TTC after Recurrent Miscarriage/Stillbirth or Loss after the first trimester

Hi all

Hey Spring, how did the shopping expedition go? I know what you mean about pregnant women or babies everywhere. I am having trouble at the moment with people asking when the next one is coming. We didn't tell a lot of people about Max while I was pregnant, as once we reached the 12 week mark that's when it all went pear shape. Now I sort of shock people when I reply - Oh we have already had a second, only we didn't get to keep him, so now we are trying for our third.

Hi Deb, ha I was the opposite, came home with only vit B6. I couldn't find the B12 at my local shops, so will take a drive into the city tomorrow and look there. BTW do you take Vitex? What does this do? I have heard a lot of women talk about it. All the best for next week, fingers crossed for a nice juicy egg on Friday.

Well, I need some advice. When we got the results of our amnio, we were told by the doctor the baby was 69XXY, so of course we named 'him' Max. Well on Wed I got a letter from the geneticist saying Max was 69XXX, making my Max a girl!!! Now I don't know whether to ring and get it checked, or just accept it as a typpo. I sort of feel if I ring and Max was a girl, it will open up the wound that is just slowly healing, but am I doing the right thing if I just leave it? Craig is convinced it is just a typo (I think he just wants it to be) and doesn't want me to ring. My MIL originally said yes definately ring, but then when I explained about how Craig felt she agreed to leave it be. We know this baby as our son, and I think it's best left that way, but I am so confused now.

Hello to all I have missed, hope you are all well.

Clare what a heart wrenching to go through, I think ultimately you need to be comfortable with the way you decide to go. If you are truly happy to remember Max as your son & think of the results as a typo then that is what you will do, however personally I think I would want to know whether it truly is a typo or not. A huge part of me would always wonder "what if" if I didn't ring & chase up the results for finality. But that said it truly is up to you & Craig how you wish to progress from here on in. Best of luck with whatever decision you decide to make.

Deb I am still here, puter seems to be fixed for now so am happy about that. As for everything else have just ovulated so am hoping that this is the last time I have to monitor it so closely & that the next time the big O rolls around we will have been given the go ahead to make the most of it!!

Will catch up properly soon I promise but just wanted to pop in & say hi.

OMG

Where has everyone gone? Hope you are all well. Maybe you're all busy babydancing...;)

Hi everyone

Clare - what a tough thing to have to deal with. I really don't know what I would do and I think you are right by saying that it is a really confusing thing because you have grieved for Max as your son. You know, it totally depends on what you and your DH decide to do. It may open new wounds but you also may find yourself going crazy wondering if you don't find out. I hope that whatever decision you come to, it brings you some peace. Just remember, regardless of whether Max was a little boy or a little girl, just remind yourself that you gave birth to a beautiful little angel :angel: I am thinking of you and DH and sending warm fuzzy :hugs:

My Mum and Dad arrived on Friday so my DH and I have been busy catching up with them. Harrison was the first Grandchild on both sides, and my Mum in particular is finding it very difficult. I guess I am her baby and it breaks her heart to see what DH and I are going through. Anyway, we went to a really nice Turkish restaraunt today and spent the afternoon eating, talking, eating a little more. it was quiet relaxing and we are about to settle in and watch a video.

I will pop in tomorrow when I have some time and do personals. I hope you all enjoy your night, it has just started raining so a cozy snuggle on the couch and a movie are in order.

Mwah
Spring Angel.

Hi everyone,
Sorry I have been a little slack too:oops:
Clare: I too am not sure, in a way I think I would rather know so I never have to wonder for the rest of my life but then again you are grieving Max ...your son. When I lost Audrey they wrapped her in a blue patchwork blanket ( the only thing I got to keep) and because she was 17 weeks it was inconclusive of gender until her pathology came back. I found it really hard to accept my baby was wrapped in blue sounds dumb.
Spring: Sometimes mums have a uncanny way knowing exactly what to do, I hope you and DH are doing ok..its hard to have those meltdowns especially around parents where the crying doesnt seem to stop.
Kirsty: I hope this is the last practise O,my really bad memory is churning...I'm sure you have an appointment in the new year.
Deb:Gooo day 14!! Positive affimations for at least 14 days lol. I'm sure you will be a frantic POAS.
Not much for me, a bit of a blah weekend
Bec

Hi everyone,
Sorry I have been MIA. Weekends are reallybusy (all days are busy but you know...)
Clare my love I am so sorry that I didn't read your post until now.
Does this make you feel a little confused? As with most things you are the only one who can know what the best thing for you is.

