Babies Born August 2007 #6

Rhi - you posted as I posted so I missed replying you. AF for me returned at 3mths as I went back to work. I was still expressing, but it wasnt the same thing for my body. It still comes on the same day and for the same length of time ('cept this month don't know what happened there). Jensen has always been a play-by-himself kinda baby, so I just leave him in the loungeroom (there's nothing that he can get to that he shouldn't) and off I go. Even down to hang the washing on the line and put another on, but have been taking him down with me so that he gets a taste of the outdoors.

My DH would have no idea what to get me for mothers day... so I've said a years subscription to BellyBelly! I'm sure its gone in one ear and out the other for now, so will let him know closer to the date!

Scone - we are using fitted pockets. terry flats are only good for spew rags in this house lol. i dont have the patience to learn how to fold terry so it doesn't leak.

It will be wonderful to live near my parents (well mum moreso). we looked at a house on thursday evening, and faxed off the application yesty. i really like that house and it is walking distance from DH's new job. and we can have our cat there! she has been living with my parents since we got married! i miss her.

My girls are both sick. Sarah is sleeping in our bed atm and has been for about 2 hours and em is playing in her cot but she wants to get out. she whinges occasionally. so hope neither of us gets it coz we both need to be well for work! argh why do they have to get sick at such a busy time! we really need this to be as stress free as possible!

re taking bubs to the toilet - it is a good idea to take them with you coz it teaches them how to use the loo and makes it easier when they are toilet training. Sarah usually comes in with me so that em is safer :lol:

Yeah, I take Ella into the toilet sometimes, or leave her in the lounge room but only if DS not home so he can't hurt her (accidently).

With AF, I got it at 10 mths with DS so disappointed I got it last month with Ella but it was so short and light. Enjoy not having it while you can!

Scone, Myles was about 2.5 when Ella arrived which was quite good, but as he got closer to 3 things got easier, especially once he was toilet trained. Congrats on Jensen's weight. You must be relieved.

Kim - good luck for April.

I think Ella is finally getting a tooth, it is really red and she has red cheeks. Will keep you posted.

Is it bad if they have wheat now? Ella has vegemite toast and quite likes it.

I love hearing about what the other bubs are getting up to. The only cute thing Ella does at the moment is growl, everyone finds it a bit off putting, sounds like she is possessed. It is a real animal sound.

Have a great weekend all.

I've been quietly lurking around - not alot to report, except rotten sleepless nights :( I think (hope) its the top teeth coming down....

Molly - I love the growling too. Milla does the exact same thing. She isn't much of a talker, like we don't get the ma-mas or ba-bas, just real throaty growls, or squeals. I think Milla is more of an active sporty type than a linguist!!! She is already standing on all the furniture and taking steps to reach the remote if its further along the couch (her fave toy)

Ali- did you get the house you applied for? Sounds great, so I hope you did. I hope moving wont be too disruptive for the girls... are they good sleepers ATM? I am obsessed with sleep...!

Scone - did you get your work stuff sorted out? How many days are you working now? I have been "negotiating" with my boss too... its a bit daunting. And is Jensen walking now as predicted my the nurse???!! He sounds pretty similar to Milla - she doesn't go between pieces of furniture yet either. Milla is also pretty happy playing by herself if I get her started, but if she is tired or hungry, or has just woken up, then I need to be down on the floor being more interactive with her. I cant leave her while I hang out the washing cause I've been very slack with baby-proofing and she would just eat everything like books, powerpoints and dvd-players... I need to move more stuff. She's not in to her toys either - the remote, our phone, and books are her preffered things lately. I have a photo of her sitting on the floor "reading" the dictionary. Very cute.

I am at my wits end about her BFs. She is being a horror. Days are OK now, after a period where she wasn't interested. She was down to just one feed at night at around 3am, which was great. But lately she has been waking at 10pm and screaming the house down. She wont settle for DH, and even if I give her cuddles she isn't happy until she gets a BF. Same thing happening at 12 or 1am. I am trying to cut back the night feeds, or rather trying to get her to settle to sleep without a feed. I'm sure she can't be hungry, if she is eating chicken and vegies for dinner, and then having a decent breastfeed before bed at 7pm. I guess she is a bit addicted to the boob... Any suggestions anyone? I've tried giving her water from her sippy cup at night, which she drinks, but she still wont go back to sleep despite being desperately tired. I am at my wits end and am contemplating a bottle of formula at bed time so I know that she can't possibly be hungry?? Have any of you BF mums done that? Or do you think I should just use EBM?

