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Hello again!
I have been so busy with my little man & life in general, that I have hardly had 5 mins to get back on here & tell you how Ryder's sleeping patterns are going.
It was my birthday last week & DH bought me a book called the "Contented Little Baby Book" - The secret to calm & confident parenting by Gina Ford. I have been busy reading & implementing the feeding/sleeping routines that is recommended for 3-4 months old babies and it is FINALLY all falling into place.... for me & for Ryder. Not sure if any of you girls have read it, but it is fantastic!
I was telling you how Ryder was having his 10pm feed, then waking at 1am, 3am, 5am, 7am...... I was feeding him every time he woke thinking he was hungry & I even started to doubt my milk supply...... but I was doing it all wrong! I never knew that feeding times during the day play a big part in whether a baby will sleep well at night or not. This is what the book says feed times should be for 3-4month old babies:
Feed times: 7am, 11am, 2-230pm, 6-6.30pm, 10-10.30pm
Bed time: 7pm. Wake time: 7am - always wake baby at this time regardless. One of the main keys to getting your baby to sleep through the night is to ensure that once he is physically capable of bigger feeds, he takes his daily requirements between 7am and 11pm.
The book says: How quickly a baby sleeps through the night is very much determined by his weight and the amount of milk he is capable of drinking at each feed during the day. Some babies who are only capable of drinking small amounts at each feed would obviously need a feed in the night for longer than a baby who is capable of drinking a larger amount at each feed during the day. The aim of the Contented Little Baby routines is not to push the baby through the night as quickly as possible or deny the baby a feed in the night if he genuinely needs it. It is to ensure that the baby receives most of his nutritional needs during the day so that when he is physically and mentally ready to go through the night he will automatically do so.
Some tips that the book outlines for 3-4month olds:
* Your baby should be sleeping no more than 3 hours between 7am & 7pm.
* Whether you are breast feeding or bottle feeding, if your baby's weight gain is good, you are convinced he is waking up from habit and he refuses cooled boiled water, try leaving it for 15-20mins before going to him. Some babies will grumble on and off then settle themselves back to sleep.
* Regardless of whether your baby is breast or bottle fed, the only way to keep a baby in a good routine is to begin the day at 7am. Once he is sleeping through the night, he should be at his hungriest at this feed.
This book has helped me BIG TIME! I have altered Ryder's feeding times to the abovementioned times. It took a few nights to get a proper pattern established, but it's working! Bed time is 7pm, wakes at 10-10.30pm for feed but stays VERY drousy (almost a dream feed) & goes straight back to sleep. He was waking between 1am-1.30am, but DH gets up to him & puts his dummy back in his mouth & pats him for 5mins or so & he goes back to sleep. Then he wakes at 3am for feed, nappy change & straight back to sleep. Then he hasn't been waking until 6.30-7am. Yay!
My whole problem before was that I was feeding him every time he woke in the night, which meant my milk supply for the 7am feed was crappy! The book stresses that the 7am feed be a BIG feed & the 6-6.30pm feed be a BIG feed.
Well that's my tips for today...... hope they help you as much as they have helped me & my little man (oh, and DH... think he bought me the book cause he was so sick of losing sleep & having to go to work the next day! I did receive some other nice gifts from him for my birthday as well..... JUST AS WELL!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA)
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Afternoon all,
Sorry have been MIA for a few days. I have been busy. I painted both of kids bedrooms, and changed the kids over. So now all that is left for me to do it put Wyatt in his cot of a night...
I also helped FIL/stepMIL move their business, mowed Granny's friends lawn as she away, did food shopping, and am waiting on DH to bring botls home for his bed. WE are change beds over. Ours is too squicky. We had it 7 years, so we are change over for DH then after a few years will buy new one. Am trying to cost spending everywhere to get my new kitchen.
Also is anyone else with big huffalumps like mine finding they are moving up nappy sizes faster. Wyatt in Huggies crawler, and they are gettlng little tight around his JUICY thunder thighs... So he's little bum will make it to Toddler before he is 6 months old. Now isn't that just wrong. The name which they ahve named the nappies are just not right. My baby is not 10-15kg, but if I leave him crawler it will cut into his little thighs.
What typr of nappies do you all use? Wyatt has craddle cap, how do you get it off scalp?
Well I better go it's starting to become feeding time at zoo.
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Ryder is still in Huggies Newborn nappies! He is 6.1kg but the infant Huggies (next size up) are actually too big!!!! I've also tried the Target Dri-Bots as they are cheaper option... but no way as good as the Huggies... they are the best I reckon!
