Trying to Conceive after Still Birth/Recurrent Miscarriage/Late Loss ~ February 2009

Teagz hun, so glad to be back!!! Hate being away from my computer and you girls, I miss you too much!! I'm praying :pray: something magical is happening in there for you, you need the BPF so bad hun!!!! Seriously, what a great 21st present, hey????
Praying with all my might all the time, for all of our loveley girls TTC, we need some BFPs in here!!!!! Pleeeeeeese!!!!!!!!!!:pray::pray::pray:

Noni, I think it's important to first talk with the doc and perhaps try and find out why you went into pre term labour. I started having contractions just after my 20 week scan, and it turned out that my fibroid was being starved of oxygen and started irritating the uterus. At least I knew why I lost my son. My FS/OB never thought this would happen, as if he did, he would have removed the offending lump before I got pregnant. I am sticking with my current FS/OB, not sure if I need a high risk doc. Because the fibroid is now gone, there is no reason why I can't carry again.
I'd suggest to really talk all your concerns through with your doctor, and if he/she can't give you any decent answers, please get a second opinion. Do you think you might have a weak cervix perhaps? Have you discussed it with your doc? This might very well not be the reason, but it's worth looking into. Perhaps the progesterone is the answer.... I think you need to ask a lot of questions and hopefully get some answers.
I would also suggest to read a book on miscarriage as I read a few and I found a lot of interesting information there. I ended up asking heaps of questions when I visited my doc after Joshua was born, and he was surprised on my level of knowledge! I think being well informed is the basis to start asking the right questions, and hopefully getting to the source of the problem!

B xxxxxxxx

hi B, thanks for your answer. you gave me somethings to think about. i guess i'm nervous beacuse i have to do doctor huning again etc etc. no they said my cervix was fine, i had no fibroids, i had no contractions until that night we lost him. just bizzare. i have dealt with it though and was just feeling nervous. it's just irritating not knowing why...thanks anyway, you sound like you'll be fine so that's excellent :p

Hi Noni,
It's just devastating losing a baby half way through a pregnancy. I remember I still felt like something would go wrong even after my 12 week scan. Because I did IVF and also ICSI (they inject the sperm straight into the egg) I always thought the rate of the miscarriage for me was slightly higher than someone going through IVF without the invasive ICSI. After I had my scan at 20 weeks, I actually started to feel more relaxed, and then bang, I went into labour. I started having contractions a good 3 days before I gave birth, except I thought it was the pain from my fibroid (that's what they were treating when I got admitted to hospital to begin with). Then I realised they were contractions and not the pain from the fibroid.
Was your scan at 20 weeks all good? Oh hun, it's so hard not having a reason ATM.
I know this is a sensitive question, but did they do an autopsy on your little boy? I've read somewhere in the many books (I've lost count on how many I've read...) that a miscarriage in the second trimester is very rare (1% of all pregnancies). The books also strongly recommended to investigate a late miscarriage thoroughly. I didn't have to have the autopsy done on Joshua as the doc knew it was the fibroid that caused the miscarriage. One book I read said that sometimes the baby dies days or even weeks before it's actually born (ie the baby died at 16 or 17 weeks but was only born at 20) so it's really important to find out if possibly there was an infection in the womb. Another book said that sometimes the membreanes rapture for some reason, and that's why the baby is born too soon.
Please don't give up looking for the asnwer, as I believe that there is always a reason for everything that happens. When the doctors say they don't know why a miscarriage happened, I think they say this as they just don't know or don't have the knowledge or (I'm sorry to say) couldn't be bothered to really look deep for the reason. But there must be a reason and that's why it's important to explore all avenues. Please ask lots of questions Noni, and get second opinions if you feel like you're not getting any answers. Did you have your own OB from the start or were you going public and didn't have one doctor in particular?
Love B xxx

I Dunno, Beata. I started charting on Monday :redface: and that's doing some weird things as well! We'll just wait and see, i'm not going to get my hopes up because last time I did and i was seriously gutted! ;)
I'm glad your holiday was nice, it is always nice to be back though isn't it? Sometimes you feel like you get back and you need a holiday from your holiday ;)


Noni, When I lost Jayvan they say that he had died around 15/16 weeks. It wasn't picked up until I went it for my monthly check up and my Dr wasnt able to find a heart beat. Somehow my body and kept him in and he kept growing (when he was born his measurements were all right for a 17w6d baby) My body just didn't want to let him go, and I had to be induced. All they could tell us from the autopsy was that his internal cavity filled with fluid, but they weren't able to find out what had caused this.
I find it very weird that your Dr thinks you aren't highrisk, especially when you were so far into your pregnancy. For our next pregnancy our Dr is ordering more regular ultrasounds which we need to have in Perth as the equipment is much more detailed than what it is in Bunbury. In a way I'm kind of excited because I love those 3D scans, but then sometimes ignorance is bliss, and I'm not entirely sure what to expect.
Don't apologise for going on and on, this thread is excellent from thinking out loud!
It's good to hear you will O on monday! At least your cycle is back in time, hopefully a little bundle willcome quicly for you! Make use of the Long Weekend we're getting! hehe ;) (I think i read somewhere that you're in perth? if you aren't I apologise!!)