I would so love a big all-night sleep. I neeeeed it so bad!

nounfortunately we didn't gett he house, looking at another on saturday morning. MIL will take the girls for the day while we move.

ALI - sorry to hear about the house, fingers crossed for the one on Saturday.

Campari - nice to see you are back! I feel exactly the way you do about the night feeds! I am in the same boat, feeding at 8pm, 11pm, 3am currently, no matter what is eaten or bf during the day it seems. Poor DH on Tuesday night, I went out for dinner with Mother's group and fed her at 6pm, left at 6.30pm, then she woke at 8pm, screamed for 45 minutes and then sat up with DH until I got home at 10pm, had a bf and went straight to sleep. I am going to Matchbox 20 concert next Thursday and he is preparing for the screaming again. He can't seem to settle her and I can't settle her without a bf.

I spoke to the Nurse about it on Wednesday, and she said that she must be having lots of little drinks during the day and night, (feeding 6-7 times in 24hrs) but probably only equates to 3-4 full feeds. I am finding that DD best feeds are during the night. during the day she has so much to do, not much time for a long feed before she is distracted.

My main concern is that I go back to work on May 1, and whilst yesterday I managed to get DD to only bf on waking, a little at lunch and before bed (I need my body to get used to only a few feeds whilst I am at work all day 3 days pw) so she ate alot during the day, she really had big feeds during the night still and I am going to be so tired going back to work!!!

Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions. This coincided with Ella getting her first tooth, FINALLY! So I don't know if it will settle down, but my gf in BNE is having the same with her DS who is only 5 days younger than Ella.

To be honest, my DS didn't sleep during the night until he weaned himself at 10mths and went onto a cup of formula before bed - if you want to try that don't be hard on yourself because it may be the best thing for you and your DD. My DH said as he left for work this morning that I should try and get Ella to drink formula in a cup more so he can feed her. I'm a bit lazy but also I like bf and don't want it to stop altogether, so am willing to keep going at least until I go back to work.

I think you would have to be consistent and not give in to bf (before bed) for at least 3 days to see if it would work which could involve a lot of crying. But if you have got to that point and a prepared to do that, then go for it.

I think that you could try EBM, at least you would know how much she was getting, and if that didn't work, go for formula in the cup/bottle, that is if you have the energy for expressing. I think formula fills them up a bit more.

Sorry for the long post - goodluck and let me know what you decide/try. Having read this, I think I will talk to DH about him giving Ella cup of formula if she wakes during the night, over the Anzac Day long weekend and see how that goes. Then he won't be too tired for work the next day.

Thanks for your huge reply Mollygirl! I think Ella and Milla are reading the same "how to annoy my parents the most" book ! Our nights sound very similar indeedy.

I ended up buying sachets of formula to try before bed. I will try to express some for future top-ups, as you said, that way I know how much she is drinking, but am a bit too exhausted to express ATM. I want to continue BF as long as possible (til she is at least 18 months or so, ideally)... but wont beat myself up about a little formula now that she has been exclusively BF for all this time. Am thinking maybe my supply has dropped a little.. will have to work on that as well with some fenugreek etc. Anyway. She refused a bottle, which is to be expected since she hasn't been offered one for a few months. Tried the sippy cup, but she refused that as well (despite loving it during the day when all it has in it is water!) So, she survived on just boobies again, and it wasnt TOO bad. I dreamfed her at 10, then she slept til 2.20, and needed a feed, then til 5:00, and I just bring her in to our bed then, and she fed again. With the leftover formula I just added it to her breakfast this morning.... Its awful, cause I hate the thought that she is hungry, but like Ella, Milla rarely has a good feed during the day. I am sure she would have self-weaned already if I hadn't been so persistent in trying to feed her - like going to a dark, quiet room, bouncing her on the swiss ball while feeding her, and singing! If I were to let her solely demand feed, I think she would just feed at night, and maybe once at midday or so.

I weighed her yesterday too, and she has only put on 100g in four weeks, so she is 7.55kg. I know its normal for them to slow down a bit, but I dont want her to get too skinny! She's loving all her solids, so I guess I will just have to fatten her up that way... But its catch 22, cause the more solids they get, the less BM they want, and then she'll want her BM quota at night!