For me I would need to know. I am anal and I need things to be just so. So, I would want a definitive. I don't really understand how they could have stuffed this up but anyway. I don't feel I have helped you too much but do know I really am feeling for you. This must feel like it's kinda bringing it all up again... :hugs:
I felt like Eggy was a boy until I knew he had died and then I thought she was a girl. As you know Eggbert was a girl which still shocks me a bit as the whole pregnancy until the end she was a boy. I know that is not at all the same as with Max but I am glad I know she was my daughter...
Good to hear from you Bec.
I hope everyone else had a good weekend: Spring and Kirsty how are you? Mel are you back?

Well gorgeous women tomorrow is follicle u/s day!!! Yep, I am excited. I am feeling a bit full in my pelvis and a bit twingy so I am hoping some follicular development is occuring and that Kirsten tells me that I am lookin good in there!!!
Oh my what I have become!

I will be around tomorrow afternoon to fill you all in... :hug:

Hi All

I am still so undecided about ringing the hopsital. I have been thinking about it heaps and just dont know what to do. I have been watching DP reaction to it all, and I think he wants to leave it be. I just wonder if I do ring and we find out there was an error, I am going to grieve Max all over again. I mean I thought I had a boy, said goodbye to my boy, then if bubs was in fact a girl I have to say goodbye to Max again and then grieve my girl. Does that make sense? I don't know if I am up to all that grieving.

I know what you mean Deb, I felt all along that this baby was in fact a boy, and was not at all surprised when they told us that at the beginning.

Anyway, I think for know I will leave it be. Sometimes the truth is harder to deal with then living a llie. It's the same with seeing his photos, I want to badly but I know he wont look anything like I pictured him too so I am happy with my own visions.

Anyway this has turned into a lot longer post than I intended.

Deb all the best for your u/s, I hope you have a nice healthy follie waiting there.

Spring, your night in sounds wonderful. Sometimes the crappiest whether always results in the best days. I am glad you have such support from your parents. I cant wait to see my Mum again, it's been 4 months I know there will be tears. Mums always know how to put things right.

I started POAS (OPK) today and of course negative but I am only CD 7, couldn't help myself, but good old womens day stars say I am going to be having a very fertile month - awesome.

Take care all, thanks for your help
Clarexxxxx

Hi girls,
Just got back from my second internal ultrasound in the last few days, the radiographers rang me and told me that the results were inconclusive and they needed to do another :( The doctor hid the screen this time and didnt say a word but I did see alot of people looking at my scans as I left...have a feeling it isnt going to be good news. So now I supose I wait, I hate these radiographers they were the ones that told me to have my stitch done to my face and then put in the report it was fine so the specialist went off the report...3 days later shabamm maybe that is why they didnt say anything.Gosh the things that are running thru my mind its bad when you google all the symptoms of the things with the big C.
I'm pretty sure no transfers for me for awhile if ever
Bec

Hi Bec,
What did you have the u/s done for? Can you phone your doctor and ask for the results? I am really feeling for you - it's so awful when you don't know what is happening. However, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions without speaking to your doctor.
I hope that you can contact her/him... :hug:

Well,, I just got back from my follie scan. I have a dominant one at 15cm and the runner up is at 12cm - not bad considering I am cd11 today. My doctor is predicting ovulation on Friday and I am to go back in then. She is watching my R) ovary as there were LOTS of less mature follies there. She wants to make sure we don't get too many "ripe ones". Friday is cd14 and the DESSIMATING MOON!!!!!!!! I have a goooood feeling girls!
I will pop back later... Grow follies grow...... :hug:

Fingers crossed for you for Friday Deb

Thanks Kirsty... :hug:

My pleasure sweetie. You know I am always here for you & through this journey that you are embarking on atm.

Hey everyone... I'm back!!!!

Just thought I would check in and let you all know I am back, we had a wonderful time away and were very sad to come back to reality - didn't even get a tan, just more freckles, lol! No news of a :bfp: yet and so far I have done 3 tests. I am due on Monday so I am trying to stay positive and will do my best to not test again until later in the week so as not to drive myself completely insane... don't like my chances though. I have a feeling deep down that I am not pregnant, geez if we can't succeed in Hamilton Island don't know when we will :crying:

Nicholas would have been 3 months old today :( I was very busy at work so didn't get much of a chance to stop and think which might have been a good thing. I have been thinking a little tonight and I just feel really proud, I have a little sadness but my love is outweighing that for now... don't know how long that feeling will last but I'll take it while I can.

