Babies Born February 2007 #4

thx girls :)

I do let him comfort suck alot atm,, and I am also drinking heaps,, as I have a shocking flu,, so cant eat as my throat feels like it is on fire. Plus with fevers,, I have to drink loads.
Griffen at 10 weeks, weighed in at 6310grams, length was 61.5cm,, and HC was 41.8cm,,,, so he was around the 85th percentile for growth all over (but in perfect proportion) , and was spot on for his weight then. But now, he weighs only 6800grams, so has only put on 490grams in 7 weeks, that is only 70 grams a week (according to my ECN, the minimum he should be puttin on is 150grams,,, over twice as much). his length now is 68cm, and HC is 44cm, so they are in the 90th percentile, which is on par with his growth,, but he is only on the 35/40th percentile for his weight now, so that is why the ECN and my gp are concerned. It is not the actual weight itself that is the worry,,, it is the fact that for his height and HC,,, he is now underweight, and the weight gain is slowing down more and more, so i dont want to risk him actually losing weight. (i know,,, i am being a bit overprotective,,,, but I just cant help freaking out lol,,,,, I am sure you all know what that is like with your precious bubbas)
I agree with you Ryn and Smylie,,,, I dont think pushing him into solids because he is not getting enough milk to keep him going well,, is the solution,,, as he is still going to be lacking anyway. More milk is what he needs.
Will have to begg my gp for a script i think,, as i have already been drinking and feeding him heaps,, i just havent got the reserves atm to keep up i think.

Ok, I promise to write again later when i feel better,, and will do personnals then :)

Love Lil

Hello
Is everyone busy busy busy????
This baby looking after caper is full on at times isn't it? SO hard these days to get out of the house too with the weather the way it is.
How is everyone's bubs?
Anyone else on solids? I have started giving Quinn some millet cereal once a day and he LOVES it! Little piggy eats all of it and waits with his mouth open when I am gettting the next spoonful ready, just like a baby bird. so cute.

Hi Kirsten! Yup we're doing solids too and Isabella also waits with her mouth open, now that she knows what I'm putting in there. Very cute.

You've all probably guessed how chuffed we were when the Danish royals asked if we'd mind if they named their daughter after our beautiful Isabella. We figured that one more little Princess Isabella in the world could only be a good thing! Hee hee!

Isabella was weighed again yesterday. She's now 6.8kg - only in the 60th percentile now (she was in the 75th last time). The MCHN isn't worried, so neither am I.

Also, day sleeps are GO! I am able to get her to have one in her COT at least twice a day now. Yippee! They only last around 45 minutes still, but hey - I'm not complaining!

Isabella's calling for attention and it's such a beautiful day today, so we're heading outside. Have a good one everyone!

I'm feeling a bit left out and boring due to the ongoing sleep issues, so have been quiet recently. I have so many bruises from Lieby using my arm as a teether too. He's been teething for 12 weeks now, more than half his life! Where are the bleeding teeth? Plus he has a cold and was vomitting blood Monday, which the doctor said was normal and nothing to worry about so long as he didn't keep it up.

Just another 2 months to solids with us - wish me luck, Liebling can already use a spoon (he plays with plastic spoons and bowls at mealtimes, he can pick up the spoon by the handle and stick the spoon bit in his mouth) and keeps trying to grab my food. Just with DH's allergies there's no way I'm introducing solids early, no matter how much Liebling wants them - he'll have to be feeding hourly before... oh, hang on, I think 2 hours between feeds is good atm. Hmm, well, at least we can still get out and about so I'll think more about it later.

Hi girls :)

Ryn - Give Samuel an extra big cuddle from us hun,, poor little mite has been having a bad run lately huh. Would leibling use a teething ring at all?, I have a couple that you put in the fridge. I know that they dont always like biting an object, but prefer to bite mum,, as Griffen likes to suck the life out of my wrists when I am holding him hehe,,,, but If he is leaving bruises,, he might have a strong enough bite urge to use one?

Michelle - that is fantastic that Isabella is having those naps now,,, it is so hard when you have a littly that wont go down to get anything done! Also,,,, Princess must read BB and have seen how gorgeous Isabella is huh lol, It certainly will make a great story for when she grows up hehe.

