Babies Born in June 2006 #6

KLR I agree with everyone your little girl is very cute.

My DH is and isn't very good when I'm sick, he will look after the boys but I still have to get my own drinks and food if I feel like it. Just this last time I had the flu, I had a fight with him just to take me to the docs because I felt so ****ty that I could barely move. Then when he got that same flu he was all moans and groans, but I had no sympathy for him this time.

Shampange welcome to our group, I've had PND with my first child but have been lucky that I haven't had it with no2,3 or 4. Hope you feel free to vent in here with us, we don't mind at all.

hugs xoxo

Thanks, Bath, I didn't think I was being precious that I hadn't been looked after just a LITTLE bit (you know, not to mention that I gave birth to his firstborn son yadiyadiyaddah), and it didn't sound like you were bragging, just verifying that I have been a bit neglected!
Anyway, I was just reading a post on a breastfeeding forum about a breastfeeding image in the US being met with disgust from many people (women - the worst critics!). I can't keep this to myself anymore. I mentioned it to DP but I don't think he picked up on my dismay. This is the thing: I went to my committee meeting for my riding club on Tuesday night, for the first time since having Oscar. We haven't given him EBM from the bottle yet, so I took him with me, but also to introduce him to a committee I've been on for years. Anyway, he was getting cuddles from one of the girls (who loves babies) and he started to get a bit cranky. She said "he's probably getting hungry" and I agreed, to which another member (mother of two) quickly retorted "God, I hope not! You're not flopping it out here...or changing nappies". Now, I think she'd say she was joking if I were to bring it up. I think she was half-joking at best. My response was "I don't care about flopping it out, if he's hungry I'll feed him", but I was sort of drowned out by the varying responses of the others (which while they didn't condemn her words, didn't exactly say "flop it out if you need, we have no problem with it", but they were probably as caught on the spot too). So, I fed him, keeping it as discreet as possible - which I would have done anyway, but her reaction to an event that hadn't taken place at the time kind of made the actual event seem a bit more 'obvious'. My intention was to just feed as if I was blowing my nose - just a function, nothing to see here folks sort of thing - and I feel this would have elicited far less attention. When I eventually did need to change a nappy, said member 'joked' again that she thought she said no nappy changing. Huh?? Right from the start, her reaction was not actually funny - half-joking, fully joking or not, it was not appropriate, in my view, to make breastfeeding a joke the way she might insist she was. If it was a joke it was misguided, at best. If it wasn't then I am so dismayed. I hate that I was made to feel uncomfortable feeding my own brand new child among people I have known for about 5 years. I really HATE how I felt, even though I also felt defiant because of it. I felt defiant, but I also briefly felt like I should be discreet to cause little offence...before catching myself and thinking "offence? That's crazy talk!". ARGH! There I thought that feeding in front of fellow firefighters was going to be my biggest bf'ing challenge, but I met that and it was very liberating that NO-ONE had a problem with it - now I know I can feed at the fire station comfortably. I did NOT think that feeding my boy amongst mainly women (the nature of the horse-riding world at club level) would be the first place I would encounter this sort of thing. I still think that maybe I should broach it, but then I think I should just let it go and do it again unapologetically - bring him to the next meeting and feed if I need to. I mean, he didn't cry the whole meeting, isn't that good enough? He's such an easy baby, why not take him with me where there is no practical reason not to? DP reckons I'd take him with me to certain CFA meetings where I know there are misogynists just to make a point. Well, it wouldn't be JUST to make a point, it would be so that I could feed my child and participate in my firefighting in my own capacity...but making a point is just as good a reason as any!
Sorry to vent about this here, but I just wanted to know firstly if anyone had any ideas on if I should bring it up with the lady involved. Second if anyone who is bf'ing has had any similar attitudes. Our society is so much better with it than other western societies, but it obviously also exists here in Australia. I have used the parents' room at Myer to feed, only cos I know the chairs are comfy and I had to change Oscar at the same time, not to avoid the public. Sometimes I have felt bad directing mothers to the parents' room when I was working because I didn't want them to think that I was sending them out of the public gaze - I was thinking of their comfort and that of the child (dimmer lights etc). I think I will modify how I let mothers know of the parents' room from now on.
Long post, sorry!