- sheesh can I use anymore exclamation marks? I really do need to cut down...

DD & Dee, Just making sure you still know that I'm hoping with all my might you two get sticky little embies!

Rozzie, well done on your scan! 4 Weeks!! Thats not long at all!

:bluedust: to all you other TTC'ers, and :hug: to the other preg mumma's. I'm off to get ready for work. xxx

Hi girls, am soooo busy at work so sorry I don't have time for huge perssies this morning.

Welcome back Beata and I hope you enjoyed your wee get away. Where did you go? What did you do? Work on Monday - yuk... but please try not to get too stressed and just focus on the months ahead. You will only have about 8 or 9 months to go then you be off for a whole year :lol: :pray:

Teagz, thanks for the good vibes girl. You're a treasure.

Noni :hug:

Rozzie, 4 weeks! That's fantastic. Can't wait to be there....

I just have to have a vent as I am so cranky! I got a bill from my old OB yesterday after 8 months! 8 months! It's for 4 visits with him prior to my loss. Do you believe it? Who does he think he is sending me a bill after the way he treated me? I don't know whether to call and abuse, write a nasty "get f***ked, you killed my son" letter or just pay the darn thing and get rid of him from my life forever. I just can't believe his nerve:angry::angry::angry:

Sorry, just very upset about this.

thanks for the advice ladies, my little was still alive as i was lying there in the hospital with my legs in the air as they were hoping gravity would help keep him in. his heart beat was fine and he was moving around (in distress) it was just terrible. they did do a swab in there to check for infections etc. i go back to the hospitala (king edward) in a few weeks for the results of the autopsy, but we opted to have the basic one...no cutting him up etc. no i wonder if we'll get enough info. so as for infection i don't know. we were public patients so maybe that didn't help either..we're getting our own doctor this time. i have to look for one who will take this serioulsy. any ideas in perth? the 18 week ultrasound was beautifl, nothing odd at all and no uti. it just is what it is. when doctor at the hospital said this only happens in less that 1% of cases, i thougt i was going to go mad. what are the chances ! i had lots of tests with a gp afterwrads and he found no infections in there etc...tahnks for listening and sharingyour thoughts. yep i will make use of the long weekend :lol: :lol:

Hi girls,

Teagz, keep charting hun, hopefully you'll see a pattern there. Yuck for working!! You pooooooooore luv. Hate work, hate hate hate it!!!!!!!! Lucky for you it's friday he he

Diana, OMG!!!!!! I can't believe the nerve of this doctor!! Please give him a call as it might be a misunderstanding. When my OB delivered Joshua he told me there would not be any fees. He also told me that I might get a bill anyway as their system automatically spits out invoices, but to throw it in the bin if I got one. It's a bit odd as it's been 8 months.....something doesn't look right. Call him anyway hun, I'm sure you won't have to pay it. Even when I went for several follow up app. to my OB he didn't charge me a cent.
How are you feeling today beside the :angry:? Thinking of you and praying your little one has stuck well and truly :pray:

Dee, I hope & pray your little emmy stuck too :pray: How is it going at your end?

Noni, I know it's frasturating when they say what happened to us happens in less than 1% of the cases. I also thought, why was I in the 1%???!!! Although my FS/OB always kept a close eye on the fibroid, he was adamant it wasn't going to be a problem. I was initially angry with him as I thought, why did he take the risk with me???? But the bottom line is, he has seen loads of women go through their pregnancies with larger fibroids with no problems. He proablbly went with his personal experience and his professional opinion, but unfortunately I was in the 1% chance category.
Reading your story brought tears to my eyes, hun. I remember when I was having my contractions, Joshua was kicking away happily and his hb was perfect. I just couldn't believe he was going to be pushed out when he was so happy inside. With my faith in God, I know that he always knew how long he was going to stay here on earth, so that makes me feel more at peace with my loss. I'm just so lucky I got to see him and give him plenty of kisses and cuddles.
Noni, my heart goes out to you, what you went through is the most terrible loss imaginable. I wish that you will hold a healthy, beautiful full term baby in your arms soon :pray:.