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Jodie: Ryder must have a small tummy. Wyatt doesn't seem big and the side tabs of a nappy almost come to the middle of both side, but's it tubby legs, we get the red mark from rubbing.
I haven't tried any other nappies on him yet. DS#1 is in you'll love Coles brand Jr of a night time. They seem pretty big. I will I could buy a sample pack of say 4 nappies to try out, before buying whole pack.
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Just a quick one for now to let you all know I have added a photo of Jordan in his chinese constume (was chinese day at school today) and he looks so cute. Just click on link in my signature.
will BBL for personals.
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I am finding that the new Huggies with the extra stretchy tabs are what is keeping Ryder in Newborn nappies. They could probably sit a bit higher at the back, cause I find through the night I usually have to change his jami's due to wee wee's coming out somewhere in the nappy! Not sure if this is just a boy thing cause little willy's shoot all over the place, or if it is the nappy. This has happened from birth though... maybe he just wee's lots in the night?! I change him after every feed though... so I dunno... it's weird.
I put the next size nappy on him (infant) and they sit way too high (like up over his belly button!) & are bulky, where as the newborns fit snug around his little bum & just right around his legs.
Ryder isn't grasping things yet. I hold a teething ring or small teddy in front of him, he stares at it, kicks his legs with excitement & sometimes hits it with his hands... but hasn't got the hang of opening his hand & holding onto it. He grabs onto my fingers though... so I don't think it'll be too far away! That will be great cause he can entertain himself a bit more.
He's definately very knowing now though! He only has eyes for his mummy & if he can't see me he's not happy! Makes my life very tough!
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BabyWrangler I think that they say from about 62cm they can start to go into the OO's so he might not be far behind. And no, you're not pathetic for giving the number 2 teats a go, I would have done the same. Oh, and the way you make up the bottles is the way I have always done it, and especially with the thickened formula, you have to have warm water in bottle before you add formula otherwise it goes lumpy, I make up 6 every night, before I go to bed, I only have one of the formula dispensers though so I have to refill it during the day.
Nettie Oliver does still have one 000 outfit and that is his Elmo AIO that he uses for his pj's but it is starting to get a little squishy around feet so will probably have to take that one out of the mix.
Jodie82 I have to say that Jordan is pretty much on those times for his feeds now, and has been for about a month, the only problem I have with him though is that his first morning bottle is his smallest, he will only have around 60-80ml, the book sounds interesting though, may have to get myself a copy.
sarah I have Oliver in the crawler size nappies and they do him just fine. Congrats on painting both kids rooms, bet you are glad it is all finished with now.
Hi to everyone else :)
Had a really nice (but tiring) day today at Jordan's school, unfortunately the MIL came along too so I had to put up with her. I have uploaded a photo of Jordan in his costume, would have done a couple of others too but they have other kids from the school in them and I don't think it would be right of me to put pics of their kids on the internet without them knowing IYKWIM.
Also, I have been putting it off for the last week and half now, but I have an ingrown toenail, and it is killing me, but I think I have to face the facts and realise that I have to go to the Dr's and get them to do something about it, I really, really, really, really don't want them to have to take my nail off!
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Hello everyone
Ive been mia for a while aswell as there is just so much going on here. update on russell is hes rolling over to his tummy everytime i take my eyes of him and trying to crawl big time and is pulling himself p into a sitting poistion with a little help. hes 64cm and 8 kg, wearing snugglers 6-11 kg crawler nappies, is wearing 000 - 00 clothing and is now formula fed:( fulltime and only occasional searches out the boob. hes eating 3-4 solid meals a day incuding fruit veg and occasioally some meat. he loves his jolly jumer will spend an hour or so on it most days.
As for me , my parents are buying another property so they are getting my house evaluated so we are in major clean up mode ATM , had severe pain in a front tooth and dentist says need root treatment to fix it $750 later just to maintain a nice smile then after that will need 8 filing and an extraction!!!!:(
Dp is coming round, hes been a bit slack and selfish lately, but after bruiser of a fight he seeems tio understand im not wonderwoman and the fact that we are only home 2 nights a week before 8 pm is a real streesser and te constant commuting to visit people drives me insane! they can come to us occasionally and that i need time out from russell to do things like sleep or shop or relax. that i feel better for it !
Jodie Russeell is so spoilt with attention that if hes not getting it and he wants it he lets you know he has a problem. then we pick him up or what ever and he clasps his hands smiles and laughs . its a ll a big game all about him !
Sarah russell has a little but not much, i keep it undercontrol by soaking it with a wet washer on hi ead at bath time and running a baby brush through it to lossen the skin, then brushing it when his hair dries. but like i said his is minimal and not infected or anything.