It must be hard for you to be worrying about going back to work in May already :( I have to go back part-time in August, and already am wondering what to do re. feeds. I have to get in to expressing, I just really suck at it (pardon the pun!)....

When your DS weaned himself at 10 months, did you give him formula in a sippy cup all through the day, or just at bedtime? Did he just keep refusing the boob, or did he cut back gradually? I can see Milla self weaning off day feeds, but still wanting night feeds... crazy little nocturnal monkey that she is.

well, she is asleep at the moment, and so is DH.... I might make me a cup of tea and sit outside on the deck and relax a bit... then get stuck in to some cleaning ... urghhh. Got visitors this arvo.

Hello to everyone else, and hope you are all getting more sleep than me and Mollygirl!!

Rhi x

Hi all just dropping in to say hi,

Don't seem to have much time on my hands latley.

Hope all are well,

Bye

Everyone - how many sleeps are your babies having now? I have noticed Ella is doing: gets up 6am, bed 7.30am-9am, bed 12noon - 2pm and bedtime 6pm. Any suggestions on getting her to stay up later????


Rhi - you are right, they are both reading the same book. Ella loves water in the sippy cup but turns her nose up at formula. I told DH he should be the one to try that more.

Sorry to everyone else not interested in BF information.

Because I am going back to work, I actually don't mind that Ella is feeding more at night now, I have been giving her more solids during the day and she is just have a little suck at lunchtime, so that my body isn't used to feeding much during the day and now she is having her 3-4 a day with 2 -3 bf at night. Some nights it is not too bad, when I go back to sleep straight away (sometimes I lay awake for 2 hours) but DH is worried how I will cope being at work and being tired. We'll have to wait and see. Given that I will be tired I may not have much milk and she might wean, unfortunately. Ella is putting on about 500g in 6 weeks, so not much either but then she spends all day crawling and standing and is way too busy to bf. The nurse wasn't worried.

To answer your questions:
When your DS weaned himself at 10 months, did you give him formula in a sippy cup all through the day, or just at bedtime? Did he just keep refusing the boob, or did he cut back gradually?

I had been back at work 5-6 hours a day (just missing one feed) for 3-4 months when he weaned and my days had been getting longer and he had been drinking formula from a sippy cup a little during the day (they don't drink as much as bf) and on the day he weaned it was a sudden thing. He fed at 4pm when I got home from work then at 6pm he wouldn't feed again (or anytime after) and kept crying and wouldn't have a bf. Eventually I worked out he was hungry so gave him ff in a cup and he slept through the night from then on! So it was a sudden thing and I got mastitis even though I expressed. I got AF for the first time at the same time so I thought the taste might have changed or something???

You are doing a great job, and have given her a great start and even though it is sad when they wean, it also brings a sense of freedom (for me anyway). I am still hoping to get to 12months but will take each day as it comes.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!

Hey all!!

Using the loo - despite where I am, I use the parents room toilets, if I have Jensen with me. It's a tad difficult when you have no pram, but for now, it's all we can do ! :) TMI - Andrew has started showing him how men use the toilet. We are sorta trying toilet training, but it's a bit difficult coz he's young. We have had success in waiting 5-10 mins after an arvo nap, onto the potty and voila! But the looks and comments I get from saying that we've started.... it's too much for me to deal with so it only seems to be at home and at nana's that we do this. Today he stood up holding onto the couch, looked at DH grabbed his nappy, looked around, concentrated, looked back at DH and then went about his day... Turns out he wet himself. I think he might sorta know whats going on...?

Very relieved with Jensens weight. The health nurse seems to think that its not the food that puts on his weight, the calories in the milk is.

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I never thought about having to keep older siblings away from the younger ones if you leave the room, but I guess this becomes instinctive. I wouldn't let Hayden near newborns without me close enough to stop him pulling their hair or crawling over them.

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- newborns?? I can't stop Jensen from trying to crawl OVER the other babies the same age at mothers group...

Work.... grr, not a good topic atm. I'm nervous about going in, and especially tomorrow (monday) as I called my boss on Friday to see if he'd be in so I could have a chat to him and he said yes coz he wants to have chat with me.... Not sure if it's good news or bad news. So, for now, I still work 2 days a wk, Monday and Wednesday 730-230. Fingers crossed for me tomorrow that things work out for the best....