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend :D

Beata xxx
Love and hugs B xxxxx

Beata, thanks for the advice. I won't ring today as I don't want to ruin my weekend. Will call next week sometime.

Dee, how are you feeling? Am interested to hear whether you were able to distinguish progesterone based symptoms from real pg ones when you got your last BFP. So far I only have the really really really sore bbs but that's definately a progesterone symptom. Also, did you POAS or just wait for your blood test? What about you Beata? As you can probably tell, I'm getting a tad anxious :)

Lan, please let me know how you're going - CD 27 today - you should be getting close to testing! Any symptoms?

Jo76 & Jocelyn, ditto!

Hi hun,

You're right, call next week and THEN abuse them. There must be a mistake hun, don't worry one little bit!!

I've read a few things about how it's hard to tell between the progesterone related symptoms and the pg ones. I wasn't getting any (can you believe that????) and then I gave in to temptation & tested 2 days before I was due for my blood test, and guess what????????? I thought I got a BFN!!!!!!! I remember seeing this very very faint line ages after I peed on that evil stick, but I thought I imagined it, it was soooooo faint. So I threw the stick in the bin. I was expecting AF on the thursday and it didn't come, so I thought, it will come on friday.....but still no AF on friday morning. The one thing I also do remember is that I wasn't getting my AF symptoms. Then I had my blood test done on friday (I still had absolutely no symptoms so I thought I wasn't pregnant) and then they told me they would call by 3 pm. For some reason I wasn't nervous as I didn't think it would be positive. The nurse called me at 10.30. I almost dropped off my chair as I didn't feel pregnant. So go figure!!
The point is hun, anything is possible. It would be annoying to be getting the pg symptoms as the gel can give you that. But as you've heard what happened to me, I didn't get any and I got a BFP. Please try and relax, we are all praying very very hard for you and Dee, and I know little embie is a very determined tough little mite!!
Thinking of you sweetie, and sending you big hugs :hug:

Love B xxxxxxxx

Ugh, I'm quite possibly the most horrible person ever. A friend of ours is 9 weeks pregnant. I'm pretty sure I turned a bright shade of green when DF told me. :doh:

Sweetie, you are not horrible. PERIOD. It's natural to envy and feel the green monster coming out when someone announces their pregnancy (apart, of course, from all of our lovelies here who we can't wait to get their BFP!!!!). It's hard hearing of others getting preggo (with no apparent effort and not having any probs with their pregnancies) when all you can think of is TTC a bub (and you're still not pregnant). Don't worry, when you're UTD you will not feel this way. Big hugs sweets :hug:

Hello, it's me. Been having heaps of trouble getting into BB. Stupid system!

Yah, I'm CD27 and actually feel quite premenstrual. Having slight cramps in abs. I fear the witch is coming! I'm OK about it now but when I see her I'll have another fit I'm sure.

What about you Diana? Anything different? I guess you can't tell with all the hormones they've pumped you with. My BB's always swell so that's no indication. Apart from that - nothing!

Yay for Friday!!!

Hello ladies,

Lan, I hope the witch stays away for you :noaf: I remember when I was pg with Jasmine I thought AF was coming for sure, so you never know.

Diana & Dee, still doing lots of prayers for you both :pray: :pray:. Hold on tight little ones and grow nicely for mummy!

Diana, I agree with Beata ring the OB. When I saw my OB for appointments around the time I lost Jasmine, when my OB saw me out of his office, he would say 'your right' as in don't pay at reception, but then a week or so later I would get an invoice in the mail. I ended up with about 4 of these! I am very sure that it was just the receptionist sending out the bills, not knowing that the OB was happy for me not to pay. I was even charged for going in to fill out a form to be admitted into hospital for the labour! I was so distresssed that at the time I just paid them, but if I got a bill now I would call. So you go for it and call on principal of your situation as well.

Teagz, I second that your not horrible at all, its a very natural reaction. Your turn will come soon hun. Really hoping that you get a wonderful 21st B'day present. Also, you raised an interesting question earlier re: whether to 'act like your pg' when ttc by not drinking, eating certain foods etc. I was wondering what people did as well, so put that question out again. I have been 'acting pg' so no drinking etc, but don't know the facts on this one. I read that you shouldn't drink from 5-days before ttc either but I'm not sure of the facts :dunno:

Beata, so great to have you back, glad your little holiday was nice. I'm sorry that you hate work so much. I can understand you wanting to stay due to maternity leave, I am actually ready for a move myself, but want to stay for that reason, but at the same time my work environment is fine, so staying doesn't effect my happiness. I say if it is effecting your happiness and emotional wellbeing, its simply not worth it. You never know a move could actually pay you more so potentially equal out to your current salary + maternity leave, you never know :D