I hope everyone is doing ok.

Deb - :crossfingers:

Take care,

Mel

Hey Mel

Just wanted to pop in and say, love the new signature ;)

You know that Nicholas is in my thoughts and our little boys are holding hands as we talked about. Sending you big warm fuzzy :hugs:

I hope and wish will all my might that your next post has a :bfp:

Deb: best of luck babe. As you said, grow follies grow

Bec G: Hey hon, I am not sure what the scan you had was for but it is your body and if you don't understand (or they don't explain) what is going on, put your foot down and don't leave until you know. :crossfingers: everything is ok babe. Let me know how it goes.

Me well, today is two months since my little angel was born. Gee I feel like it was a lifetime ago but realise it was only a heartbeat. My Mum and Dad go home today so I really just want to keep it together while they are here. I feel totally comfortable being sad around my parents but I know how much my Mum is worried about me and we have had a nice time over the last few days so I just want her to go home knowing that we will be ok. It is like clockwork, I woke up at 4.49am today and waited and watched the clock strike 4.52am which is the time Harrison was born. It seems to happen so often that I wake up within a few minutes of that time. I guess my internal body clock is intune with my heart. I shed a few tears with my DH but he has managed to get some more sleep and low and behold, here I am.

Oh well gals I am going to have a really hot shower and strong coffee.

Take care of yourselves you wonderful women.

Spring Angel (mummy to a 2 month old angel baby)

I love my little baby boy, I miss my baby boy and I will never forget my baby boy, today or any day of my life. Nighty Ni Harry - love Mummy.

Spring all I can say is :hugs: and I just shed a tear or two for you and your husband and Harrison... You are a wonderfully compassionate woman, I am so sorry for this pain...

Mel - welcome back. It's not over yet if you are not due until next Monday! I am sending you big hugs too on the anniversary of your Nicholas's birth :hugs:

Wow we've been a bit quiet in here. The silly season doesn't leave a lot of time!
Well here I am on cd14 and off for a repeat follie scan today. I am a bit nervous - hoping that there are only 2 or 3 ripe follies and at least 2. So as you can see I have quite a tight order!
I feel pretty twingy today like *something* is happening in my pelvis but my opk's have remained negative. My obs has had me testing since Thursday...
It is raining here and because we are up in the ranges our hill is thick with cloud. I LOVE it when it is like this. It's really chilly and it makes it hard to get into gear!
Anyway gorgeous women I will return later today with the news from my ovaries!!!! :hug:
Spring, Mel, Kirsty, Clare how are you all????

I'm still here just!! In about 2.5hrs I am off on a bus to see Elton John & I can't wait. Other than that we are pretty quiet in regards to everything. Still not sure entirely about TTC, I've just put in for a new job at work in a different department so will wait & see what happens there & of course what the test results have to say!

But in reality a big part of me isn't 100% sure of my emotional capability of another pregnancy, I am also thinking of taking 6mths out solely for me (to lose some weight & get my head around a few other things that are going on in my personal life atm) even if we get the go ahead from the Dr's. But I will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Anyway my dear I have got everything crossed for you for today that you have great results with your scan.

I had the most beautiful but at the same time heartbreaking dream last night. It felt so real :cry:

I dreamt that one of the Midwifes at the hosptial called me in a major panic. She said that there had been a major mix up and that Harrison had acidentally gone home with another family and that he wasn't stillborn at all. DH and I rushed to the hospital, I even remember where we parked in my dream. We raced in and they handed Harrison to me. The midwifes asked me if I still had milk and I told them about what happened the other week and so they said I should try to feed him and bond. I felt such an overwhelming, all encompasing feeling of love and euphoria. My dream felt like it went for weeks and the detail of his gourgeous little gummy smile and the gooing noise that he was making is still echoing in my ears. Of course the minute I opened my eyes I realised my reality is an empty nursery and an urn with the ashes of my baby boy. Why is life so cruel, I know it is only a dream but reality so much harder.

At Harrisons funeral we played Dream a little Dream. My most cherished lyric is

Say "nighty-night" and kiss me. Just hold me tight and tell me you'll miss me.
While I'm alone and blue as can be, dream a little dream of me.

I am telling myself that that dream was a gift from my little boy and his way of telling me that he is out there and dreaming a little dream of me.

