Babies Born June 2006 #15

Like I've said before, if you're only exposure to AP is what you've seen recently on TV, then I'm afraid you don't have a great basis for opinion on it! Let me tell you now. EC kids use toilets sooner than nappied kids. Co-sleeping is a choice more parents make than will admit to (and it takes many forms, including kids coming to bed early in the morning!), of COURSE kids stop BFing! It's called infant-led weaning and there's a thread on it right here on BB, so it's not such a freaky thing. People have been APing for ages, right up to the present time...how many 15 year olds do you see still BFing just cos their parents didn't wean them at 2yo? How many 15 yo'd do you know of who still co-sleep? Co-sleeping kids DO show a preference for sleeping on their own, generally by the age of 4 and up until that time they are weaning themselves from the family bed...so none of this entering the rest of society business comes as a shock to these kids. They are generally well-adjusted kids who show a greater propensity for social independence and confidence when they interact with peers (pre-school etc) than other kids - I know this seems contradictory, but I've read the research (well, the tip of the iceberg of research) and the anecdotes and I know people who do all or some of these AP things. No, no-one's judging anyone who doesn't AP, so why should people be judged if they do? Especially when it's based on inaccuracy and half-truths? It's like having an opinion on the digestive system of birds when your specialty is fish and you've never picked up a text about birds, only ever seen them sitting on trees! Our societal fear of returning to 'savagery' is really misplaced when it comes to AP, it's bemusing...
Well, today I tried my shoulder sling for the first time in piggy back mode - and put the washing out with it...he had a great time! Now he's in koala mode, and fidgeting a bit - fighting sleep is my guess.
Got a few more loads of washing to do - perfect day for it and I haven't spent the morning in bed, for once!
My eBay terry nappies arrived, so I'll wash them and they'll be ready by the end of today. So, I've got half and half of coloured terries and white ones, with the flannel pile getting smaller as I use them up, wash them and put them away...my little boy is growing up :( Can I say again how much fun I am having with this cloth nappy caper? Disposables are great, especially at night, but they take the fun out of having a baby!
Howzat about the wrong baby being given to the mummies to BF in hospital over the weekend? To me the issue is that the mummies were separated in the first place for this to happen, but the actual BFing another child (to me) is no biggie, no great affront to my sensitivities - it's just indicative of why hospitals need to be genuinely 'baby-friendly' and discourage mummies and babies being separated whilst checked in. No way was I in danger of feeding the wrong baby cos Oscar was in my sight, in our bed or on my chest at all times! There's another one for the argument with my mum about letting the midwives take the baby away to give me a 'rest' - she thought I was mad that I wouldn't want a break from a new baby. Sheesh, it's not at the start that you need the break, it's later down the track. And I haven't arrived that far down the track yet, though I fully understand how some women DO need that break. I digress, my point is about the hospital mix up. They could have potentially taken the wrong babies home!

ETA: Sorry, Nic, if I've made you feel 'jumped on'...not my intention! I just see a falsehood being perpetuated about something I know about and I feel compelled to rectify it here. I'm not attacking you in the least, just illustrating how TV 'current affairs' scrape the bottom of the barrel in order to keep audiences so that the advertisers feel their dollar is going further. I just hate that people are afraid to admit that they do co-sleeping, babywearing, EC etc because they know that its misunderstood and that they'll have to justify it if found out. Me, I'm not afraid to say it to anyone who asks how Oscar is sleeping and how I'm coping with demand feeding (fine, thanks, cos we co-sleep!). I think this is why I prefer my ABA group to my mothers group - by virtue of where I live (Dandy Ranges - tree hugging hippy land!), there are lots of AP and Natural Parenters in my ABA group and we share information and experiences. It's nice to talk about what you do with your kids without feeling defensive or deviant! Again, nothing personal, Nic - it's just typical of commercial TV to distort the truth.
ETA again: and because I am so full of integrity and the need for truth, I'm off to check out Hollywood Rag online for celebrity gossip...

To continue the AP discussion : I actually watched the 60 minutes show yesterday on ninemsn with a friend who had watched it the night before (friend has 10 mo daughter) She was going on about how wrong the parenting on the show was but then I showed her the 8 ideals of APing - turns out we are both doing most things on the list. Anyways, like I said the other day, I think we are APing without knowing it.

gotta go -my boys need me

Hi all!