Noni, your story is so sad, it's just not right at all losing a little one like that. I really pray that you get a BFP soon and have a very uneventful 9-months :pray:

As for me O is approaching, YAH! so its action stations, I really hope this is it :D

Hello to everyone else.

thanks for your words berry1. i just got a letter in the mail now, they want us to come in next wednesday..i thought it was the 18th but anyway they want us to come meet with the tema of specialist that took our bloods, his and did the post mortem. hubby has a meting 30 minutes from the time so i think i'll have to reschedule. i feel good in a way it will give some sort of closure and in another way i'm pretty scared of what they will say and also going back to that hospital! i hope i can walk away with more of an answer. it's okay though, i guess.
teagz, you're not bad at all.i have an acquaintance (hubby's work mate's wife) that wwe use see now and agian and she is due a day after my boy was due. we were so excited and planning mummy groups etc..i haven't seen her since the week before we lost bub. i just can't stomach it. i don't want to see her belly or her baby for now. i feel bad cos she hasn't done anything wrong and i want her to enjoy it. so you're not bad. i think sensetive people who care about you should understand.you'll be fine hun

Noni, it will be good for you & DH to get some more information on what happened and to, as you said, get closure. Going back to the hospital won't be easy, I can understand that, it can feel quite strange and upsetting, but I really hope the visit give you the answers you deserve. We had an autopsy done for Jasmine and I have the prelimenary results, but the full results are yet to come in. It can be hard. Thinking of you.

Humph, temps down - 19e9cf Ovulation Charts

Diana, it's up to you for this month now!!

Hey sweetie, big hugs hun :hug:. I know the frasturation of charting every month, timing the 'deed' and then after all the efforts, AF comes. BUT, you can't stop trying hun, you know it's gonna happen one day (hopefully very very soon) so please don't give up hope.
Even though I new DF count was so low, our FS said it would be extremely hard to get pg naturally. BUT, I still did the charts, the temps and timed everything perfectly in hope of a 'miracle'. I didn't give up hope even though I had a lot more obstacles than you!! (Hmm, maybe I was in denial & prayed to prove him wrong??)
Lan, I'm always hoping, wishing & praying very hard for you to get your BFP soon :pray:. You deserve it sooooooo much. Sending you very very sticky vibes for next time and loads of babydust your way :)

PS This might be a very silly question, but when the temp goes down, does it definitely mean no pg??????

B xxxxxxxx

morning girls
firstly diana had no idea i was utd last time, i even did a poas the night before and didn't leave it long enough to register because i was so sure i wasn't pregnant, imagine my shock when i did one the next morning so i could ring the fs and give them the result. i'm the same this time have got no idea every now and then i feel a bit blah and think maybe but i know that it is a combination of all the drugs. we just have to be patient i guess.
Teagz you are anything but a horrible person don't feel bad.
noni i really hope that you get some answers, and just take it one step at a time with going back to the hospital, we all can understand exactly how you feel and will be holding your hand as you go through this.
for the rest of you girls that are just about to o hope you all have fun.
and to all the pregnant mummies gives those belly a rub for all us ttc.
off to play guitar hero with dh one of my new addictions so much fun.

Hi Lan, sorry that your temp is going down it can be quite depressing, :hug: I know, but as Beata said you just have to keep trying and it WILL happen for you. I am by NO means a temp expert, but I am a bit surprised that FF put O at CD17 when you just had a small temp increase and the next day it increased more significantly? What do you think? I do hope you get a BFP soon :crossfingers:

Dee & Diana, continuing to pray for you both :pray: :pray:.

Beata, I hope you are feeling well. Please don't dread Monday, but look at it as a sign that you are getting better and ready to ttc again very soon.

AFM, woke up feeling awful this morning. I haven't been sick in so long I can't even remember. Am trying to fight it naturally, as in no drugs. Does anyone know if having the flu can deminish the chance of conceiving due to low immunity etc?

Have a good weekend girls.

Hi gorgeous girls,

Megan, sorry you're feeling under the weather hun. I so hope and pray that you get a nice sticky egg this cycle, praying very hard for a BFP for you hun!!!!:pray:
I didn't think having the flu would diminish your chances of conceiving, so please stay positive and I have everything crossed for you!

Dee and Diana, always praying for you lovelies, not long to go before you both test!!! I pray for a BFP for you both :pray:

Jo76, what cycle day are you now? Will you be testing soon? Bring on a sticky one and lots of babydust to you too hun, we want a BFP!!!! :pray:

Lan, big hugs hun, still hoping for a good outcome for you this cycle, never lose sight of your dream sweetheart :pray:

Nae, what is news with you hun? Also sending some very sticky vibes your way and lots and lots of baby dust :bluedust:

Teagz, only a few more sleeps for you until your big 21st!!!! Yeepee!!!! How is everything with you lovely??

