food store... the only reason this girl is keeping the baby is because she has had abortions before and doesn't think she should have another...

just gets to me how unfair life is, why someone like that is blessed with being able to have children so easily and doesn't care and has no way of giving them a decent life...

anyway could never says all this to anyone in real life so just needed to get it off my chest

xo

Oh pbstar, big hug :hug: It's not fair when people get pregnant who weren't even trying. But is does sound like this girl needs a wake up call with her life, a bubs will certainly do that and may help her turn her whole life around. Fingers crossed anyway, for the sake of the baby.

Your time will come, very soon. Chin up.

Hey to all :)
pbstar - vent away hun!! I know I know it's not fair....I'm sorry - am a bit new to the temp thing so can't advise u on anything there yet!
tempus - DO IT! DO IT!! Join FF - go on - JOIN!! (just thought I'd join the peer pressure :)) Truly I am a FF-aholic!
Jodsan - honey - sorry about AF!!
nickster - hun! you need to "86" (get rid of) that doc and get someone that will do right by you - a lovely bedside manner should not be under-rated!
Hey to Katiegirl, tina, angelbaby (bday buddy!!), AJC, starrysky, ll80, berecca and anyone else that I am sure to have missed!! Hugs and positive vibes to all!

:) Thankyou guys for being so wonderful! I still dont feel 100% about being in the paml threads just yet, I have been posting, cant even bring myself to say hello to the belly buddies group....I think thats just tempting fate.
have another docs appt on wed, so will let you all know whats going on after that.
on a happy note, I think my morning (night, allday!) sickness is finally kicking in and I have been feeling very unwell, and I couldnt be happier!!:p

I have really been trying not to think about it but my first bubs edd is coming up, on the 5th:( looks like another emotional doctors visit!
Good luck everyone, sprinkling some more:bluedust: around, hope it helps!
xxx

Huge Hugs Hun......... What your dealing with is what we will all eventually deal with........ the "will it happen again" ..... we all understand and we are all here for you. I was discussing the possibility when I was in the 2ww with DH. I said to him..... I just wouldnt cope if it happened again, his response.... while blunt... was apt..... I wont put it how he did but basically.... the chance is always there and its a chance we take by TTC. I thought about it for a while and decided..... If you had asked me 6 months ago whether I would cope loosing a baby..... or for me two at once..... I would have said a huge NO WAY. But yet here I am 2 months later and I wake up every day and live my life every day. The absolute bottom line is that it is all ONE DAY AT A TIME. Enjoy and love every second you have with your baby. If it was me I would be chatting away to it continually, loving and living every precious moment. I know only to well that it could end tomorrow but I also know...... having a son who is 19 next month..... it can always just continue to which I just continue to love and live each precious moment.

Its all just ONE DAY AT A TIME hun. Dont allow your fear to take over those moments.... those days.:hugs:

I keep missing saying hello to everyone else because I keep thinking about what Starrysky and Nickster are dealing with....... SO.... HUGE HELLO to everyone....

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

Hi everyone,
I'm back from my weekend away and wow! You have all been chatting loads! It took me a while to catch up, but I got there eventually.
Angel B,

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If once a week someone on the 2ww gets a BFP then I can cope with it not being me.

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That was a very generous thing to say and thank you. We will all get there eventually, it is just a matter of time..
Starry Sky, I agree with everyone else who says that it is really nice to hear how you are doing (and Nickster too.) You were both here when I first arrived in this thread, and I feel as though we are all in this together. I'm glad that you didnt dissappear off to the PAML thread and forget about us. Good luk for the 5th, I'll be thinking of you.
Tina, a WHOLE week??? There is no way I could wait that long! Good luck for Weds.
Magda, Sorry to hear about the BFN, but as it was early there is still a good chance of a BFP- Fingers crossed
Katie, wishing you a happy BFP Wednesday, too.
Jodsan, sorry about AF.
Hi everyone else, I have missed so much it is taking a long time to catch up!