Enigma- I think you will find that the Angelcare monitors actualley work at monitoring the breathing through movement and not sound. ie. if the baby stops moving then the pad that is under the mattress senses it and alarms. The monitors double as normal baby monitors that pick up sound. Before you take it back do an experiment of turning it on without Aneta in the bassinet and make some noise and see if the alarm still goes off.

Shampagne- Sorry to hear that you are suffering from depression, I think it is great that you have made the first step and realised that something is not quite right. Hopefully your GP will have some answers for you.

IK- Sorry to hear that you have been feeling unwell, I have never had mastitis so not sure of the symptoms but it doesnt sound too good. Grrrrrr at your DP for not being more understanding, and taking care of you while you were sick.
More Children- DH and I are planning at least one more. We will probably start trying again end of 07 beginning of 08. I am maid of honour at my friends wedding in November next year, so I definatley wont start trying untill after then. She is also planning to have a baby after she gets married so it would be great if we get preggers around the same time.

We had a great day today, I went for a nice long walk and Tori slept for 2 and a half hours in her pram while we were out and about, It feels really good to be back into excercise again.
Tori's passport arrived today and it is just adorable, definatley something that will become a keepsake when it expires.

Anyway better go, I have 4 loads of washing on the line and it is supposed to rain this evening, so I had better go and get it in.

typing one handed, omg ik i still have my mouth open reading that. some ppl are just so out of touch aren't they. I would let it go and feed him at the next meeting and wait for her to say something to you again, this way she will portray herself as the biatch she is and you can set her in her place in a dignified way. be on the defence rather than offence. i feed my baby when and where he ddecides he's hungry. you can use the age old " do yiou eat your food in a toilet, no well then why should my baby have to.
shamp hi and welcome to our group, feel free to vent anytime, we are always here. we are a very chatty lot. lol.
more children, uuummmmmm i think i have enough but maybe one more. I got the Mirena put in at my 6 week visit but who knows. I want to do my grad dip in Ed next year and grad Bach the year after. Still hoping to move to brisbane soon as in the next year or two. aaaggghhhh i want i want i want!

HI GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOHOOOOO your all mummies!!! :happyforyou:

Well i thought it was about time i posted a proper hello and welcome to the other side! I have been following on how you are all going since this June thread started and i think you are all doing an amazing job with your little bundles..

I don't think i will do personals today but if it's ok i'd like to slip in and pick up where i left off?? I hope that is OK? :dunno:

I would like to give you a quick rundown on Ronan if i may? Well he is now 4.5 months old and is 9 weeks corrected age, boy time flies.. He now Weighs: 5.1kgs, Length: 58cms, Head: 39cms so he's a great size considering he was so preemie.. He is just the easiest baby to care for as he only cries when he's hungry or has wind and in the past week has slept from 12.30am till 9.30am each night!

He doesn't breastfeed anymore (after all that) as he just refused the moment we got home so whilst i tried for a few weeks to get him back on i have no resorted to bottle and he usually takes around 150-170mls per feed, but i am still expressing only im weaning myself off it as my supply has really dropped after 5 months, so i think he's had a good innings.. :D

Anyways that is enough about him.. hehehe I am still reading how everything is going with you all and also it's lovely to see new people around here as well (for those new ladies i was due on the 14th June but had my baby 13 weeks early) but i am still a Junie at heart! Oh and what about this meetup Nic is trying to organise? I am more than happy to travel so i am not fussed where it will be held..

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Welcome back Racoon :hello: Sounds like Ronan is going great guns and good on you for expressing for this long - it can get so tiresome after a while.

Dee - loved the photos of your kids, Nathan is just adorable with that shock of hair. In fact everyones kids are adorable.

In relation to sickness DH is not the most sympathetic person, he will help out but will usually only get me drinks etc if I ask for them, he wont think to get anything of his own accord. But that is like a lot of things really, housework etc.

Welcome to the group Shampayne, hope you feel comfortable here in our little group to say whatever you feel!