Well I've taken about an hour just to catch up on posts and knew the sparks would fly about the 60 Minutes story. I didn't watch it for the reason that I knew it would be crap journalism anyway. Just the trailers showing the toddlers and school age children swarming around their mother like a barnyard cow (sorry but once they're over 18 months there is NO nutritrional value of breastmilk 'cause they are on solids - they're just comfort sucking which is totally gross at that age!!). And the ultimate turn off was putting the kid's bum in the air to go to the toilet - totally barbaric (and unhygenic) no matter what anyone thinks we just don't do that in the 21st century, civilised world! So Nic I'm with you!

I'm sure I too have opened up a can of worms but I do agree 60 minutes is a one sided and crap show anyway regardless of what I think. But as I said I didn't watch the story 'cause the trailers left me quite disgusted.

Gotta take Aleise to get immunised today and she's now crying for attention so I have to go.
Will catch up again soon - must dash.

This may sound dumb but.....WHAT THE HELL DOES AP STAND FOR???

You guys are having a major debate here so i would like to know what we are talking about so i can make an opinion of my own!!

I think every parent should use their own methods for raising their child. I have noticed that there is so much conflicting info on raising children , from breastfeeding/formula feeding , co-sleeping , starting solids this and that.
Everyone has their facts and figures and " great " statistic numbers to back up their own theory.
At the end of the day we should all apply what we believe is right for OUR OWN child and let others raise their own the way they choose without trying to push our beliefs.
Phew!
Now that ive stated my opinion , I just wanted to say that we are starting solids on Saturday !! woohoo.. If Aneta understood im sure she'd be as excited as me

AP is "attachment parenting" - there was a supposed expose on it on 60 minutes on sunday which totally misrepresented the conept by focusing on one or two extreme examples - kind of like doing a story on how bad smacking is by profiling a family where kids are regularly belted black and blue. Attachmentparenting.org actually explains what it stands for (love your child, cuddle them lots, BF if you can, and if you can't cuddle them while feeding, co-sleep, but if you don't want to sleep close to them - nothing freaky really). I am with those who are against kids pooing in front yards but I really doubt every AP parent is into natural elimination (another term for it I think). Kind of like saying if you are in favour of "controlled crying/comforting" that you are also into depriving your two year old of her toys because she didn't make her bed (!!) Like I think the consensus is, from those on both "sides" (not that I think there should be sides in parenting) - commercial tabloid journalism ain't the most objective TV around...

ETA: Enigma I am with you that we should all be able to raise our kids the way we see fit. DH and I have found it really useful, however, to hear other peoples' stories and viewpoints. We have taken the approach of listen to and read as many views as possible and try and work out what works for our family.

Hi girls... not in the best frame of mind today... had an arguement with DH over the phone about several parenting issues. His suggestion was basically "why don't you put the boys in care and return to study?" Pffft! Why on Earth does he think that will make life any better??? We disagree about verity's diet for example... he buys her crap like Fantastic Noodles and lots of other high salt/sugar fodder because apparently I should be getting up earlier to make her proper healthy snacks for school like his mum did until he was in year 12! This is despite the fact that the last time I did the shopping I bought none of that rubbish and verity "made do" with taking cheese and crackers to school (for example)... ie she has been perfectly capable of making her own lunch since she was about 7 yo and now all of a sudden he thinks I ought to be doing it. He seems so bloody hell bent on turning this family into his own disfunctional experience of a family in which he grew up. He dumped ANOTHER wet towel on the carpet last night which made my blood boil. So I'm going on strike... he can pick up his own clutter from now on and I won't tell him where stuff is if it hasn't been returned to it's rightful spot anymore. I just can't get OVER how he thinks me returning to study will fix all the chaos in our lives!!! I know it will make it worse and i certainly won't be able to study amidst it all! Geeze men have short memories... can't he remember how incredibly difficult it was when i was studying last time??? And we only had Verity... can't he remeber how he resented having to take on more duties and picking Verity up after school etc and how he said that it was having a negative impact on his job??? The thing is he has never studied since year 12 (when his mother was dutifully doing EVERYTHING for him)... he never went to uni... he worked his way up the ladder at the bank to where he is now... doing a bit of online training every so often and doing paid for courses within work time. He has never had to write essays at home... and quite frankly I know he doesan't have the time management skills to study at a tertiary level and juggle kids at the same time. Sure he is very clever and can problem solve a lot faster than his colleagues... but it's all done in the serenity of an office... trying to nut out stuff with the noise of kids and having to do things in a stop start fashion just isn't his style.... nor is multitasking.... so I really resnt him suggesting i take on more at this stage of my life amidst the chaos that he himself never "has time" to deal with.