Sorry for no personals, just need to take some time out today. I hope all goes well today Flowerchild. I have a wedding tomorrow so I am going to spend today getting it all out so that I can get myself together for what should be a happy occasion.

Spring Angel

Spring big hugs to you hun. I am sure he probably sensed you needed him last night, and had to pay a little visit to show you he is ok and happy playing with the other angels. I had a dream about Max last week, I was holding him - he was so little but all dressed up in this little blue outfit, wearing a beanie to cover his sore head. He was beautiful, it gave me such a sense of comfort.

Deb - go the follies!!!! You do have a bit of a tight order, but hey you never know, fingers crossed for you.

Kirsty - have a great time at Elton John concert, I am sure you will have a great time. Maybe taking some time out for yourself wouldn't be a bad idea, You might find that you dont need 6 months. But definately think about it when you need to.

Me - stupid OPK's, I have had enough of them already. I have all the classic pre o symptoms, nausea, tingling boobs, stitch pain and the OPK's are still negative, although the second line is getting darker. If I hadn't bought 50 of the things I swear I would stop using them, but DP would kill me! Well I get to go off in an hour and have a yucky pap. :evil:

Have a good weekend girls
x

Hey everyone, yay another weekend!!
Deb - Hope all goes well today :crossfingers:

Kirsty - Have fun at Elton John :dance:

Spring - That's so weird I only just read your post this afternoon and read about your dream after I had already emailed you about mine! I think Harrison was letting his mummy know he is ok. Hope you are having an ok day :hugs:

Clare - Glad you felt comforted by your dream about Max. :goodluck: for your pap, not the most pleasant thing to be ending your week with.

Take care all,

Mel

Spring - I am sure those really vivid dreams are a message and I am so sure your Angel is watching you... :hugs:
Clare: Don't give up on the opk's a darkening line is usually a good sign. Just keep going until you get a positive and then get jiggy with it!!!!! Pap smears are not the most fun things but it's a necessary. It's good to get everything out of the way before your next pregnancy!
Mel: Hi! What is your news?
Kirsty: Elton JOhn!!!! Woo Hoo!!!!! I hope you have a wonderful time. I also hope that you take all the time you need to make the right decision for you with regard to another baby... :hug:
Me: Well I had a nice big ripe 23cm follie and a lovely endometrium so everything is looking like ovulation will occur in the next 48 hours. However, no +opk. For those of you that weren't around last time... I didn't ovulate until cd21 on clomid... My obs says that it's possible that that is just me on clomid but she also said that it is more likely that I will ovulate within the next day or so...
So, you can imagine what we'll be doing for the next few days. She said her advice is to get jiggy with it each night for the next 5 nights.... Or if I get a positive for the day of the positive and the two days after... That's what I usually do so let's hope that a handsome healthy sperm meets my gorgeous healthy ovum and we create a baby!!!
:fertilise: vibes gratefully accepted!!!!!! :hug:

Hi Deb - great news that everything is looking good! Best of luck with the bding.

:stickyvibesboy: :stickyvibesboy: :stickyvibesboy:

As for me I have no news - Havent done a test today cause got up to take DH to train station and had a wee without testing. Dont think there is much point tonight cause the pack says best to test first thing if testing early and I just kind of get sad when it is negative anyway. I did a test yesterday morning which was negative and I am due for AF Monday so I am not holding out much hope now. Pack says it is 99% accurate 5-7 days before due and I am only 3 days before so it would have shown up by now. I dont know why we cant get it right, it is a bit depressing to be honest.

Actually when you were commenting to Clare about the OPK's it made me wonder if I used mine correctly. I tested from about day 7 or 8 (eager I know) and I didnt get any line at all until day 14 when I got a faint line, I wouldnt say it was really faint but definitely not as dark as the other line, and then I tested the following couple of days as well and got no line at all. When you were saying keep testing until you get a positive it made me wonder if my test was really positive or not. Should you get a few days of a line or is it normal to get a line one day only? Do you think maybe I didnt ovulate at all? I am starting to worry I have stuffed up this month :crying:

I know I am probably being really sensitive - but I have just read a reply to a thread I posted about 3-4 weeks ago called "It's only been 9 & 1/2 weeks" and it has really upset me. I know it shouldn't but has made me feel really teary :crying: She said that "I should be happy I am able to get pregnant"! I have replied a few times because I got so upset. I burst into tears after I read because the thread was posted in the first placed because basically I was feeling people seem to think I should be getting over what has happened and how it is still so hard, and her saying that is exactly the sort of comments that people made back then to prompt to write the thread. I have had a really good week or two, after going away and coming back I felt like I was ready to get back into the swing of life. Reading that post has brought me back to that point where I was a few weeks ago and I feel so sad and angry and misunderstood. I was already a little upset because I did another test this morning and it is still negative. I know it has only been a couple of months since I have been trying but I feel such an overwhelming sense of desperation to be pregnant and it is consuming my every thought. I do feel lucky that "there is no reason" why I cant have another baby but I miss Nicholas every day and I love him so much. Not a minute goes by in each day that I dont think about him at least once. I know I shouldnt take it to heart but it is so hard. It just makes me realise that I will be confronted by people who just cant understand how I feel until the day I die - I sometimes think you girls are the only ones who know.

Mel :(

You were not in my opinion being over sensitive. I have removed the post from your thread... I am really sorry Mel that this happened to you. JUst know that how you are feeling and how you are grieving Nicholas is so very normal.

Don't let this posters insensitivity to your loss affect your journey.
There are so many of us here to hold your hand and help you through... :hug:

Thanks Deb - I know you guys are all here for me and I don't know how I would have gotten through without you all.

Thanks again and I still have :crossfingers: for you :)

:hugs: my sweet woman...
Nighty night from me...

Well no honeymoon baby for me :(

Due for AF today and wouldn't you know it... I am not handling it that well this month, I was ok last time but each month that goes by is just one more month that I am a childless mother :crying:
I know Nicholas will always be my baby but I cant hold him and take care of him the way a mother does and I want that so badly it hurts - today I can't stop crying, and the whole weekend has been crap and alot of emotions that I thought I had dealt with have come back for various reasons and today is just one of those days when you just want to curl up in a ball and have the whole world go away, never to be seen again.

Hope everyone is well.

Mel :wall:

Mel :hugs:
I understand those days... There is nothing I can say that will make you better but believe that it will get better. As time goes on the pain will ease some. It will never be gone but the pain will be less raw.
Getting your period is a time of huge emotional turmoil after the loss of a baby - especially when you are ttc again... I wish I could give you a hug in person and share a cuppa to help you through these dark days...
If you need to talk you know how to get me... :hug:

Thanks Deb - that's why I write down my thoughts in here, it somehow helps to know people are thinking "yep, know how that feels" rather than just thinking I am some big nutcase.

No, you're not a nutcase... You're a woman in pain. You're a woman who wants to be pregnant again.
Can you go out today and do something wonderful for you... A massage, a pedicure, a coffee and cheesecake??? :hug:

No unforunately not - I was meant to go to work today but called in sick but DH had to go to work and I said he could take the car so I am stuck at home (we sold our 2nd car last week). Dad just called to say hi but I find that hard cause I always pretend everything is fine, for starters he doesnt want to be hearing about my periods and secondly he gets really worried if I am upset and then he tells mum and she worries. Maybe I will call my sister, she usually has a knack of pulling me out of my misery. Otherwise I will just play a pc game or sleep, yeah sleeping is always good.

Thanks again Deb :)

Hey Mel

I am so sorry that AF showed up. You are totally human to be so upset and the devastation you are feeling is totally natural. I hope this AF is a little kinder to you than the last.

We both know that this TTC journey will be bumpy, but just know that I am here to walk that path with you. Please let me know if there is absolutely anything I can do. If you need an friend to listen to you, cry with you, whinge with you then I'm your gal.

:hugs: to you babe,

Hang in there

Thanks Spring - A bit of a change from talking to me last night huh. It's awful how these "moods" just hit you and there is no warning or prediction, they just come. I would like to ring Michael and ask him to come home but it's only a few hours, and I his work have been really good so far that I don't want to seem like we are taking advantage of them. I will just keep myself occupied on here and listen to some music, I am sure time goes by pretty quickly and before I know it he will be on the way home and I will be thinking oops I havent started organising anything for dinner - he is used to that, I am not the most domestic person.

P.S. About AF's kindness - I think it is already being a little kinder, no major cramping or bloatedness, just a heavy feeling which is normal so if it stays this way I won't complain too much.

I'm glad AF is a little kinder to you this time, but if you want to whinge and moan about her then go for it...