Kirsten - I hope you can get a photo to capture that feeding pose from Quinn,, sounds absolutely adorable hehe. I also back you up on the weather thing atm,,,,,, I took the older boys to the park today to ride their bikes on its bmx track,, and it was soo windy,,, bubby had trouble catching his breath!!, just to feed him i had to completely cover him including his head,,, then we just had to leave and come home.

Hi to all you other gorgeous mums :D

Well,, we have some more news about Griffens problems atm,,, and none of it was good.
I got him in on monday for an emergency weigh at the ECHN, and in the last 10 days,, his weight had gone from 6800grams,,, down to 6530 grams :( . The ECHN says his weigh is now down to the 15% percentile, yet his growth in the other meaasurements is still in the 90%,, so you can imagine how skinny and long he looks atm!!
She gave me strict orders to start rice cereal immediately,,,,, and that i am now to feed him every 2 hours at least during the day.
I didnt want to start him on solids yet,,, but she assured me that if i just stick to plain rice cereal, it shouldn't have any impact on allergies being caused. I just pray that when i go back in 2 weeks time,(she ideally wanted weighs every week,, but she is flat chat and over booked till then), the little munchkin will haved gained weight instead of losing heaps again.
On a brigter note,,,, he has started playing with toys and passing them from hand to hand!!, and he also manipulates his toys on his rockers toybar with his feet hehe. So funny to watch :)

Lil, Lieby will grab a teether and stick it into his mouth, but he much prefers my fingers, knuckles and arms. He has fridge teethers, rattle teethers, bead teethers, teethers on his play-mat, musical teethers... and still goes for my arm. I don't let him get my wrists. I am wondering if he's managed to bruise the bone in the lower knuckle of my left index finger, it's really painful!

I love to watch the toys being manipulated with the feet, it's so cute! Liebling was doing that looong before he discovered his feet with his hands (that's a very recent discovery). Or lying on his back with legs in the air kicking the activity bar of his playmat! So cute!

BTW, is it normal for babies this age to be able to stand up all by themselves? I just hold Liebling's hand and he stands up with very few wobbles. I know if I let go he'd be over like a shot, but if he stands up and grabs his activity arch he supports himself on that... he can't sit unaided for long, but loves to stand up (can push himself up from sitting) and hold on to things for balance. DH is so excited about Lieby starting to walk... I'm not! I'll be the one chasing after him all day! He isn't walking for months yet!

OMG Lil!!!!! Try not to stress about allergies. I hope Griff stacks on some weight.

Ryn - Abbey has been doing that for awhile. My MIL (who was an MCHN) said that it is advanced for her age. This was at the beginning of June. I'm not sure when it becomes "normal".

Kirsten - how cute! Abbey does the same - and after she has finished she holds her mouth open for more! So cute!

Michelle - Yay for the sleeps! WOOHOO!
What is new here? Abbey is on solids. Hated Farex until I mixed in apple - now it's her fav! She started Childcare this week and loves it which is good. And it is helping her sleep at night which is even better! She is sleeping from about 6:30 - 4ish which is so nice! I bet I just jinxed it though :rolleyes: I go back to work Monday :( DH leaves for the US the following Monday :dance: ... that's about it.

hugs and Kisses to all the bubs!

hey hey
isnt funny how all our babies are doing the same things yet we all feel like our babies have got to be doing something amazing??? Coz they ARE!! Jemima rocks! she dont need me she is having an awesome time all by herself.... loves all her toys, loves to gnaw on everything, loves to sleep on me and play on me, i think she really loves our visits to the oldies too! she is a lovely baby, I am so so lucky there.

The oldies are SURE there are teeth coming but she like ALL the babies has had signs of teething for months! But i humour them and agree that the teeth MUST be bothering her, there is definately something in there so we will just keep waiting and hoping it is not teeth coz all the kids with teeth seem to want to cut their lips when they fall over and bite their mummies... not cool. (so if i keep singing "all i want for CHRISTMAS is my two front teeth" she may do as she is told hehehehe)


still have not got jemima to the pool and now it is too cold, maybe we will try that next weekend, i want benji there the first time so he can share in watching jemima experience big pool, she loves water seems to always have loved water,never cracks up in the bath or shower PLEASE GOD DONT LET HER WANT TO BE A SWIMMER! i dont want to be a pool mum i'd much rather a 'team' sport ho hum not up to me