Anyone elese over the cold weather, i cant wait for summer to take russell swimming ?
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Zennie: My DH was like that when Wyatt was first born. However he is much better now, when he is home early.
*One the going to see people/friends, DH and I made the decision that if people dont come to see us one for every 2 visit we go to them we cant be bothered. We have 3 children, so of our friends have none, and it too late and cold to be taking them out to visit of a night time. It the same distance to your house as it is to their house.
Sharon: Jordan looks so cute... You did a wonderfully job on the outfit.
* Wyatt is same, has some 000 outfits he still fits, he's in Bonds wondersuits he's a 00. But other wise I have all other smaller cloth hung up in his wardobe and you can see the hugh size difference from 000 - 00.
Jodie: I am gald to here your book has helped you. Hope this means you'll be able to have some mummy time to her self.
But my little tubby lump must have a large thighs.. I will try and fit nappes better today, as I am running out and need another pack by 2morro.
Well I better go and start the day. Got to get ready to playgroup, go and pick up DH tax from his accountant, got to get some more bolts, post office, bank and wollie to get some more cookies. Wyatt still in bed. Will go and wake him other wise I will have a cranking baby at playgroup.
have a nice day all.
P.S. Sorry if I missed anyone this post has taken 20 minutes lots of help/running after DD and DS#1.
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Hi everyone, I have been MIA also, but there has been heaps going on!
Daphne has slept through the night for 6 nights in a row!!! I am so happy but trying not to get too excited. Just when my DH was starting to bust my chops about starting controlled crying, I said that I just had faith she could do it on her own and that night she did for the first time ever and has done it now for 6 nights!
Jodie I have been doing that system of feeding for about 2 months (from the book On Becoming Babywise).:
7-7.30 wake up, feed (normally 180-200mls) this morning it was 220
11.30ish feed
3.30ish feed
7.30ish feed
Bed about 8-8.30: in cot awake in sleeping bag but arms wrapped still (will phase out wrapping soon)
11.15 dream feed (120-150mls normally, whatever she takes) She does not wake for this - bottle in-drink-bottle out. My DH has been doing this and doesnt even lift her out of the cot. If she keeps going through the night I will start doing this dream feed.
She would then normally wake anytime between 3-4.30 for a feed and would take a full150mls, but I have noticed over the last 2 days since shes gone all night that she is taking 200ish during the day rather than 160-180 which she was taking when fed during the day.
For those of you doing dream feeds - when do you stop??
I am about to start giving her some solids. She is staring at us when we eat big time. THe other night we gave her a few tiny bits of pumpkin soup which she was a bit confused by, but was into by the 3-4th taste!
Also, right now she has passed out under her playgym!! She's never done that before! I thought things were a bit quiet and I looked down and she's passed out!!
I hope you are all well!!
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Zennie: Wow! Russell is a big boy already!!! I guess it must really depend on the baby as to what stage they are up too... cause Ryder is no where near trying to crawl or eat solids. He's 6.1kg, and when I put him on him tummy, he pretty much face plants the floor! But when we are holding him, he is pretty much holding his own head up now with no support. I bought some Farex the other day & decided to see if he was ready for it.... so made up a tablespoons worth, tried to spoon it into his mouth (when he was hungry) and you should have seen the faces he pulled. He gagged, spat it back out & that was it. Just shows, every babys needs are so different & they are ready for different things at different times :-)
Clueless: My MIL told me the other day that she read an article in the paper saying that 3-4 month old babies should only be very loosley wrapped at this age as bubbas are trying to roll & like to move freely in bed. The article was about babies sleeping at night, and was saying that wrapping your baby tight at this age could be the reason they are waking through the night.
I will read the next few chapters in my book & see what it says about dropping the 10-11pm feed (dream feed) and when to do it & get back to you.
Sharon: Does Jordan still wake at night for a feed? Try filling him right up at the 6-6.30pm & 10pm feeds. The book I'm reading says that if you're baby is waking through the night & having a BIG feed, he will continue waking at that time always as he knows this is when he receives his biggest milk intake. You have to try & adjust his feeding pattern so that the before bed & morning feeds are his biggest and then eventually he will not wake through the night at all.
Tarnee: I haven't received your invite to the scrap-booking party yet!? I am coming, would you like me to bring a plate of something? Poor Charlotte with having the tongue tie :-(. What paedetrician did you have? My friends little boy who is 5wks younger than Ryder had a tongue tie & had it snipped when he was 2wks old. It was picked up in hospital... Mater Public. You must be p*ssed that it wasn't picked up on earlier. Could be worse I guess....