Well, my weekend away was just what I needed. I went to see my Mum and Dad, as it was mother's day over here. I had a really relaxing time and came back feeling chilled and far less stressed about the 2ww. As you will soon see, it was never far from my mind though! (***Warning, the next paragraph is a bit hectic and contains mostly what has been buzzing through by head all day today!***)

On Sat, my temp dropped by 0.3 degrees and I thought that AF must defo be on her way. BUT, it shot back up on sun, 0.5 degrees more than it was on Sat. Sooo... could this be an implantation dip????
Since O, my temps have all been above the red line on ff website, Is that a good sign, or just what you would expect in the luteal phase???
I am being demading with the questions today, sorry everyone, just a bit highly strung with POAS day approaching. Oh, and my nausea reached new heights this morning. Oh, and I got up to pee in the night......
.....OK, OK, I know I'm getting carried away now. Get back down to earth, Canary.

Thank you for 'listening' to that lot, guys, it really helps to share my thoughts! I think that we need some:bluedust::bluedust::bluedust::goodluck::goodl uck:
So, Tina, Katie,Magda,Tempus and Me- Have I missed anyone else who will be POAS this week? Everyone else, happy BDing and good luck with the other 2ww's. March is the month of Spring (well, in UK it is anyway) and therefore the month of procreation, so we should expect lots and lots of BFPs!!!!!!!

Hi everyone.

Starrysky - I think we all enjoy you coming by to say hello and keep us up to date. I understand entirely why it is hard to move into the PAML thread entirely. And I understand even more why you are reluctant to join a Belly buddy group. I don't think I will ever be ready for that! So please keep us updated. We will all be in the same situation at some point and need to support each other.

Canary - your excitement is so evident. I think you have a good chance this cycle - and yes it sounds like it could have been an implantation dip. Fingers crossed for you. Whilst it is Autumn here - I am going to stick with your Spring theory. It works for me!

Tina - are you still going to test tomorrow as well?

I woke up early this morning. I think it is because I am still waiting for AF. Still not sign and temp went up another point this morning. I have been so convinced that I am not preg that it just didn't cross my mind to test. I am going to buy one today and test tomorrow. Today is CD32 - Nervous!!!

TM - good luck today with the test - can't wait to hear.

To everyone else going to test - good luck. I hope everyone is doing well. I can not begin to explain who much BB has helped me cope over the last 3 months. It is wonderful to have a place where I can talk and everyone understands exactly what I am saying. So a big thankyou for helping me through some rough days. Nathaniel's due date is coming up in April - so I am hoping I will be in an okay state in the lead up.

wow fingers crossed for those about to test, nothing happening here

:stickyvibesboy: :bluedust: :stickyvibesgirl: :bluedust:

Canary.... You make me laugh with all your scattered thoughts... but I sooooo understand... my head space is enough to send the sane ... insane.

I am wishing so badly for a BFP for you both

:stickyvibesboy: :bluedust: :stickyvibesgirl: :bluedust:

Jodsan - sorry about af.

pbstar - completely understand how you feel. It seems so unfair - I have no idea how their bodies could possible supply the baby the nutrition required to develop for those 9 months.

Canary - good luck when you poas. Sounds positive and sending positive vibes your way.

Tina - Hoping you got a BFP today.

Kategirl goodluck for your test tomorrow, wishing you a BFP too!

Tempus - have you tested yet? Fingers crossed.

Hi to everyone else. Sending hugs and :bluedust: to all!!!

Well as suspected, my temp went down today so i think it was just a little higher over weekend due to hayfever. Today should be O day actually so fingers crossed for this month. Have timed bd much better this month. Speaking of bd - catch yas later...... he he he - sorry TMI isn't it!!!
:bd:......:fertilise:.........:pray:

hi girls

ooohh katiegirl and canary i can feel a :bfp: coming....fingers crossed...:crossfingers:

jodsan, plc1805 & AJC- thanks for the support, am feeling a lot better and more rational today about my friends daughter...life isn't fair in a lot of ways but you just have to get on with it and focus on the positives, and really, compared to a lot of people i am lucky.

hi to everyone else and hope you are all well

i am having a really weird TWW so far, it is such a mental battle against myself. One minute i start having preg symptoms (impossible as i am only 5DPO) and the next i am so down and exhausted because i have convinced myself i am not going to get a BFP...just want to find a happy medium!!

this is the first TWW i have ever really monitored through charting etc so any tips on how to stay sane would be helpful???

Hey there!!
First of all I want to wish all the girls in 2WW (katiegirl, canary, tina, magda, tempus, pbstar - so so sorry if I've missed someone) all the very best of !!!! Got EVERYTHING crossed for you!!!

more :stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl: to Nickster & StarrySky!!!!!!!!!!!