so so close to getting new kitchen it is so exciting, old friends partner came out to measure up to give us quote today and we have bought the applicances, and i have drawn on the lino where the new bench will come out to so i can imagine it and change my mind before it is too late.... i think when we get new kitchen i will start jemima on solids so she only associates proper food with the kitchen not the lounge room which is where she would have to have them if i started now as we dont have table and chairs anymore

i gave jemima some yogurt the other day she was pretty funny - and i know i was being bad mummy as she had had nothing ever and then all of a sudden she has some i think vanilla yogurt shoved in her mouth but we had fun for a couple of spoons, then she got a bit scared of the process i think and had a little tiny sook so i laughed at her and ate the rest of my yogurt..... my grandma loves to shove rockmelon in her mouth for her to suck on too so she will probably be looking for the flavour when i pull out the rice cereal.....


lil- get that food into your baby!!!!! dont worry about allergies sounds like he wants food and lots of it, do your older boys have allergies that you are worried about?? i wouldnt worry too much about his height/weight either as that is the same weight/height as jemima's cousin who is one week older than jem and she looks long and skinny but is absouloutely fine!

ryn - jemima and her cousin are the only babies i know "in real life" that sleep through consistantly, so dont worry you are not alone! the baby born same day as jemima has 7pm feed, 12am and 4.30am feed EVERY night without fail his mummy is very tired, accross the road has found that dreamfeeding her 13week old got rid of the 12am or 2am feed she sneaks into room between 10 and 11pm (keeps changing it as baby started to get used to it and waking up expecting it) and keeps lights off and feeds baby and puts baby down asleep with full tummy and baby stays asleep MOST nights until 5.30am. Jemima has started the last week to wake at 10pm or 10.30pm which is ok coz i am still awake but that is weird for her! could be the weather.... and putting herself to sleep at no consistant time at night it is now between 5pm and 8pm that she decides it is bedtime and it usually makes no difference to what time she wakes in the morning ..... SOMETIMES i think i should give in to peer pressure and make jemima have a routine.... ho hum

dont you hate it when you are already to go somewhere and baby is asleep and looking so damn beautiful..... to wake and be on time with grumpy interupted baby or to let sleep and be late?? ho hum

I get emails from Anne sometimes and she says hello, i have asked her for a link to her website so i can see how big Cameron is getting when I get it i'll share it...

OK, I started Wellie on solids yesterday. And he slept. Poor lad, I was starving him! He couldn't wait to grab the spoon and stick it in his mouth! My table manners lessons must be paying off, he kept starting at the bowl, then the spoon I was holding, then me, and so on until I put some baby rice/banana (he had 2 sets of solids because baby rice tastes like bland semolina and neither of us liked it) on the spoon, then he grabbed the spoon and stuck it in his mouth.

But then, he's starting to sit up unaided, can stand with support (just don't let go of the support and bang your head again!), can use a spoon with nothing on it all by himself and was feeding even overnight constantly - the most I could get him to do, and that was when he was asleep the whole time, was two and a half hours. Last night he almost slept through again (ie did almost 5 hours). Bless him, he woke me up for a feed by stroking my back, I love it I have my happy boy back! But can't believe we slept with him in my bed and me rolling over so my back was to him... and he stayed asleep! The only thing he doesn't do is be over six months old, so I get to beat myself up twice; once for starving him, twice for not waiting for six months. I love this mummy stuff! But then, I took advice from a lactation consultant, two breastfeeding counsellors and my GP yesterday before starting it, so it can't be all that bad.

Sorry, that was a bit all about me, but just to say Lieby is a solids baby too now, despite my best intentions. It was that or formula top-ups, which would have started had the sleeping stayed the way it was (me getting under 4 hours in half-hour slots and walking the floors all night).