Laney, praying hard everything is well at your end hun, and your little man is doing well :pray:

Katie, how have you been hun? What is little Anna up to these days?

Noni, I hope you're having a good weekend and I'm thinking of you hun :hug:

AFM, I'm ready to face the music on monday.....Megan, I am seriously thinking of leaving my work as it's been a constant struggle to stay there. I absolutely detest my MD, and he makes life hard for me. Before he became our MD, he was my boss and he was having an affair with a sales rep who I used to report to. This horrible woman used to dump most of her work on me so she didn't have to come in every day, and when she did, she was there for 3 or 4 hours tops (her hours were supposed to be the same as for everybody else). One day I complained to my new boss, and a few months later she was asked to leave (not because of me, she did some bad things at work and the people in the US where our head office is found out) and she left. Ever since then, her boyfriend (my MD) blamed me and has made life hell for me. That was almost two years ago.
When I found out I was preganant, I was over the moon as I planned 12 months of maternity leave (3 paid) and I was going to be outa there. I was then going to look for another job when I was ready to go back to work. Well, I didn't get to go on maternity leave, and it was devastating to go back there this year. Oh well, I'm hoping I get pg soon and I will leave that place for good!!!

Rozzie, Sue, Jo, Tildy, Helen, Theresa & Paula, I'm sending you all big hugs and belly rubs for your bubs, I hope every one is well and taking it easy :grouphug:.

Once again, for all our TTC lovelies, I'm sending bucket loads of babydust and the stickiest of sticky vibes to you girls. We are so overdue for some BFPs in here!!!!! I am now doing a big BFP dance for all of us girls (NOT a good look, but it might work!!! LOL)

Well over and out for me for now, hope everyone is having a great weekend and big hugs to all.

Lots of love
B xxxxxxxxx

Oh Lan, I don't know much about temping but are you sure there isn't a chance? Does that downward spiral really mean that AF is on her way? :noaf: February is our month!

Beata, your MD sounds like such a tosser, no wonder you're feeling so stressed about going back to work. You need to keep stress levels at a minimum and be in tip top mental condition for your upcoming transfer sweets so is there a possibility you can ask for a transfer to another department or speak to your HR department about how you feel? Otherwise, I suggest you start looking for something asap and then you can still be entitled to maternity leave by the time bubs is ready to arrive! It's so important you be happy and peaceful so really consider your options hun.

Teagz, Jo (AL'sM) once said to me when I was ranting in jealousy about my SIL pregnancy, that if I'm a terrible person, then she is too. We have all been there sweets and the reaction has pretty much been the same across our thread when people close to us announce a pg. It's very hard to deal with when we so long for our own, especially after suffering the worst imaginable pain when we lost our babies. You will get there, and very soon too. Beata also said something I will never forget, and that is, when you get pg, there are probably others that will be green with envy about you. Chin up sweets, you're not a bad person, just human. It will all be ok, I promise.

Dee, it's so stressful isn't it. I analyse every single twitch and pain but can't make anything out. I just have bbs that feel like they are going to explode and some slight cramping. You're right though, we are just going to have to be patient as there is no way of feeling proper symptoms with the amount of drugs in our system *sigh*

Hi Megan, oh how I am :pray: this is your month dear friend.

Teagz and Megan, to answer your question, I don't do the I might be pg thing so I'll stop doing this or eating this.... I know it's silly but I just feel like I'm going to jinx myself or something. I rarely drink so I don't have to worry about that so I pretty much continue on as normal. I don't think it's a bad idea to act like your pg in the 2WW though, hey anything that keeps you healthy and potentially help baby if there is one in there is a great thing.

Noni, going back to the hospital is very hard. Sending you strength to get through it hun. I hope you get the answers you need from your doctor so you can TTC again and that the chance of it happening again is zero :pray:

Have a good night girls and a big hug and hello to everyone.

Hey girls, just dropping in to quickly ask... when charting, does your temp drop before or after you ovulate??

Beata, that situation sounds awful! I would definetly consider looking for another job now, like Diana said you may sneak in 12-months and be entitled to maternity leave. I know it would be tricky getting a new job and then falling pg, but that is life and it happens all the time. You shouldn't have to put up with your MD because he is seeing someone who did the wrong thing by your company and you. People like that make me so jolly mad :protest:

Hi Teagz, your temp increases after you ovulate, so once there is a spike you ovulated the day before. Are you using FF?