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get Ryder to drink boiled water or milk (expressed or formula) from a bottle?! He was drinking from Avent bottles for the first 3 weeks of his life (expressed milk) cause I had massive problems with mastitis, cracked bleeding nipples & over engorged boobs. Then I went back to solely breast feeding & was too scared to express any more as the Dr reckons this is why I got the mastitis in the 1st place (don't get proper let downs etc). So Mr Ryder has been booby feed ever since & now I have the problem where I cannot leave him with anyone for more than 4hrs cause the little brat wont drink out of a bottle! I even went & bought a Tommee Tippee bottle cause the teat resembles a breast (well close to), but still no luck. Even tried different teat sizes... but even with the newborn teat, he gags & chokes & coughs when I feed him with it. Aaahhhh.... so annoying! I think he is just too smart for his own good & I can't trick him!
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:)Hi there. Noah was born on the 29th April although he was due on the 3rd May. He was 4040g at birth and had heaps of saggy skin. Within the week we were in hospy he had grown into it, soI think he came early to do a bit more growing on the outside. Bit hard on the little fella when Mums only five foot nothing. LOL
I also have another son who is 23 months tomorrow...my baby boy is exploring the world so much these days. ATM he is totally hooked on the swimming at the olympics!:rolleyes:
I live out in Penrith town, well a stonesthrow from anyway.
Noah was 7.08kgabout three weeks ago and 65cms long, no idea what he is now but i DO know I keep putting clothes of his into storage.:)
Noah has slept through from 6 weeks and just lately, like the past 3 days has kinda half dropped an arvo feed....not sure though. Might just be not as hungry for a while.
Noah is starting to really like tummy time and I do itmaybe three times per day until he gets cranky. I noticed this week too that he is beginning to turn his head right around when on his back....mmm, how to describe it.........mmm, like he is learning to roll over iykwim!!??!! watch out big brother...
He is such a determined little boy.:D
Hope to get to know you all, will try and pop in as often as my life allows me too.
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Just answering Jodie quickly on bottles. There are only two other bottles to try if neither of the Avent or TT Close to NATURE are working for you is the Pigeon bottles - chemist or First Years Breast Flow - think they are only available online. Other than that you just need to persist. Have you got the smallest flow teats? LIke BW said the 0-3moths are best even if they are over that age so it is not as fast a flow.
Sarah on the nappies I'm starting to have the same issue with Greer in the up to 8 kg Snugglers and she is only 7kg, but I think it is because she is a chubba bubba. The next size up Snugglers actually work better for leakage etc as much as I hate going up a size.
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Well, we had our 4 month follow-up with Neo-Natal today.
Liam is now 5.7 kgs and 60.5cms long with a hc of 41cm. I think he's small for his age, but they tested his development too (with a physio and also a paed) and he seems to be well advanced developmentally.
They were impressed with his hand movements, eye coordination, interraction and also his efforts with tummy time & sitting up.
When the physio had him on his tummy, he almost rolled over - front to back! He hasn't done that before! He seemed to really enjoy it so I think I'll try to do more tummy time with him. She used some rattles to capture his interest and he really liked them. So we went to Toys 'r' us and bought some for him!
We were so proud of him as he was quite tired at the beginning of this appointment and thought he'd start getting grumpy, but he was a real trooper smiling and having a great time with everyone who saw him for the full hour & a half that he was 'seen to'.
We fed him straight after and he went straight to sleep (though not for long!). Then we went into the city to do some shopping and he was great through that too! Only had little naps through the day - 20 mins, up to 40 mins - but he was never very grumpy. He's now down in bed and self-settled like normal. He seemed very relieved to be back in his cot though! Couldn't get the smile off his face when we got home!
:hello: to everyone - sorry I don't have time for personals. Need to make up the bottles for Liam before Spicks & Specs starts!
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Hey Jodie
our health nurse said we should have our babies unwrapped by four months due to rolling over so we've put Daphne in a sleeping bag about 2 weeks ago and we are transitioning out of wrapping. WE'll do one arm out and then eventually both, but at the moment she's getting used to the bag and then we'll move on from there. She cries when she goes in the bag now as she knows she's going to bed. Its pretty cute.
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Hi Everyone,
On the nappy issue - we have discovered Coles - Babylove nappies (on special last week). They are a little more bulky than the huggies but we have had NO leaks at all. (We normally always get a pooey leak with her weekly poo). Charlotte is in the 6 - 11kgs and my bank account is loving the savings. I didn't think I would ever convert from Huggies but I really like these. In fact, I am actually having to change her less often too 'cause they are so absorbent and can hold more and she shows no signs of nappy rash or anything so they must 'feel' dry too.