A :grouphug: for AJC, jodsan, angelbabies(bdaybuddy), bettyboop, and the rest of u lovely ladies - with an extra special additional :hug: for bettyboop!

As for me, had another acup appt today. Got it from him that until my kidney energies unblock it is unwise to conceive (toxins etc) - kind of have to wait anyway cos my OBGYN asked me to wait til AF arrived (assuming kidney energies unblocked by then). When I rang OBGYN today to confirm that "no sex" til AF really meant "no unprotected sex" til AF, I was told that I needed to in fact wait til my appt with him (post-surgery check-up) in mid April (not when AF arrives) before TTC. But he told me after surgery to wait til AF!! Boy oh boy! I'm not a patient customer and I'm really being tested!! Agree that when u break a bone or twist an ankle you can't do anything major for 6-8 weeks so is post-lap surgery the same? maybe cos they had to physically cut something out than it is precautionary. Anyway, needed to vent....thanks.
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Well I got some news I didnt like tonight..... I made the "mistake" of getting on the scales at the gym tonight.... yeah sounds good saying I was at the Gym but it was only the second time since I lost my angels. OMG I knew my clothes didnt fit since the Miscarriage. I knew I had gotten bigger.... but I didnt realise by how much. All I can say is OMG!

So I had to take a serious look at what s been happening and make some dramatic changes. From the Gym we went to Woolies and brought a weeks worth of food. I know to most people buying your groceries weekly is standard stuff... its not with us. We buy our meals on the way home from work each night. We decide on the way home what we are going to eat that night and what we have is dictated by what time we leave work. Lunch is whatever is available from the takeaway around the corner from work.

So I ve spent the remainder of the evening joining online (obviously I like online groups..... ) the Biggest Looser Club. I had to put in my weight and measurements... ohhh NOT PRETTY it also asked other questions and decided my goal weight is 46kg less than I am at the moment. I knew that I was about 20kg above my 'goal' weight but when I weighed myself tonight.... I have put on more than 25kg since starting IVF 8 months ago.

Sometimes I think of what differences there are in my life over the last 8 months.... and here we go... another change... major major major weight loss required.

Ohhhh well... One Day At A Time.

Now as for everyone else... I keep feeling like I m missing people when I catch up on here at the moment.

PBL1805 (Birthday Buddy) I ve got an accupunturist as well.... WHAT a little power rocket. SHe is just so full of energy and excitement. Her standard line.... "How are you today"... Reply.... "Good".... her reply...."OHHHH THATS GREAT... REALLY GREAT"... She talks about whether I m "shining" she uses the needles for my kidneys and all sorts of blockages I have... Apparently I m a "mind" person so some of the needles are to allow my energies to leave my mind and go back to my stomach area instead.... OHHHHH there is all sorts of things, she can tell what ovary i m ovulating out of... it just goes on and on. Personally I think she is wonderful. I look forward to my appointments. This whole no sex thing though that your Dr has you on... until after AF...... Hmmmmm not sure on that.... when DH and I are happy chappys with each other...no DR can ... well I think you know the rest :bd:

Tempest..... hmmmm your very quiet..... whats going on there girl

Nickster.... dont be a stranger girl.

Well I suppose if i catch up with a couple every post... I ll be up to date in no time.

angel babies- i am the same as you , i have put on so much weight since my M/C and all the stuff going on at the moment, i know that i am a emotional eater.

angel babies and bettyboop- me too, since the m/c the weight has been climbing.

Last week i was looking at the biggest loser club website too and i decided against it because of the price, but found CalorieKing.com.au - Australian Online Diet and weight loss club. Lose weight for good! which is pretty similar, you put in your weight, height, measurement etc and it sets you goals and tells you how many calories to eat and how much exercise to do and then you have a food/exercise diary where you put it all in and it calculates it for you, and it has recipes etc- best of all it is free...

anyway it was one week yesterday and i had my weigh in and i lost 1.2 kilos! Not much but its a start...

OMG ladies I am the same with the whole putting on weight thing. My theory is that it is usual as after a m/c it is a natural thing for women to emotionally eat. Both my gf's who have also had m/c have also found they have put on weight!
pbstar - thanx for that fre site, am visiting it as soon as I leave here! :clap: for all of us doing something about our weight!!!