Jeez Beata your work sounds worse than mine. We are having serious drama's there atm with staff not getting on and the only thing that is keeping me there is the paid mat. leave we're offered. Thankfully there is one lovely lady that I work with so we try to stick together. I feel for you, it's horrible when you hate your job. :hug: I'll be thinking of you on monday

Berry, i don't have ff but if I miss out this cycle I think i might start one up! I only started taking my temp on CD14 of this cycle. CD14 it was sky high(37.2) then on CD 17 dropped (36.5) and it now rising again today on CD20 (36.9) I was just curious how it all works! Now I know that though judging by that spike on cd14 I'm almost positive I o'd on CD12/13. I should have started temping earlier, it's all quite interesting to see how our bodies work.
ETA, oh hang on I think i misunderstood your post :redface: So once your temp spikes does it stay up there till AF? Sorry for the stupid questions!

Teagz, you really need to know your temps throughout your cycle to tell, but 37.2 is high, so yes, there is a good chance you O'ed on CD13. You can join free for basic membership on FF. You may already know, but there are do's and don't's with temping, so worth understanding them so you track as accurately as possible, if that is what you want to do. Good-luck with it. It is interesting :D

Howdy All,

Beata - Thanks for checkin up on me.

Not much happening I am afraid. I have not been charting but we have been practising really hard :lol: I haven't been feeling "right" sore boobs, tummy cramps generally feeling off so against my better judgement I did a HPT and got a :bfn: :wall: I just wish I new where I was in my cycle its frustrating me so much. Anyways I am hoping that AF comes soon DH and I are going away for a weekend in a few weeks our first mini holiday in 2 years so hoping it will be the "right time" IYKWIM. Although I am secretly hoping that I am UTD again and that I am just testing too early.

Noni - best of luck hun, it is a difficult thing to go back to the hospital for an autopsy report sending you big :hug:

Teagz - Good luck with the temping - it all seems so complicated and daunting to me. I reckon unless you are trying to gender sway, then you should just DTD every day for the first 15 days after AF stops OR at least DTD very day from CD11 until 17 Thats what we did when I fell preggers with Niki. To be honest I think the more you do it the better chances anyway,.

Big Howdy to - Berry1, dd0207, dee81, Hammi, and everyone I have missed

Morning Girls! I'll do some proper personals today :)

NaeNae, it might be to early for a HPT yet. Perhaps give it another week and if AF hasn't arive do another one. HOpefully all that practising achieved something! ;)
We were 'practising' from cd05 to cd15, then my thrush got to bad. Ugh. I've ordered from fast-tract so hopefully that helps it, i can't wait til it gets here!!

Berry, the temping is getting me a bit worried, actually. All my temps are hovering around the 37 mark? weird. I'm so sorry that you're feeling unwell :hug: I'm not sure whether the flu can stop you conceiving, I wouldn't think so?

I will be back later, DF wants me to watch a movie with him!

Teagz - I am sure you have already tried this but have you tried that canaston (sp?) stuff? its a tablet and cream combo?? It might also be worth trying our some branerry capsuals Blackmores has these, dunno if it would help out for thrush but could aid in preventing UTI's one of the last things you want when TTC.

I love cranberry juice and can't get enough of it I use to get UTI's a bit when I was younger and got addicted to Cranny juice then- I also take these (cranny tablets) + Silica Compound which is safe during pregnancy (helps with connective tissue) as well as the BM - Pregnancy Supps. There is little between these and the preconception ones so I figured I might as well finish off those an see how we went.

Ok,take 2 at personals.

NaeNae, I think I might try those cranbury tabs. I won't overdose on anything will I? I'm taking blackmores preg gold and fishoil, and I'm going to start taking that fast-tract because after all the antibiotics I've been on I think I really need a good boost of good bacteria. The joys of being a woman hey. I've never had a UTI, thank god... but my mum used to get them alot.

As for my green eyed monster moment, I don't feel like that towards any of you girls in here. I think I'm jealous for that fact that she still gets to have that "pregnancy incocence" and not for the actual fact that she is pregnant... if that makes sense.

Beata, I agree with Berry I'm affraid. Or, at the very least don't let these people get to you once your IVF starts (you need to be a lady of leisure) and once you get your 12 weeks mat leave, put in your notice ;) Everything with me is fiiiine. Yep, the big 21 next monday! And my part-tay is next weekend. I'm actually looking forward to it a bit now, considering it was forced on me! Apparently all my fam is putting in to get a an SLR digi camera. Woot! Can't wait!

And Berry, wishing you all the luck in the world this month!

DD & Dee, Still hoping for you guys!! Add to our preg mumma's group :pray:

Dee, I LOVE guitar hero. Df won't let me buy it though, damn him! :doh:

Theresa, how is everything with you? You're almost 12 weeks!! Time flies!