As for b/f in public I agree IK that you shouldnt be made to feel uncomfortable about it and that that silly woman shouldnt have made those remarks - joking or not. But it is a fact of life that like with anything people have different beliefs, views etc and whereas she shouldnt make you feel uncomfortable for doing something we shouldnt also make her feeling uncomfortable for her views. Personally I would just let it go, its not worth getting worked up about.

We are hoping to have one more child but wont start TTC till mid next year, are planning on going to Europe for a few weeks and I dont want to be pregnant. Will most probably start TTC whilst on holiday.

As it turns out I have a broken some toes but there is not much that can be done about it except to try and rest and take the pressure off the foot- easier said then done with kids!! Am in a bit of pain but am allowed to take Nurofen when b/f so that is a relief and am also allowed to have as many timtams and tea as I want and as I can get DH to make me!!!!

Rac glad to see Ronan is going great guns and its good to hear from you again.

Gabysmum sorry to hear about your toes, hope those timtams work hehe.

Well I'm of to bed now, just fed the boy so will get a few hours sleep before the next round.

hugs xoxo

Hi Racs! Yep, was thinking that you should join a Melb get together :)
More children - was just talking about this this very week; thinking that I would ideally be half way through the final year of my grad dip (2008, should I go back as planned next year) then start the postgrad half way through the following year or the beginning of the next year (full time, from home, one year!) and then have a qualification to start working in the field at the bottom rung, at least, to start saving money for a farm! I figure that by 2009 I'll be more adept at the juggling act and will be mentally capable of looking after two young 'uns and studying from home, as opposed to trying to study during a first pregnancy and in the first months of my first child's life...I could be delusional, but it's been done before...anyway, the plan is to have about 4 kids, but we'll see what my biological clock has to say about that because I'm 30 now and I'm not qualified for anything but urban volunteer firefighting!
BF issue - talked to DP about it and decided to let it go, like some of you have said. I don't agree with you, Gabysmum, about trying not to offend this person. I wouldn't, of course, go out of my way to offend her, but knowing that she may be offended by public bf'ing will not stop me from doing it at club meetings etc - I just resent that she would make me feel like I SHOULD be uncomfortable doing it. I think that's been teh quandary. Geez, I even had no problem bf'ing in front of my dad!
Dee - you're such a wonderful mother and birther, why not have another??? You really do have such a beautiful family, I always get a silly grin on my face looking at photos of them :) How proud are you of you?
Just came back from MIL's after having a relaxing evening there - we walked in the brisk night, cos she's just up the road.
Mastitis seems to have been nipped in the bud - lucky Oscar wanted to feed so frequently last night (usually has two feeds before 7am, not 4!), cos I think that was a big help in waking up without the bruised and swollen feeling. Lovely to have a day with no chills. I've known people who've had mastitis and because of my supply capacity (where's a milk bank, I got plenty!) I'm always aware of clearing the ducts. Last thing I want is to end up in hospital, or laid up in bed for any length of time.
Better change this one's nappy, remind him that he's hungry and get us to bed.

Hi Racc's welcome back, and of course you can just pick up where you left off. Ronan is doing sooo well, congratulations for making it through to the other side nearly unscathed. With Bfeeding, you gave it your best and he got the vital bits out of it so be proud of yourself I think you achieved an excellent result considering everything you guys have been through. and maybe next time you will be able to feed longer. He certainly looks healthy and his size is great.
Gabysmum you poor thing keep that foot up and rest as much as you can. Woohoo about the holiday to Europe, that would be fantastic. Will you take the kids?
IK Ooohhhhhh geee thanks, lol ((HUGS))Good for you for wanting a big family, lets hope you clock keeps ticking long enough, lol.

Well DH has gone off to Mackay to catch the plane to Brissy for his yearly golfing holiday all by himself, and a well earned break at that. sniff sniff I miss him already. I gave him my bounty bag voucher to take with him, so hopefully he'll bring one home with him.

Just a quick Hi from me,

I am off to Perth with a few friends and thw twins for a friends birthday tomorrow.

More Children??? Not sure. I would like at least one more but I am quite sure DH is happy with 3. Also chances of another twin pregnancy are quite high after the first one so that kind of puts me off. Not that the twins are hard. Financially 3 kids is very challenging. Clothes are too expensive, a new bigger car. Definately a bit too hard I think!