Phew! rant over.... must be something in the air again... I'll come back when I've calmed down a bit.

ETA: Oh Geeze I didn't read all of today's posts before typing in my little tirade. Girls girls girls! Please don't let the Media Barons win! That 60 Minutes program was MEAN'T to divide opinion and force people to "take sides". I for one won't take sides because in all honesty I agree with a little of what you have all said. I also do respect people who take the time to fully research an issue before stating their opinions... however it is also ok to have an opinion based on your values. I agree wholeheartedly that most of us are actually practising a lot of Attachment Parenting already. Regarding the BFing of older children I reserve judgement. It is not a black and white issue. Something that does spring to mind though is that if our family was thrust into poverty I would continue to express my milk for as long as possible because nutritionally it will always have value akin to gold. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable attaching an older child (beyond 2yo) but if some people do then that's there business... what would society prefer? A mother doing this or a mother feeding a child crap like Maccas every day.... compare both sceanrios and question which choice has the greater cost to society? Which child would grow up healthier and which child will grow up being a drain on the health system due to ill health? How would you like your tax dollar spent? When in doubt i try to look at things objectively... please don't be offended. What I'm saying is that when you are outraged by an 'extreme' you've got to look at the other 'extreme' rather than compare it to the 'norm'. Regarding kids doing their "business" outside. Yes, this grosses me out... but come summer I bet you all will be tempted to let your little ones play outside in the backyard without a nappy...and voila! they will do it on the lawn... just make sure a journalist isn't in the vicintiy because you too could be labelled a "freak". *sigh* Just hose it into the grass and move on... your little darling won't turn feral... if you don't make a fuss you might avoid it becoming a barrier to effective toilet training.... gotta keep emotions away from elimination or else you're setting yourselves up for huge hassles.... that's just my experience. I'm not saying to praise such behaviour I'm just saying "reinforce positive behaviour and ignore the negative" and you will have more results. Then again you might prefer to spend a fortune on Little Swimmers when you want to let your child have water play at home. Oh and speaking of being grossed out: I am currently grossed out by Wade's need to constantly pick his nose... but through constant and kind words i am daily reinforcing that "we don't do that on the train.... we don't do that in the shops.... we don't do that at Kinder...." and you know what... he (generally) doesn't. However if I scolded he would become sneaky and then he would probably do it in public because what a child thinks he is getting away with is not what we think is! He will end up embarrassing himself on the first day of school when he is discovered. But if a child has good, constant, and gentle communication about things like this it will work more effectively than shame. Shame just leads to sneakiness. Apply it to any scenario. Ok... lecture cut short by a waking Niall.... later girls... love you all :)

Well I am taking a well earned break in the middle of a hectic day of what is turning out to be a extremley hectic week.

60 Mins I did not watch the show so I can't really comment on its contents, however know what journalism is like I can only imagine that it was very biased and one sided. What I can say however is that each parent has right to choose how they bring up there child and my problem is the need to label everything. I do not choose to subscribe to any one theory I do what is right for my child and myself, and my husband- yes Tori sleeps in her cot till about 3-4am most nights and then comes into bed with us, do I do it because I subscribe to a particular theory- no, I do it because at that time of the morning I am tired, she is tired and unsettled and the best thing for my family is that we get a decent amount of sleep. I am a breastfeedingt mum at the moment, but I am choosing to start weaning my baby shortly- for me waiting for infant led weaning is not possible because of work commitments- however I should not be made to feel guilty about my choice, it is much better that I go back to work and earn some money so we have a house to live in, than keep breast feeding untill Tori choose to wean and be living on the streets. I guess what I am saying is that every body makes a choice how to parent based on there own situation, I am not suggesting that everybody does what is right for my family, nor do I expect anyone else to be able to tell me what is right for mine. All that shows like 60 mins do is cause us to question or parenting, and start looking for a label for how we bring up our children- because we are made to feel the need to justify ourselves and our choices to everyone.