BF at night Rhi - Jensen is the same... I can pretty much time the first wake up to the minute. 1130pm. It used to be only 2 feeds a night, but it's back up to 3. I've been told to offer water instead of a bf, but he wont take it during the day, let alone at night. I have given a ff at night when my milk was dwindling in the afternoon. IT seemed to help when I bought some blessed thistle tabs and took them. Havent' had to ff at night for awhile now. Formula should fill Milla up. pff... well I say that, but regardless of bf or ff, he still woke the same. Hopefully, its not the case for you. I find that Jensen wont take a bottle from me, but plonk him with anyone else with the same bottle... hey presto!

I am so over Jensen waking 3times a night. Sometimes it's just for a cuddle, but others its a full feed. Been thinking about a referal to a sleep centre coz it's crazy... Even if it's just down to once a night, that would be a god-send.

Congrats on the tooth Molly!

Hows things going Becca?

Jensen seems to be showing the teething signs (not that there were any last time) again. He has been really clingy and doesn't let me out of his sight. With all the free clothes that we got from a friends kids, finally all washed, I now have to fold them and put them away, but omg there's no time coz busy body is just that... busy... Left him with DH, in the lounge room - I was up the hallway, yesterday. But DH got (and this sounds worse than it is) trashed by 9am. Jensen just played on his own, but who knows what could have happened if I wasn't there.

Hope things work out with this other place Ali...

Sorry this was long, just had to pop in before hanging out the washing and putting a stereo on DH's car.

All the best,
Ren and Jensen

Scone - keep going with the TT - don't worry about others. If you can do it early, why not? My MIL tells me my DH was toilet trained by 1! Just try and tune them out.
Goodluck with work, I cannot imagine how hard it has been going back before now, so well done to you!

Kim - fingers crossed for you. I'm sorry I don't know about what you are going through, just wish you all the best.
Thanks for the advice on why they are waking. I think Ella does wake up more if I leave the house at some point, whether day or night and I am not there when she wakes up. She's not too clingy, but seems to want to know I am around.

I think another tooth is coming (2nd bottom tooth) and she is just grumbly. It doesn't help when I find her brother has put a toy down the back of her jumpsuit this morning. That made her cry.

Good luck Kim !!! That must be so exciting. Because Milla was a suprise for us, we are actually looking forward to "trying" for #2 (later this year, not just yet), just so we can experience that excitement and anxious wait (and I am sure, our share of disappointments too...) Anyway - all the best, and make sure you keep us posted! Is it a lot easier this time around, if they already have the frosties?? Thanks for your advice re sleeping too. I definitely think Milla is being a bit more clingy... not cuddly, but just wanting only me, and not DH etc. She still wriggles away everytime we want a cuddle, unless its at 2am in the morning...

Good luck with Ella's tooth Molly... I think they normally come pretty close together (there was only a few days in between Milla's bottom two). We're still waiting for the top ones, and I think I can see them.

As for formula/night sleeps... well. Milla just refuses formula entirely. I am secretly relieved that she doesn't love it more than boobies :) We've tried different temperatures, different brands, and different cups, and DH tried all these as well as me, but she just wont drink it. I've put it on weetbix for her, just to use it up, since I spent $8 on different sachets. So, I have given up on the formula idea, and my new scheme, which we began today, is to wean her off the dummy. I think half the time she is waking at night looking for her dummy. She's just gone down for her second day sleep without it, with no protests (but she was dog tired, she nearly fell asleep in her high chair). We're going cold turkey, I'll keep you posted.

Scone, that's great about TT, and I would keep going and ignore all the comments. I think about plonking Milla on the loo sometimes too, cause she ALWAYS does a wee on the floor as soon as I take her nappy off before her bath (we let her have naked time for ten mins or so before the bath, and she just crawls around the wooden floor, does a wee and then tries to lick it... lovely, I know!!)
I hope Jensen's sleep improves for you too.... Maybe this 8 month stage is just a bad sleep period, lots of our bubs are pretty restless... Are you going to try sleep school? When Milla was 10 weeks I took her to Bubba Hush for a day-stay, and the lady was great at identifying the problem back then (was wind, fixed instantly by Brauers), BUT< she advised me to use the dummy, and didn't really spell out when I should stop, and that damn dummy has been ruining our sleeps lately... Are there other sleep schools in Brisbane that you've heard of? I think I'll persevere with Milla without going to one, but you never know, I could get desperate. I just really don't want to CC.