Wrapping issue - a child health nurse yesterday to me to wrap her until whenever. Charlotte would definitely wake herself up in the night with her hands if she was left unwrapped and at the moment it is helping to keep her warm too. On the nights that her hands get free they are like ice cubes! She definitely sleeps better night and day if she is well-wrapped.
Charlotte had her 4 month needles this morning - didn't cry for the first one and only a little for the second one. I asked my GP about her tongue-tie - he said not to worry about it at the moment but he didn't really get a good look at it. I have already made an appt with the tongue-tie doctor so I think I will trust him to assess it properly and decide whether or not she needs it snipped.
I also asked the GP about how 'spewy' she is - and predictably he said, 'she will grow out of it - it is normal'!! Well, if it is so normal, why don't I see every other baby spewing as much as she does?? I am so frustrated! Just because she is a good weight and not grizzly, no body will take it seriously.
The reason that I am so worried is that I feel like it will affect her development - she is lucky to spend 5min a day on her tummy - cause everytime I put her down, she spews, face plants in it and gets fussy about it. She can't go in her walker without continually spitting up and the jolly jumper is just as bad as putting her on her tummy. Even when I hold her over my shoulder or facing forward, it makes her sick. Any pressure on her tummy and up comes the milk!! We go through about 7 bibs a day and I don't change them until they are really wet. Please tell me - IS THIS NORMAL???
Anyway - end of rant. Sorry everyone.
On a brighter note - isn't it funny how so many people are coming back to the thread (myself included)?? Obviously we are all getting used to life with the little ones!
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Jodie82 Other than Oliver's sneaky feed at 10.30ish he sleeps for about 12 hours at night, he is usually in bed by 6.30pm and then wakes at around 6.30am, i've been told by the Community Nurse that some babies just want to quench their thirst with their first morning bottle, and that seems to be what Oliver does.
sarah I didn't make Jordan's costume, I can't sew to save my life, we bought it from a shop in the city.
Vixstar hi, welcome to the group, we had both your boys names on our list when I was pg with Oliver. Also, I don't live very far from Penrith (Hassall Grove, which is near Plumpton), and Jordan actually goes to school at Cranebrook. What suburb are you in?
Nettie sounds like Liam is doing really well, and just because he seems small now doesn't mean he will stay that way. Oliver still hates going on his tummy.
Clueless I really don't think there is a time that you 'have' to stop wrapping, I only STARTED wrapping Jordan when he was 6 months because of sleeping issues, and he stayed wrapped until he was 12 months, and Oliver definitely sleeps better when he doesn't escape from his wrap so we will continue to wrap him until he shows signs of not liking it or until he is 12 months old whichever happens first.
Tarnee Jordan NEVER had tummy time as he hated it and he would just throw up anyway because of his reflux and it hasn't effected him in any way, he was walking at 13 months, we went through a lot of bibs etc too and he never really grew out of it until he was about 8-9 months old, and all that was with thickened formula so I would hated to have seen him on regular formula that comes up easier. I know it is frustrating having a baby that smells like spew, but she will grow out of it, and it is NORMAL for a refluxy baby :hug: And yest I have to agree that more people seem to be coming back to the thread which is great
Don't have much to report here, just cruising along. Hi to everyone else, and have a great day.
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Hi Ya'll!
I officially am over winter....bring on summer. I have been sick for a week - tired, dizzy, coughing,temps, can't sleep and still bf which is draining in itself. Bails is sick but seems to be very much on the mend now. Dp and Noah have not caught it thank goodness, esp DP as he is working 13 days straight atm.:(
Noah only took one side this morning for the first time in ages......of course he is hungry now!
Sharon - Im in Kingswood / Orchard Hills. I thought Hassall grove sounded familiar.
Tarnee - those You'll Love Coles nappies are fantastic hey? I like them and the Aldi ones. We have also used the Dri-Bots ones too and they are not too bad either but don't alwasy hold explosive nappies....but I am not sure many would as when Noah 'blows', he blows big time!!!!:lol:
My DS#1 was a spewy bbay, after ever feed, during the feed and esp in the middle of the night....GROSS. I remember this one time (at band camp:cryinglaugh:) he was feeding and projectile vomited whilst laying on his back. It reminded me of a whales blow whole. LOL Noah has hardly thrown up at all. Every bub is diffand their little bellies etc are all diff too...they kinda have their own little personalities. YES, she will grow out of it. I found Bailey did at around 6 months, when he started sitting up more.
I do understand how you feel, as we have green poo saga atm and it feels like no one actually 'gets' me. (((HUGS)))
Best run, Noahs is now starving...yer right little piggy.
Be back later
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