Anyway.......moving right along. I rang the school I was teaching at untill I went on maternity leave to find out about what is happening with jobs next year, only to be told that there is a possibility there will be no positions.......this would be fine if I hadnt been told 6 weeks ago not to start looking for anything else because there would be positions coming up. Now I have missed out on the opportunity to apply for quite a few suitable jobs, and I am having to rush around and organise job applications to send of for jobs that are closing soon. All this needs to be done before I go away friday morning, as if I didnt have enough to do already.

I best go and get on with it, otherwise I will still be washing and packing suitcases, cleanign the house, and addressing selection criteria at midnight on thursday night.

Hi everyone

Well, what a lovely Melbourne day!! I've done 3 loads of towels, and 4 loads of clothes... still got another load or two to go. At least they'll be dry!! That what i get for being sick... 10 lods of washing lol.

DH went to his first SES meeting last night, he's really looking forward to getting involved. He has done a lot of emergency management, first aid, firefighting and a range of other things while in the navy, and it would be good to put those things to use, while getting some new skills. And we'll get to meet some new people, we dont really have any friends to go to BBQ's and family days with in MElbourne.

Is it true that there's meant to be a late change today?? at least all my washing will be done and i can cleant he rest of the house tomorrow...

Girls just a reminder that there is a thread about the 60min segment in the TV News and ACA thread that we have here on BellyBelly. Your Baby Buddies forum isn't really the place to have debates happening, lets keep it about those precious babies of yours.

Thanks lovely ladies

Bath - very interesing...how are you supposed to go back to study, run a household AND make Verity's lunch before school?? Isn't that just asking you to be a martyr??? My grr is with you!
Neeny - "NO nutritional value in breastmilk" after 18 months...untrue! It may not be crucial to kids' development, but don't try to tell anyone straightfaced that breastmilk is just lolly water after a certain age because it is patently untrue! It's one thing to be sensitive around people who, for whatever reason, don't breastfeed, it is quite another to call extended breastfeeding 'totally gross'. I don't care that BFing doesn't mean much to you, but it is an important part of my parenting. I feel very liberated since my breasts became 'de-sexualised'! I am not a barnyard cow, my extended breastfeeding friends are not barnyard cows, thanks very much. We do not feel that way and we don't actually care if we offend you because the only explanation we owe is to ourselves and our children. I invite you to explore how you come to the conclusion, within yourself, that extended BFing is gross -what's gross about it? Why? How does it make you feel? Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but on this forum, in this thread, was that comment really necessary?
Ali - the APers on the show never made a judgement call on non-APers, in case that's what you thought had happened on the show - it was the other way around!
Just so happens that the parenting style I am instinctually driven to is pretty much attachment parenting, sans the EC. Attachment theory is not Attachment Parenting, but they are related - it's not like a religion or anything :)
Gotta take Oscar outside for an al fresco feed...

Thanks Kathryn, thats why i havent really dicussed it... I dont want to start a massive debate in here!!

So everyone, hows the weather today?? :)

eta - ik, lol on the al fresco feed!!