Hope the rest of you are all well!

Cheerio :)

Hi all,

Xavier started crawling today!!!

Molly, bubs on bf really slow down with weight gain around this age, so it's not that strange to only gain 500gm in 6 weeks. The graphs you find in the back of your mch book are based on ff babies.

Scone, I'm good thanks, Xavier has been doing some pretty mental sleeping. I found the last time was from cutting a tooth, we woke every 2 hours. Arrgh. But after a lot of trial and error, I introduced regular morning and arvo tea, and that has really helped. Re toilet training, Zofia in the July thread has been tt since birth for her little lady, and it is really amazing how well they are doing. Just foolow your gut, he's your child.

Kim, Xavier is doing very well, we have had one hell of a wild ride, with very little sleep, but he is now sitting, has two bottom teeth that have broken the gum, he started crawling today. We hear a lot of Da Da da da da's but very few Ma ma ma's. He goes to swimming lessons every Saturday and really enjoys them. He is becoming very cleaver, and just seems to know things, like he tries to put shapes into holes.
Good luck with your cycle.
Xavier was very windy a few weeks ago, I decided that he wasn't quite ready for yoghurt then, and took him off it, he stoped the feral farts. now a month later, we are back on yoghurt and going strong. I also found that a bit of infants friend helped.

Campari, I let Xavier have his nappy free time after his bath. I figure, if he's going to wee, he's more likley to do it in a warm bath, then he is less likley to wee on the carpet, but lol on the licking it off the floor.

RE us, we are now starting the new house count down. We are scimping and scraping together every little bit we can so we don't have to borrow too much. We have a block of land and are hoping to begin building early next year. So it is all getting pretty exciting. Especially because once the house is here and around when xavier is 2 I will be able to start planning bubba #2!!

Well best be off

Kim - Fingers crossed for you!! Hope things go well! OMG about the dogs! How is Hayden doing now?

Rhi - Good luck with the cold turkey dummy. We really need to do the same thing here. Sleep school - I'm going to hold off for a while, he may just grow out of it. My sister went to one, through her health nurse. I don't know where it was, only that she was there a week.

Becca - Congratulations on Xavier crawling!! It's such an exciting time now that he can get to what he can see. Only now, look out! He'll be into everything! lol :) I agree that BF bubs slow down on the weight gain. Jensen actually lost 5g between 6-7mths. But he's right back up now and is getting a buddha belly. How exciting about the house!

I can hear Jensen having a sook in the loungeroom, so I best be quick... Jensen's caught a cold. After discussing how sick my sisters boy was in his first year, and saying that Jensen's never been sick... What happens? He catches a cold. He's not alway as irritable as I expect, but sometimes he's a nightmare. Snot running from his nose and drool from his mouth (so he can breathe better he breathes thru his mouth) is not a good look. Had a fever of 38.8 the other night, seemed to go down with panadol and huge 1130pm feed of bm. During the day, he wont bf, so, despite the fact I'm a little disappointed he's not feeding from me, he has to drink something.... Most times you don't even know he has a cold - he's just a normal baby up to his good ol' tricks. His new thing is to stand up on his own with out holding onto anything. Frightening to see as you see all his babyness gone and this little toddler boy grinning stupidly back at you. Makes your heart melt too. :)

WORK.... Well I went in Monday and I needed to have chat to my boss. I got to my desk and there was work in my tray!! Woo hoo!! Only as I thought that the other girl, without looking up from her work, says don't bother doing that work, its for someone else. So I sat there. Then she snaps and says to open my email and print all the invoicing requests. Ok. I did nothing for a good 30mins waiting for my boss. When I get to speak to him I told him how I've been treated out there (and almost burst into tears), he says he doesn't like the way things are going for him either. We've lost a major client, so a lot a work is gone. He says that he'll have to cut my days down to 1 (from 2). I said thats ok, coz I want the rest of my maternity leave off. He thinks for a second, asks when I'll be back and says yes! Yay for me. Then he asked if I wanted to go then... I said yes and got dh to come back and get me! Best day ever! I did feel guilty for not saying yes to the one day a week, but there's no way that I'm doing 1 day a week and being treated like rubbish on that one day iykwim. So I've given 21 July as my first day back. The boss doesn't know much about maternity leave so he's loooking into it, as the boss that was there when I left told me that my job would open for 12 months, so I'm expecting to go back into my job.... we'll see how that goes.