AFM, My plan to keep my hopes to the ground started to waver today. Well, I was pretty much sure I was out of the running after that weird bleeding but today my BB's feel a little tender... and well, I did a preg test and I got the faintest faintest positive line, I thought I was imagining it, until I had a look in the sun, and there is definately a tiney sliver of a line there. Eek! Down hopes, down!!! **WHIPS**

Oh my gosh Teagz, a faint line is a very good sign, but I don't want to get your hopes up either as the disappointment would be awful, but I am very excited for you. When are you going to test again? I'm glad that your DF / family are organising the party for you, your 21st is a big deal, so really enjoy it! Very spoilt getting the digital camera, will be good for when your little one comes along. Really hoping 'this is it' for your Teagz :pray:

Wouldn't it be great if we got a load of BFP's this month. :bluedust: :bluedust: :bluedust: And for Dee & Diana :stickyvibesgirl: :stickyvibesgirl:

On a serious note (sorry) is anyone else getting worried about having bubs and not working and the worsening economic climate? DH and I were talking about it today and it will certainly change things for us having a baby around now, but I don't want to wait any longer due to my age and wanting more than one. I might have to go back to work though, which I have never wanted the pressure to do. Anyone else feeling like this?

Berry, I don't want to return to work either after we have a bubs. Df is on a pretty good wage and we'll be able to live comfortably but we won't really be able to acheive much extra iykwim.. we want to eventually get a bigger house and more land. But yeah, I definately don't want to feel pressured into going back to work either, I want to be able to do it when I'm ready to.
And, as for my next test, AF is due in 6 days. I'm not getting my hopes up, I am not getting my hopes up, I am not getting my hopes up!!

Teagz! A line is a line, you've got a BFP!!! If your AF isn't due for another six days it's still early days, that's why the line is faint. Congrats my dear!!!

My AF is definitely here. BUMMER but I'm being an adult about it this month and not throwing a tantrum.

Megan. I don't think being sick affects your fertility directly. Sperm and eggs take four months to mature so the ones you're going to be matching up this cycle have been brewing since Dec - they'll be OK. What CD are you now? Good luck to you!!!

Diana, when do you test???

Beata, you have a heart of gold. You do have many more obstacles than I, but don't rule out your chance of a naturally conceived baby. Sue thought she could only conceive with IVF and we were mourning the loss of her latest frozen embryo when she conceived naturally. Now she's 30wks. Miracles do happen, and you certainly deserve one!

xoxox

Aargh, no congrats! I want a nice solid, dark, thick line first!!!

Lan, I'm on CD13 today, O hasn't happened yet, but I am very well prepared this month :D. Sorry that AF has arrived for you, darn it! It will happen for you hun.

Hi my beautiful friends,

Nae hun, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!!!!! You've got the signs of pg, and it might just be !! I so :pray: it is. It might be too early to get a positive, as you've said yourself, you don't know exactly where you are in your cycle. Let it be, let it be!!!!!!! Maybe my pg dance worked last nite ???!!!! LOL

Teagz, I think you might be UTD!!!!!! I don't want to jinx you by congratulating you, but I think this is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A faint line is still a line!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!!!!! OMG, we could have 2 BFPs now (you & Nae) and then another two with Diana and Dee, and OMG, maybe Magan too!!!!! OMG, it could be raining BFPs this month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
I so did this BFP dance yesterday, my DF said I was mad mad mad! (oh well, I already knew that!) lol

Lan, big hugs hun. Don't worry, maybe you can make a preggo 'twosome' soon too???? Diana and Dee, Teagz and Nae, and you and Megan!!!!! Yeepee (sorry, too much red cordial today ;) )

Diana and Dee, still praying very hard every day. Now DF thinks I'm possesed as apparently I say my prayers tad too loud in bed, while he's trying to sleep......Everything is always tightly crossed for you two :pray::crossfingers::goodluck:

Megan, this economic crises does scare me, but like you, I can't wait any longer because of my age, and also I would like two more bubs. Fortunatelly, DF is on an excellet salary (although, there are no guarrantees anywhere...) and he always said it would be up to me if I wanted to stay home indefinitely after bubs were born, or go back to work part time if I wanted too. If I had Joshua last month, I would have stayed home 12 months and then tried for another baby straight away, and then I don't think I would go to work for a while :redface:. I've never considered not working after kids, as I am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too independent, but i think I could do it for a while. I am also extremely lucky as mum lives 2 minutes down the road, and she can't wait to babysit all day long, every day......