A big hello to Rac and to Ronan. Great to hear that he is doing so well. Hugs to you both.

Anyway I had better go dress the babies, its time to go! Oops!

Love yas

Love Kel

Hello,
Racs- Great to see you back where it all began!! I think you did a MARVELOUS job at expressing full time every single day for as long as you did. Its hard for some to understand how physically challenging this task is because you are not just getting up in the middle of the night to a crying baby and feeding him, you have to wake up and feed a pump! I did it full time for almost a month and it wasn't easy. Ronan's stats are just great, i can't wait to meet him!!
So on that (sorry wish we could all catch up if we were in the same state) but i think what Bath suggested Melbourne central sounds good. So we just need to set a day and it's a date!
IK- i totally agree with what Dee said in her post about not saying anything but wait and see what she is like next time. if if she does have the audasity to make a smarty pants comment then you'll know she probably means what she says and is not just having a joke.
Gabysmum- i hope you don't go doing any house work now u hear! u stay off your feet as much as possible, ouch they must hurt!
More children- am a bit indecicive what sort of age gap i'd like. I would really love a spring baby (Sept/oct) for that to happen I'd be falling around Dec/Jan and that just seems a bit too soon! It all kinda depends on where we are going to be aswell. if it looks like we will be moving back to sydney or not all comes into the game. I'd like 3 children though so might be nice to have the next one reasonably close then a bit of a break then the 3rd.

Just back from grocery shopping which was actually enjoyable despite the Saturday morning crowds because I was by myself! Only thing was that Coles Ivanhoe staff decided it was a good time to do a major restocking of shelves so there were boxes in the aisles everywhere! Still, I blissfully cruised around them knowing that that real chaos was away back at home LOL

Looking forward to this evening's Restaurant Club meet-up... even though it will be a bit of a mystery tour since the German place was booked out.

Good to see you again Rac and that piccy of Ronan on your ticker is a bit cute :) As Nic said, we're planning to meet up in the city soonish and you're most welcome... do you have any preferences? My vote is Melbourne Central midweek from 11am to midday (or earlier if you can handle it! It's much nicer before the busy lunch-time crowds). I'd suggest after lunch but I have to be back for Verity at 3pm and Wade also tends to nap from 1pm onward so it's a bit trickier.

IK: regarding that woman and her BF issues I agree with the others: don't raise it again yourself but feed again like it was no problem and if she raises the subject in any other way that's not supportive I'd say something like "well I'm glad you're not expecting me to feed in the toilet which is what most people seem to expect these days... it's very challenging BFing these days as everybody seems to find it offensive for some reason... now why would that be?" Makes me so mad as feeding in public is actually easy in terms of being discreet and not actually showing any breast. I'm a very modest person and have fed on trains/bookstores/restaurants etc over the past 2 months and I swear half the time nobody even noticed! I didn't show one centimenter of flesh to anyone except my baby! Granted it is a bit easier being winter and having coats and scarves to conceal. I know in an ideal world I shouldn't have to go out of my way to hide what i'm doing but I'm not going to change people's opinions and would rather just be left alone to do what I need to do rather than attract attention. When the issue is raised and i don't need to feed that's when i get on the offensive/defensive!

ok... gotta do some banking... look at our grim financial situation so that i'm not tempted to spend too much dosh this weekend!

Melbourne Central sounds great for me ladies but it would have to be on a Wednesday so that we could afford it!We would be driving down because believe it or not its cheaper for us to drive than catch public transport!
BBL cooking dinner!

I'm sitting here very miserable and annoyed at myself right now..... I am suppose to be at dinner with Bath & co but instead Im running to the toilet every few minutes.
must be the continuance of whatever i came down with two days ago and now it has given me the runs..... I went to the hair dresses this arvo (bday present from MIL) and all of a sudden i needed to run to the toilet! Then had bad cramps and bubbling in my stomach the whole time and couldnt relax incase an accident was going to occur.
Thank god it didnt but i ran to the toilet when i got home and thats where Ive been back and forth to for the last 2 hrs. I was so dissapointed to have to back out on dinner but i wouldnt have been much fun and i dont think the train trip in would have been a success!!
Arrrhhhh this was my night off!!!!! i know there is always next time but my hair looks so dam good at the moment i wanted to show it off and go somewhere!
Anyway hopefull it passes and i will be ok tomorrow and fingers crossed Nixon doesnt catch it.....