Well, DH is waiting for me to get my gear together so we can go fix someones car..

Have a great weekend!

Hi!
Kim- We don't actually change the toys around. ATM he's not interested in toys. Far more interesting is where he can get to by pulling himself up. With walking.... He'll be walking shortly we can tell! He tries to stand on his own (from squatting to standing or letting go of what he's holding onto). Also, for a long time (and I'm not trying to exaggerate) stand him on his feet, let him hold my fingers and he'll walk me! He used to hate his walker (he's not in it for long coz when he was younger he had a problem with muscle tension) but loves it now coz he can get places on his own by walking. Last week he discovered that he can (somehow) lift the wheels of the walker over the stuff keeping the lino to the floor and over the foam alphabet. And with coaxing from the top step (2 steps) can crawl up.... Was not impressed when my mother showed me that... Where has my baby gone!? I want the sleep 20hrs a day baby back! Sorry to hear that you have to wait again to do your FET. Hope it goes better for you this time!

Did I tell you?? Now that FIL has his mothers will (she passed away two weeks ago) we have to move in with the PIL. It's not a problem, I get along great with MIL, just don't know if it'll save me any money - flat broke with more bills than money. I'm stressing out.:crying:

Kim
Sorry to hear about postponing FET - hope the time goes quick for you.
We don't change our toys over either, we have them in a big basket from Ikea and she pulls it down and pulls them out. Mostly though, like the other babies, Ella doesn't play with toys, she normally goes looking for things to pull herself up on or climb onto (or things to chew on like Hot Wheels cars). Myles wasn't a climber so it is weird for us to see her try and climb on top of everything, Myles' big playdoh container, his Little People Garage (which she doesn't fit on btw), and his wooden chair, not to mention the washing baskets which I think are the favourite, plus the two stairs to the study. The worse thing is that she just goes forward to climb off, and has hit her head on the tiles where I moved the playdoh container to, I just forgot to shut the gate so she couldn't get through, it was such a big thud.

I don't know what you can do about the toilet, put a couple of bath toys on the floor and hope he will play with them? Who am I kidding - Ella has to climb on Myles' step in the bathroom or touch his toilet seat (disgusting!!!). I hope the germs help their immune system.

Campari - how are you going with the dummy and sleeping?
I dropped Myles at a friend's place,and being 12 gave Ella a bf and put her to bed. I am meant to pick up Myles at 1.30, and she only went to sleep at 1pm!!!!! Damn.

Scone - congratulations on going back on mat lve! I am so pleased for you - although not great about the client etc, but fantastic you can spend more time with Jensen.
I don't understand why you have to move in with PIL??? Sorry to hear of your DH's loss.

I have put Ella onto only 3 bf a day, and now she feeds 3 in the day and 3 at night. I am so tired. But at least she is eating more solids. She still won't drink formula from a cup.
Has anyone else found that their baby will eat more bought baby food than what they cook? Ella ate a whole jar of Nutrica vegetables and rice and will only eat 5 teaspoons of my chicken, carrot and parsnip mash. I have decided if that is what she likes, I won't bother cooking until she is a bit older and she can have the bought stuff and I will just give her finger food of what we eat where I can.

We are all healthy, although I really need to start taping Brothers and Sisters on Sunday night, I am just so impatient with the kids on Mondays from not enough sleep.

Take care everyone.

I forgot to say I went to the Matchbox 20 Concert on Thursday night and it was fantastic.

DH was a gem looking after Ella who screamed for an hour after I left, eventually went to sleep only to wake at 10pm and crawled around quite happily until finally going to sleep about 11.30pm. I got home just after midnight with full bb and she didn't even wake up until 4.30am for a feed.

DH said she did this thing where she cried for a bit and then looked at the door to her room to see if I was coming/there. Has been a little clingy but not to bad since I abandoned her for the night.

I am really lucky DH just copes, even though he had a presentation on Friday. Mind you I did tell him to try formula in a cup a few weeks before hand but he wouldn't listen.