Well, today I was sooky la la all day long. DF had to drag me by me ear to go out for lunch. I started to pout and pull faces and stomp my feet as soon as I woke up yesterday, so this morning he anticipated me being a 'horror' all day. And I was. Oh well, I can feel sorry for myself, can't I????? Thanks all you lovelies for your comments about my work. It is a horrible place, but I've decided if I am like this a month before my transfer, I will quit. I don't want my transfer to be compromised in ANY way. So, let's see girls....I've decided that I can't gamble with my health, so won't stay there if I'm still miserable after I came back next week...

Hi to you lovely mummas and sending you all big hugs!!! :grouphug:

For my other lovelies TTC, millions of buckets of babydust to you all, and super duper sticky vibes too xxxxxxxx

Hope everyone has a good week next week :D

Love always B xxxx

Hi girls, especially DD (since we shared the experience a month apart and knows my journey).

I don't know if you remember me but I just wanted to wish everyone extra special luck this month. It has proven to be a great month for me, but I have really good vibes about Feb/March for everyone so "get jiggy with it".

For those who don't know, I lost my little girl at 23 weeks to an IC in Sept 08. It was the most devastating experience of my life. I have also lost both of my parents and am only 27, so its been a particularly rough trot.

But, I have great news.

We found two lines late last night! I cannot believe it and I really mean that. You have no idea how much of a shock this is! I had NO symptoms, NO sore boobs, nothing! The only reason I did the test was because I bough the OTK and they have a free Preg Test inside them. So I thought I would amuse myself (I even did it at 6pm, 7 days before my period was due, as if I would ever see two lines at that time!!!). I even made an appointment with the fertility specialist for April 21 because I KNEW that this month wasn't the month for us and we had been trying for 5 months (4 excluding the first cycle after loss).

Anyhow, Its still very early days and Im not due for my period for another 6 days. DH and I refuse to believe it till another 8 or so days and a blood test. (have done three, all are positive but very faint).

As you all know, from our experiences - its important not to tell family and friends too early for fear of something happening. But I wanted to tell someone and why would I be concerned to share it with you girls when we've all been there together?

So there it is - you all know before our family and friends! LOL

I wish you all so much luck, to go through what we have been through I think we all need to remind ourselves how strong and resilient we all are. Women are amazing!

Love Joselyn xxx

Joselyn :hug:
I remember you hun and your story. I am so excited for you :dance: conrgats hun I wish you a happy and healthy 9 months.

Teagz
I doubt you will OD on cranberry but if you start looking like a cranberry then you know you have taken too much. I think the label suggests 1 capsule 3 times a day, I just take on in the morning along with the other 3. :dance: I am not going to say anything yet but :dance:lets hope so for you hun x

Megan:redface:
TBH I hadn't given it a thought, I just want to get to 9 months :lol: DH pretty much pays for everything now as it is so in that respect it won't make much of a difference. I plan to remain a SAHM for as long as I can. I would like to see if I can get into something I can do from home though just to give me something to do and a little $$extra$$ on the side.

Beata
:pray: I am right there with you. lets hope your pregnancy dance works hoping your focusing your dancing more to the horizontal mumbo though :lol:

Thanks NaeNae, I appreciate your well wishes. xx

Am still in shock but am thankful beyond all belief. If I were talking to someone about my experiences I would say that TTC under the same circumstances as this (i.e having two losses already) is frightening, and there is a deep seeded belief that it will never happen for you. So when it does, its such a shock! I don't think I would give advice to someone about how to deal with the disappointment of TTC, nor would I suggest that it happened this month because I did anything special - I just don't think that's the case. Its just a biological function that we have no control over - and that's the hardest part about it.

DH and I obviously have our anxieties but have agreed together that we'll tackle every situation as it arises. Not a day earlier.

Just to clarify Nae, have you already seen two lines? I'm not up to speed in this room ;)

All the best, Jasmine.

P.S Thats my real name but I go by Joselyn because I got worried peole might know me by putting two and two together about my history... :shhh:

Hey Jas,
Do you mind if I call you that??
Nah no two lines for me yet but I am hopeful, if not this time - then next time or the time after that. I am just enjoying DH's company alot at the moment, its actually the closest we've been emotionally as well in months which is really nice.
Jas I don't think there is a word to describe the fear of TTC and Pregnancy after going through what we've all been through.
I don't know about offering advice but I certainly enjoy bouncing ideas off other ladies who are also TTC and what works for them. Of course its luck of the draw when it does work out but it never hurts to try new things - life is not a guarantee but think of all the fun we have :lol:;)
Yeah the room can be hard to keep up with - and names I can never remember what anyones real name is :doh:
I hope its all uneventful for you hun (the pregnancy that is), you deserve all the happiness in the world.
Nae x x