Simone - I'm about to put out my last load - the first one is inside already, what a great washing day! I gave the library storytime a miss cos it's too nice a day to forego the washing, being that tomorrow will be raining. Back outside for my own version of storytime - have the playmat on the picnic rug, the rocker with hood, BFing cloth (for my ridiculously fast let down), and the dog kindly depositing his large, chewed doggie tyre at our feet...oh, and an Aldi icypole!
Such a nice backyard day...once the dog poo has been removed!

sounds so nice ik... he boys are in bed, im not inside cleaning today (save that for the indoor day tomorrow) just laying on my bed, tapping away on the laptop, with Anneliese on a pillow bf. what a day. nice and relaxing. And soon, i'll have to brave peak hr to go get DH from Essendon. yay. :)

IK - I feel that you are attacking Neeny without really understanding her situation. Would you say "BFing didn't mean much to you" to someone that had had a masectomy??? Honestly, right now I feel like telling you to pull your head in. Actually, I'm going to do it. Some of us couldn't breastfeed. Not because we didn't want to but because of medical / physical issues. Neeny was expressing HER feelings as others had. I don't feel that your attack was warranted. I appreciate that you are opinionated and like telling everyone exactly what you think. Sometimes (often) you come across as though you feel like you need to be a preacher. You don't. You have continued to ask Neeny if her comment was needed. YES by god it was. Other people were expressing their feelings so Neeny expressed hers. She did not say YOU were a barnyard cow did she? She said SHE is not a barnyard cow. I think that you are so passionate about your BFing success, and good on you, that you have let it warp the way that you perceive the opinions of others. I'm glad you co sleep and enjoy all these things. I personally don't co-sleep. I must be a bad mum right? I don't BF. I started solids early. God there I've fallen several rungs of the mothering according to IK ladder. How will you ever view me? Glad you are so confident in your mothering to take to attacking others on here personally. I was watching this thread hoping it would not turn this way but it has. I feel saddened that Neeny was attacked when she is such a darling woman. I feel that I can no longer be a part of this group.

Good luck ladies. Neeny, hugs to you hun, you didn't deserve what you got. And Nerdy, you know where to find me.

Farewell.

IK- I think I was getting more at parenting in general, everybody likes to believe that they way do things is the best way to do it, and are often more judgemental of people who choose to do it differently. I think it is just the society we live in that makes us fear and judge what we don't know if defence of our own beliefs and values- the old attack before being attacked mentality

I have to agree that the attack on Neeny was unwarranted, I thought this was a safe place to express our points of view.

Candy- For what it is worth I think you are a brilliant mum with a darling son!

Oh dear... Candy I'm sorry to see you leave but darl you've just done what you accused IK of doing: attack. I didn't read any malice in what IK posted but I have to say I did read malice in your post to IK. There is a difference between expressing an opinion and trying to hurt somebodies feelings outright. I don't think IK ever had the direct intention of hurting Neeny's feelings... but I guess I should leave that up to Neey to decide. This is just how I interpreted things.

:(

im with Ali and Candy ... IK you got carried away with your post , and since we are being honest,its not the first time i just preferred not to comment but i will now....
Neeny - you have every right to express your opinion without being "attacked " i agree with a lot of what you said , I hope this episode hasnt put you off posting.... i know it has put me off.

see ya Junies

Please everyone, please dont fight. I thought we were all good in here, no succumbing to the malicious attacks that some have had happen in their threads. PLease dont leave Candy...

As Kathryn posted, there is a place for these discussions, and although i know we all like a good discussion, i really dont want them to happen if this is going to be the outcome. We are all different parents. We have our own styles. That doesnt mean any of us are bad parents, or are doing it 'wrong.'

Coming in here is the highlight of my days, i dont have much in my life, besides my kids... i like being able to talk to people, without fear of prejudice... This is a place of support, can we please keep it that way? Too many have left BB in recent months due to attacks such as this...

So, whats a new, 'everyone-friendly' subject we could start... anyone?

*the weather?

*how much housework i would have to do to make my mother happy? lol

anyone else??

(((Hugs))) we needed to read that post Simone, you're ace ;) C'mon guys we can get through this... how boring would it be if we all had the same opinions and personality??? There are aspects about ALL of you that I absolutely love and aspects that i quietly find hard to swallow... but at the end of the day it's made me realise that tolerance is the glue of society...let's not fall apart!

The weather:actually I'm loving the bit of heat a bit more than usual... certainly easier to cope with now that I'm not preggers!

bath - there was malice regardess of the fact you choose not to see it. yes, I have attacked. and quite frankly I am not one bit sorry. It has always come across that IK has felt her way was the right way and has preached it. I feel you need to re-read IKs response to Neeny. it was very pointed. "I don't care if BFing means nothing to you". How would IK know what it meant to Neeny, or to me or anyone else for that matter? she doesn't. I'm glad she is an oversupplier (which she brags about all the time) but some of us had issues with NO supply, and other problems that the ABA didn't have an answer for. I continue to feel that her response to Neeny was unnecessary and on that matter, this is my final post in the Junies thread.