Hi Girls
Kel - Yes, my other three boys all get eczema, and the youngest of the three is EXTREMELY hypo,, his paediatrician thinks alot has to do with fool intolernaces and additives, so we are slowly doing an elimination thing with him atm, and he is on EyeQ supplement to help with it. To add to the situation,, my husband has a severe nut allergy,,, any nuts, or any nut product cause severe difficulty breathing,, and vommiting, so that is why both my gp and the ECHN were so keen to keep Griffen away from food till the "magic" 6 month mark.
Unfortunately fate had other ideas,,,, and when the nurse saw his weight the last time I went in,,, her shocked look and her reply of "oh crap" said it all.
As I said in one of my lasts posts,,,, it is not his actual weight that is to problem,,,it is the fact that his weight gains plummetted and now he is losing weight instead.
He has been eager for a while to try solids, and was getting soo fussy when it was our dinnertime,,,,, so now that we have finally started giving him the plain farex,,, he absolutely works himself up into a state!!!! I have to hold both hands away, as he frantically grabs the spoon from me and shoves it into his mouth!!. He squeals if I am not quick enough,,, and it is kind of like a very fast conveyer belt,,,, constant shovelling,, or all hell breaks loose and he starts screaming.
Even after having about 1.5 tablespoons of the farex powder, mixed,,, he chucks up a fuss,, until i then let him have his spoon to play with for a few minutes,, then he calms right down and practices putting it in and out of his mouth hehe.
I get him weighed again next monday,, and am going to see what veges and fruits would be classed as low risk so i can give him a variety. I also think that to add healthy weight to him,, he needs more that plain farex.

I am also wondering if the downfall of his weights etc,, is causing him to be lethargic and not want to play as much,, as when i put him on the floor for play, he will sometimes turn onto his side,, but then go straight back ointo his back again. He has no desire it seems to try and roll over,, and even on his tummy,,,, he lifts his head and lifts his chest a bit,, but makes no effort at all to roll then either,,,,,,,,,,,I am not sure if he is just taking his time to get those skills,, or wether he is being held back a bit, as he is no where near as energetic as he used to be when he was putting on nice amounts of weight.
Anyway,,, how are the holidays treating you all?
Ryn - Wow!!!! Leib is a super baby!!!! Sitting unaided,, and standing with a little support!!!,,,, before you know it,, he will be running hehe.
I really hope his dinners can now tide him over for you so you can both get some more sleep!!, but that really does sound so cute of him to wake mummy up so gently :) he really must be a little gentleman hehe.
Anyhow,, I am still nursing this horrid flu,,, so I best be off to bed :)

lil - now i totally understand why you were so reluctant to get food into that boy.... allergies everywhere! and i didnt even think when i read he had lost weight that of course you would have to do something.... well derrr to me! how weird though for such a sudden weightloss..... so are you breastfeeding and giving solids now.... how exciting.....
i'm still holding out i guess til 6 months or maybe til jemima tells me otherwise as i am still one of the lucky ones that only has to deal with poo once a week, for 5 days in a row i had one poo a day after her 4 month needles but since then back to at least 5 days between poos...!! so i am not going to introduce solids and lots of poo in our lives....

Lil, DH has the same allergy your DH does to nuts (slightly less severe, but only slightly), plus DS already has mild eczema and hay fever, which was why I wanted to wait too. IKWYM about grabbing the spoon and shoving it in! It's so cute, but as I had to use a teaspoon last night I was worried about choking; we now have baby spoons.

Hi Girls,

Been in Perth this last week so been catching up on all the goings on.Erin rolled over yesterday I was very excited. She is starting to sit up really well now as well. We had her needles before we left and they all went ok.

Trying to get her use dto sleeping on her cot during the day again as she has vbeen constantly in the car, pram and being held the last week.

Sorry this is short but little Miss Erin is making typing a bit hard on my lap.Hope every one is well.

Hi there everyone

I haven't joined in on your discussions because I just don't seem to get much time to get on to the computer. But, I've been reading your thread and am amazed at all the things your babies are doing.

Daniel is now on solids once a day (usually apple and Farex) and he eats like it's going out of fashion. He sits with his mouth open waiting for the next mouth full and when I run out, all hell lets loose. I've been told to feed him his bottle and THEN the solids, but I'm doing it the other way. Nothing goes to waste - he is an eating machine.

He has also started rolling and does it constantly now that he has it worked out. Only thing is he gets tired A LOT faster now. He's lying on the floor next to me here and shouts every time I look at the computer, then when I look at him he smiles, wiggles around and flaps his arms. Just a little treasure. Oops, now he's flopped over again. What a clever guy!!

I've been having a review of the whole - "having a new baby thing" - this morning and am very disulisioned (sp).

I've just started going to a parent group, which I initially said I wouldn't do, but thought maybe I could learn some stuff. It has made me even more aware of the 'DON'T DO THIS! DON'T DO THAT!' I have encountered through Daniel's last 20 weeks.