I know how you feel about wanting DH there. I have become so dependant on my DH, clingy you would even say and this is coming from a girl who spends months living alone when DH is away with the Army. I think after what you have experienced as a couple, it is hard when you are alone. Hopefully he will be home before you know it, and if you don't get anything ready for dinner you can always whip up a pitta bread pizza (lol)

I agree with Flowerchild, you deserve to pamper yourself, do you have a close girlfriend who could come over and give you a massage or paint your nails? Even just take a long hot shower and sit down with your favourite book, hell a packet of Tim Tams is the medicine I prescribe. I will send those SANDs newsletters to you today so hopefully you will get them tomorrow or the next day.

Thinking of you hun, DH and I are going out to see the new Bond movie this arvo so I will pop in later to see how you are.

:hug: :hug: :hug:
Mwah
Kristy

Thanks heaps for that Kristy (I was calling you Spring cause I didn't know if you used your name on BB, lol) - I have decided what I am going to do today... I am going to sit down and listen to all of the songs I have that make me cry. I have decided that maybe that is what I need, just a big huge cry and instead of trying to hold it in maybe it is healthier to let it out and if music helps then that's what I will do. At the moment it is Matchbox 20 - Hand Me Down (dont know if you know it but it always makes me cry, I am such a sad sack its probably not even that sad but it is in my head, hehe). I might have a bit of a play on my guitar after that cause it relaxes me.

Enjoy the movie, have some popcorn for me (she says drooling).

Thanks for everything, Mel :)

Oooooooooooooh, and Michael just text me to say he is taking me to Pancake Parlour for dinner - I love Pancake Parlour (I swear I am just like a big kid) and he knows that always cheers me up :D

...But still enjoy some popcorn for me, can't beat fresh popcorn (OMG, I sound like Homer Simpson, lol)

Mel, aka homer. So sorry to hear AF has arrived, Big hugs to you sweety. I sometimes feel much better after a good cry too. oh and a big bar of chocolate, but pancake parlour sounds awfully good right now.

Deb, how are you? Did you end up o'ing over the weekend. Fingers crossed, I hope you got in plenty of baby dancing just in case.

Spring, how's it all going? hope you are keeping well

Me, concentrating less on baby making and more on weight loss at the moment. I figured if I try loose a little weight I am bound to get pregnant straight away and put it all back on. lol I have totally given up on those stupid OPK's, I have no idea if I had a surge or not, they were starting to get darker, almost as dark as control line and now nothing. So I am assuming I either am not about to o or I have missed the surge. Still feeling blah.

Take care all
x

HI Gorgeous women!!!!
Clare: OPK's can be frustrating little sticks... However, if your line was almost as dark as the control I would most certainly take that as your surge. So get to thee bed my woman!!!
When I am not on clomid my surge is very hard to detect. I never got a true positive.
Because the clomid increases the LH I get a nice big fat dark line...
Today I got an almost positive so tomorrow I imagine will be my positive.
I talked to my obs via email yesterday as I still hadn't had a positive yesterday. She asked me to come back in to check on my follie. Soooo off I went for yet another peek oday... My follie is 30mm. For a follie that is BIG! So, she said if it doesn't release any minute she'll go to work at the coles checkout... I am achy so I am thinking that that follie will release an egg within the next 24 hours.

I hope you enjoyed the movie Spring.

Mel ; I am so happy to hear you are off to the Pancake Parlour. That's a sure fire way to put a smile on. Thinking of you Mel :hug:

Hey ladies

Well the movie was Ok. We saw the new Bond. DH really loved it and he was really looking forward to it so that made me happy. To be honest my mind was wandering the entire time so I can't really tell you much about it and DH spent the whole drive home trying to explain it to me. I myself am not a pop-corn gal, I prefer the choc top... I always finish them before the darn movie even starts (lol) The pancake parlour sounds like the perfect medicine Mel. I have only ever been to a pankcake parlour once so maybe I have to go again, don't know what I missing hey. I hope it puts a smile on your dial :) I totally understand listening to music. I think that if you can let it all out then go for it babe. Songs take on a whole new meaning when you are going through something traumatic. On the way to the movie we heard the new Powderfinger song "Say you'll watch over me" (don't know if that is the exact name). I had never really paid much attention to the lyrics before but I must admit it really touched me and I shead a tear.

Clare, I am with you on the trying to lose weight thing. I know how many temptations there are at this time of year but I know you can do it. I have about 10kgs excess but I am just trying to lose it slowly. I have done crazy diets before and lost 20Kgs in 3 months but I am trying to take care of myself so that I am the peak baby making condition. I promise that choc top was the last one (lol)

Flowerchild, you seem to be the master of all things O so I am sure that you know better than anyone when those little girls get released so BD away ;)