*waves*

ok i am trying to think carefully about what i write here.
Firstly i am sorry to everyone for chatting too much about this topic in here, it should have been kept for another area. So i feel partly to blame for whats going on right now.

I do however feel partialy attacked for stating my opinion earlier. And thats exactly what it was, just an opinion. (IK i know u edited to say it was not a personal attack)We all go on here that everyone can state their own opinion, & i do not feel that i need to thoughroly research any particular topic before having my say. Agreed i have not studied this topic in depth, but then i also did not try and say that i knew everything about it.
I did feel Neeny was attacked. & i am sorry because you were agreeing with me.

ok so if we are only to talk about topics we have degree's on then there should have been no comment made about the baby mix up at the hospital. Yet this topic was spoken about it like it only happened because the mother didnt want her child in her room the enitre time.
But then what in the instance of when a baby needs to spend time in Special care, or NICU for that matter? I did not EVER (nor did many other mums) get the oportunity to have my baby room in with me.
it was not my fault Nixon couldnt be with me.
It was not Nixon's fault he couldnt be with me
It was not the hospitals fault he couldnt be with me.

so therefore the first time i seen my son i could have seen another baby and not known the difference. I could have held another baby's hand thinking it was mine (I didnt) but just because a baby is not in a room with the mother the entire time does not mean she should or should not know their own child IMMEDIATLEY.
but i will no longer speak of either of these two topics because there is another place for them
candy- none of us want to c u stop coming in here, you have been a big part of our group for so long. But i understand all the same.
sara sorry youve come into this group at this point its probably not what u want to be hearing everyone dissagreeinhg

Edited: If anyway wants to have a personal dig at anything i have said u can email me at: nicole@newschool.com.au so to not keep it going in here

Candy, maybe just have a break as some have done, then come back to us, we still want to chat to you and hear how ryan's going...

If you want my email, bath has it, or it might be in my profile, im on msn most days...

*waves*

I wasn't attacking you Neeny:hug: Let's stick to what was written! In a squillion years I would never mean to hurt anyone. If I did, Neeny, sorry. I was taking issue with what you wrote, not with you personally!
I also never criticised non-BFing people. By Bfing not meaning much, I meant it doesn't rate in your day to day experience, true or not? There was no judgement in my saying that. What I'm saying is, fine, you don't BF (like I say, for whatever reason, not my business!), but I don't call FF disgusting or disparage it in any way. I ask for the same respect for BFers - feeding beyond 18 months is not uncommon and it is not uncivilised. I explicitly said that I am sensitive to FFers because there are various reasons for not BFing and some people are defensive about it- why should it be a case of 'gloves off' for BFing? I'm asking for a two-way respect. I didn't think the BFing comments were fair play. I wasn't attacking ANYONE, just asking for some mutual respect.
On this thread we share our parenting experiences. I share my BFing experiences as part of parenting Oscar. I never tell anyone NOT to do anything in regards their parenting...that would be totally inappropriate!
This IS supposed to be a safe place to express a point of view, but not to offend people. Will I be able to post with you guys in 3 years' time that I'm still feeding Oscar? Do I pretend that I'm not?
I ask that we don't disempower any of our baby buddies. Please, no name calling, no disparaging someone else's methods. Let's keep it nice. I've re-read my response and I do feel that I responded with respect, I wasn't angry (hurt, yes, but not angry).
Oh, and apologies to Ali - I've misled you, I missed the very start of the segment and it would appear that some of the people interviewed DID criticise parents who don't share their parenting views - you KNOW I'm not down with that!

And i have not posted re: baby mix up, as i have already posted in the appropriate area (i started the thread :))

Bath-tomorrow's more my kind of day, i just needed a good washing day as the kids were running out of clothes lol

well, lets all have a group HUG and let Nenny and IK work it out if they want to. Please no one leave, no one is attacking anyone.