I found his first 12 weeks very difficult and, even though lots of health care professionals profess to be there to help you, they're really not. I first encountered this when I was in hospital on the third day. I was lying in my bed having a bit of a sook - as is expected - and noticed a midwife walk in the room and try to "secretly" sneak out because she evidently didn't feel like "dealing" with me.

There have been many occasions where I have felt this sort of thing since, but it just got rammed home to me again yesterday when I was at this mother's group. I told the health nurse that I was giving Daniel solids and she stated she thought it was too soon and that I should have really waited until the 6 month mark (note what I said about how much he LOVES his apple and pear and peas). No amount of stating his love for the food would convince her. DS is also AF because my milk did just not appear. Dunno where it was but it never came in at all - so that had me going on the third day too.

I guess my advice to any new mums out there would be - do what you reckon is a good thing. If your baby loves solids at 20 weeks, give them solids. If the baby is hungry, feed them - don't delay feeding because "they really shouldn't be eating that much". I just can't believe how people - especially from the health care profession, wan't to make mothers go by a timeline and make them feel like garbage if they don't.

My DS is a little giggly bundle and we just love each other to bits. I didn't feel that attraction to him for quite a long time because having a newborn is soooooo difficult and is a real hump to get over. I think it will be easier the second time around as I'll dictate the terms and won't be expecting anything out of anyone ('cept DH). You don't realise how difficult it is until you have a newie.

I've learnt that I can get along great by myself and this pseudo health profession can go jump. All I need them for is vaccinations.

There's a lot more to this but I'm cutting it short for DS's sake. He needs a play pal.

Do or did any of you feel this way?

What a grump, eh?

Wow, Lesty, sounds like you have it bad! I had an awful midwife in hospital (who did "deal" with me by trying to make me feel crap), but everyone else is pretty good. Only one really great emergency GP, the other 3 (oddly enough, the 3 girls) were a bit too blasé for my liking. My GP is fantastic though, but then we're friends anyway so I suppose she has to be! The health visitors here push for solids at 4 months so were amazed I almost reached 5 before introducing solids, but now he is on solids I'm getting a lot of help and advice.

With other mothers, I started attending groups and sussing out other parenting styles; I now talk to mothers who agree with me about parenting, and the other mothers about shoes. Works out pretty well. DS has a few "friends" now too; he has one little girl he especially adores and she lives just five minutes away so that's great.

Also, the whole bonding thing is going very, very slowly here (I now feel like a sister or a cousin rather than a babysitter, but still not a mother) and can't wait to have a little baby like DS all of my own! DH is a bit worried about how broody I am already. But I think this is why I am finding it so "easy" (aside from the odd night with no sleep and mood swing) - because DS isn't "my" baby, I don't fret too much. The HV yesterday was talking about how and why you respond instantly to cries - actually, it's no primeval instinct, if I know he's with someone I can let him cry a bit (for example, if I want a long hot shower and DH is looking after DS), I just know that I don't want to let him cry without someone trying to do something about it and I don't want the neighbours to get really mad about it. So maybe I'll find the next one a bit harder than DS, although during the day he is an absolute angel.

Yeah, Ryn. I know what you mean about the crying. I'm not rushing to DS when he cries, as long as I know someone is with him. It's just the "doing something about it". If my DH is trying to comfort him and DS is still crying I'm not concerned - it's just part and parcel.

I've just felt VERY disilussioned (I really should look up that word, but I can't be jiggered) and I probably sound like a prima donna. But I'm a pretty solid person and can deal with it. What about the people that can't? I mean, I'm 31 and have had enough people take advantage of me to know that I can tell people what I think - but what about women that are scared to ask questions and feel that they must stick to the "timeline" come hell or high water? There's an element of the health care nurses looking down their noses too, which I have not been impressed with at all.

The crux of the situation is that I have ended up with a beautiful son and we have ridden the waves and are coming out the other side with our relationship even stronger. That's just me, I am concerned about others in this region.

DS does like other babies and little kids. He saw a little boy today and just burst out laughing - the little boy wasn't even doing anything. It's really funny.

And...... he's been rolling around the house all day!! It's insane!! He rolls from one end of the room to the other just because he can. Then he stops sometimes when he's on his belly, lifts his head and dribbles all over the show. His little legs go up in the air and he balances on his belly.

Thanks for listening to my grumble anyway.

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