A quick question for you all about charting temps:

This morning my DH got up at 5am. I woke up and had to pe (sorry TMI) so decided to take my temp before I got up (I usually temp at 6am). It was 36.7. Then I went back to sleep and of course slept in. Didn't even hear the alarm. I awoke again at 6:45 and took my temp - 36.8. My question is which temp should I use or doesn't it really matter. At the mo I have used the 5am temp and changed the time but any input would be great!

Good luck to all and :bluedust::stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl::bluedu st::goodluck::goodluck:

DH is going away tomorrow on a business trip, so he commandeered the computer last night. This is my first chance in two days--talk about withdrawal pangs! But my temp went down yesterday and I started to spot and today I'm full flow. So I'm out of the TWW club for now! But I go for bloodwork on Thursday and next thursday is the hysteroscopy. I had it all backward before--I thought this week was hysteroscopy.

pbstar: my "off the cuff" impression is your progesterone might be off, which you already know it takes a few cycles for your hormones to get back to normal. but I could be wrong.
and yes, I totally get your frustration with people like that...but like you said, it's kinda hard to say such things in "real life", you just think them in your head.

STARRYSKY: you crack me up--"morning sickness...couldn't be happier!" keeping fingers crossed

Angel Babies: great attitude about one day at a time. Would you describe yourself as a generally optimistic person? And you go girl, weight-loss wise

Canary: the answer to both your questions is yes. because your temps should stay up until 14dpo and "technically" it doesn't matter how high they get, as long as they're higher than the cover line. but from personal experience, during my successful pregs my temps tended to creep up higher than a regular luteal phase. but that could be just me--I'm always afraid of building somebody up too high (even myself). But the pee in the night would happen even before AF due when I was preg...

Katiegirl: fingers extra crossed

AJC: too funny--and good luck!

plc1805: kind of like a bait-and-switch, isn't it? but probably to prevent infection or something.

berecca623: the basal temp is the lowest of the day. And they recommend you take it at the same time within 15 minutes. If it were me, I'd chose the lower one.

Hello Everyone
Wow it has been forever since i have posted here. I will admit i have been lurking and seeing what everyone is up too. What great news there has been....
Congrats to all the people with BFP that is wonderful i hope you have a healthy and happy pregnancy.
Hello to all the newies i hope your time here is suportive and short.

Just a quick question about temps
My temp has started to rise and my af is due to arrive tomorrow. Can anyone explain this...:confused:

Good luck to everyone here and i hope you can help with my question. Sending everyone lots of :bluedust::bluedust::bluedust::bluedust::bluedust:
Take Care

Just a quick hi ladies, feel like I've missed so much in just one day!

Pbstar, Angel and betty - I have also put on weight since the MC, I just think its your hormones going beserk so please dont be hard on yourselves ladies.

pbstar and angel - it sound like you have made a positive move, just take it slowly and not too much pressure. Excessive dieting can make it hard to conceive. But eating healthy with well-planned meals to ensure you get all the nutrition you need to conceive will probably result in some weight loss also.

I also think exercise is very important for a huge number of reasons: aids digestion, helps body detox, is a de-stressor, burns calories and I think this could be a key in assisting conception. I used to be a competitive runner, running for about 45-60 mins, 5-6 times per week, with some hard sessions thrown in there. I really haven't had that kind of time or energy since having Aiden and it would take too much toll on my body (I'm too old!). So when embarking on TTC I have been doing the following: 10 mins on the rower, 10 mins on the bike, 10 mins on the cross-trainer (kind of like a ski machine) and 10 mins running on the treadmill = 40 mins aerobic exercise. I try to do this 3-5 times per week (though I've been a bit slack since MC bc I felt a bit too depressed). I was being very disciplined with this in November/December and got a BFP, and even though that didn't work out, I really feel as if it helps my overall body balance so I'm going to be a very good girl this month ;). BTW - I even did this exact routine, 3-5 times a week all the way through my pregnancy (did the last session 2 days before he was born) and I was back to pretty close to my normal weight within about 6 weeks after the birth without doing any exercise.

Good luck Canary and Katiegirl - and everyone else on the 2WW :crossfingers:.