Baths - I agree, you going back to study will make any problems you currently have a lot worse, I think it was just an "outburst" with no realy intent.. he probably just had a bad day.... but yeah for your strike - let us know how it works out!

Baby Yoga - Ally was besides herself today... really for $15 I get about 15mins of yoga..She feel alseep just as the class ended.. oh well, I had tea with the girls afterwards so that was nice (and Ally was asleep).

Poor DH is struggeling at work... I send him photos of what Ally is doing everyday - however it is getting harder and harder to take photos with different objects!

ohhh... washing is ready, I'm with you IK re: washing nappies, I actually enjoy it? Everyone thinks I'm a freak for using cloths, I'm the only girl in the mothers group to use cloths... But I enjoy it (90% of the time anyway).. maybe it is just a novelty? Oh well..DH will only put disposables on her? he hee...

ready everyone?

one...

two...

three...

GROUP HUGS!!!!

(please?? :))

Ok, Nic, The baby mix up and my comments - I KNOW that in a case of caesar's medical staff tend to separate mothers, I was supposed to write that 'where it can be helped' (I thought I had written that), meaning that in your case, it couldn't, in Neeny's case it couldn't etc. Baby Friendly hospitals encourage rooming in, WHERE POSSIBLE. I was positive I wrote to that effect, sorry if I didn't- if I didn't write it, then I can understand you taking issue with my comment about rooming in.
Oh, and I'm not an elitist - I wasn't saying you had no right to comment (forgive me for making you think that, that is SO not me!) I was saying that if all you know about AP is from 60 Mins, it's not much to go on and that's not your fault - they're not going to tell you that their story is flawed. I got a bit self conscious and thought that you guys might think part of my APing involves holding Oscar over someone's hedge! Get this, I'm human :)
Sorry, Mods, I'm kind of talking about it because APing IS my baby experience - the thread on the show mainly contains posts by people who don't AP.
Simone - it really IS a nice day! I might just stay outside, though - no more coming in and out and checking the puter!

Nah, you're not a freak CeeCee LOL I'm the same... my fav. parts are hanging them out on the clothes line and refolding them for the nappy stacker LOL Oh and knowing that I'm saving a fortune too! Unfortunately I haven't been able to use that new fold because i use pins and they don't seem to work too well... and also because i have flannels the snappis don't work... but thanks for sharing anyhow :)

*Bath wraps arms around her Junies in a Group Hug!*

Thanks Bath

I was thinking about putting Anneliese in cloth nappies, but we havent got the money for the outlay at the moment... im barely buying food, let alone paying bills-so putting money away to buy cloth nappies and stuff would just be out of the q. I would like to do it for summer, as i'll change her nappy more anyway, it would be cheaper then...

Simone - (I know, I'm supposed to be outside in self-imposed exile), try eBay for cloth nappies - I just spent about $27 for 12 cloths that would have cost me about $35 in the shops and then the petrol to get there...not to mention the other things I would have bought just cos I was in the shop! I've been doing it slowly, cos otherwise, yeah, it ouches the hip pocket.
There's another thread in BB where Cee Cee, Heaven, Bath and I would be known as 'nappy nerds'...too true, sad, but true...
Put it this way (may have written it before), but using cloth mainly has paid for our end of year NZ trip :)
Cee Cee - My DP frowns whenever I use disposables! Lucky I mainly use them at night, but I also take enough with me in my nappy bag in case we're out longer than the cloths will tide me over for. Funny that your DH will only use sposies! Two extremes - yours won't use cloth and mine calls me a 'bad mummy' when I use a sposie!

Ok I've been reading all thats gone on here this arvo and feel sorry that we have taken to hurting each other, even if it's unintentional, I think that alot of feelings have been hurt and we have lost a few of our close buddies and I'm sadden by that.

On other news, Wyatt and Cody have tonsilitis and the starts of a chest infection and Lochie had his 4 yr needles so we're a happy household. So the boys have antibiotics again and so does DH.

I really hope that Candy and Engima do decide not to leave, and that the rest of us can just get along. My group :grouphug: to everyone.

hugs xoxo

I bought heaps of terry nappies when Xander was born, but i used them all as spew rags, and he is nearly 3.5 now... they've all disappeared over the years. I lose everything, im such a dummy :)

This has all become a bit upsetting. When I saw our mod's comment that baby buddies was not the place for such a discussion I thought "oh but we all get along so well, we can handle this". Then I refreshed the page a few hours later and saw the fall out :crying:

Maybe we need to spend a bit more effort considering that, since this is a purely written medium, we need to be very sure that what we have typed is exactly what we mean. (while emoticons were invented in an attempt to reduce this problem, have they made us just a bit lazy?) This is particularly important with such emotionally charged topics such as those convered above. We can (and probably should) be a bit slapdash when discussing the weather or consistency and colour of bubba's poo (hey, its only poo!) but when these sort of topics arise - is it good enough for any of us (homestly no fingers being pointed here girls) to shoot off at the...keyboard in either an opening comment, or response to one (are there too many brackets here?:) ) without thinking very hard about how it could potentially be misconstrued? We can't see other peoples' expressions, body language, actual tone of voice etc. and just as, or more importantly, nor can they see ours. I suppose it shouldnt be that much of a surprise that this has become a train wreck so quickly.

Mothering (and fathering) is such a deeply personal issue - we are talking about the ones who mean the most to us, the ones we would die for and kill for (and I don't say that lightly - we all would). I have always looked on this forum fondly as a place where I can watch you share the love you all obviously have for your little ones while hearing different viewpoints and knowing this is a place I can come when I need support and reassurance. I truly hope this forum continues in that vein.

here here Rory... funny thing for me is that my BF has two girls, she never BF (well tried it, hated it), could not fold a cloth nappy to save her life and my other BF is having an elective C. And then there is me, believer in BF, love affair with cloth and tried desperately to have a natural birth.. we all belive in different thing, yet it does not stop us from being friends. I think the world of them, and think that their parenting style suits them and they are/will be great parents and are wonderful people.

I learn so much from them as they are so different to me! we are all different, but we are all on BB because we love our babies and want to get the most out of this amazing time in our lives. Steps off soap box.

luv you guys!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the vote of confidence CeeCee:hug:

I just had a beautiful (almost AP, dare I say!) moment. Flynn had his immunisations today and he is a bit out of sorts. So before putting him to bed I cuddled him in the dark and sang "You are my Sunshine" (his lullabye, and the one my mother sang to me). Then I put him in his cot and he sighed, now he is "glugluging" to himself the way he does when he is calm and sleepy in bed. God I love him:)

Aurora well said. I think sometimes we react quicker in written form too, we don't listen to where the person is coming from but from where we are hearing it, does that make sense?

I myself have been attacked personally many times on BB especially when someone doesn't like a decision I've had to make as a mod, and I think its very important to remember that our reactions are just as important as what we post initially...

Now girls...I am about to go & give birth now so if you have anything you want done or need someone looking out for please email one of the other mods on the front page. Thank you!

*hugs* you are all doing a fantastic job. We do all parent differently as we all live differently.

OK, I am away from here for two days and I have returned to my"best friends" to find that two of my friends have left and one has been upset.
I am going to have my say now and then I will leave it at that!
My cousin is still BF'ing her child at 4 and honestly I think that it is ouchiee! I am still BF Pat but once he starts getting teeth I will be taking him off the breast!It's not because I am against the fact that some women do have the ability to breast feed, but in my own opinion, children who are BF at that age are only comfort feeding.What Neeny was stating is HER opinion and I was lead to believe that we were allowed to state our opinions. If pl have a problem in what I have said then so be it, that is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

I'm still feeling a little deflated and sad to see as Jess said my best friends at each other, we have all shared so much of ourselves with each other over the last year or so, we are like family. You don't always get on well together but your family and need to stick together. I feel like you girls on here are my family, you listen to me whinging and celebrate all the happy times with each. I hope this will always be the case as I feel a real connection with you ladies.

Ok enough of the mushy stuff now.

hugs xoxo

I agree Amanda. To me you ladies are a part of MY family. I have been through so much on here and you ladies have always stuck by me. So, what say we all put our heads together and agree to let bygones be bygones!