Ohhh Nickers you poor thing, I hope it passes soon. Well I'm sitting here in virtual darkness, eating M&M's and sipping on a very lovely red. It is so lovely that I want to have another but I won't. Nathan has changed his sleeping pattern lately he will go down at 8-8.30 after a feed and a shower and I won't hear from him til around 5-6am I will feed him, change him and then by 8 he is starving again. We really don't have a day time routine past that., just demand demand demand.

oh what a terrible night i have had. Ive just expressed so dh can feed Nixon thismorning because i am still running to the toilet and have bad cramps. Whats something small i can eat which might not pass right through me like an express train??

Hi All :)
Nickers - thanks for the compliment. I was off to a wedding in that pic. Otherwise i live in a tracksuit , no make up and a pony tail ! ... Is there a GP you can get urself off to? I suppose it doesnt help that its a sunday. Trying to think of something you could eat ... hmm but nothing comes to mind. Drink lots of water though!... Back in my stupid days i used to drink this laxative tea ( so i could lose weight quicker ) so i know how painful the cramps are:( Hope you get better real soon! Keep us updated

Mmmmm just enjoying smoked mussles with philly cheese on crackers with a nice drop of red (you inspired me Dee!) whilst the Sunday roast is cooking.

Hope you're feeling better Nic! If it makes you feel any better we all gave the Spaghetti Tree a big Thumbs Down for food and service last night... the entertainment and atmosphere was kinda good though... if you like midwestern ambience with an old codger tinkling away on a piano. The place was very popular but in my opinion it's standards have fallen since I was there last time in 1999. We went across the road for dessert (Cafe on Bourke) where the ambience was dodgy but the cake was scrumptious and cheap! Anyhow we missed you (and kelly!) here's hoping you can join us next time (haven't decided on a venue yet).

My family are currently watching The Goodies on DVD LOL... they are doing a rendition of Grease Lightening: Grease Cycling PML!

Good to hear Lucas is happier Tanya :) Another very cute ticker piccy!

Neeny texted me last night asking about Simone's babe... I couldn't rext her a reply because of my broken mobile (only just got it fixed)... hope she comes on soon like she said she was going to. Anneliese is doing well now isn't she? I should go to her thread...

Sorry candy.... I did the questionaire but I think I stuffed it up when i forwarded it! Hope you don't get it twice everyone!

Anneliese is still in hospital, but due to circumstances beyond her control Simone hasn't been on.(Well to my knowledge!)
I've been speaking to her every day and am trying to catch her atm....she knows we are thinking of her and praying for anneliese.
On the home front, DH sat down the other night and I said it was either her or me!I asked if he knew that it was hurting me and he said he did. I've asked him to tell her not to txt or ring every single day because its ****ing me right off and he said he'll tell her!
Patrick gets weighed tomorrow morning and then tomorrow afternoon at 1.30 I have my first Mums group. My MCHN asked me to be a spokesperson for BB and Austprem(a premmie group I'm in!) so I'm going in prepared!

Well HI!!!! :hello:

I'm still around - been busy with Aleise's baptism invites. They're all posted yay!

Thanks Bath for the msg that you couldn't text me back - was beginning to think you're mobile had run out of credit!

Have been chatting with Jess and she told me Simone couldn't get to a 'puter atm. hope all is going well :pray: it is so!

Well Aleise is sleeping almost 7 to 8 hours over night now. Her 2 month immunisations on Tuesday went very well. The poor thing cried after the needles and I nearly did too! :crying: I think it hurt me more than it did her! Anyway gave her the remains of her bottle afterwards and she fell asleep! She was a bit drowsy for 2 days after but all was fine! I gave her panadol JIC (as she was a bit red) but no probs so am very relieved.

PIL were over today and shouted us takeaway so that was nice of them. MIL is going to buy a cot for Aleise this Friday as she's grown heaps. Haven't gotten to a baby clinic yet but weighed her yesterday at a chemist and she is about 4.9kg which is 800g in 3 weeks!

Its late and I'd better go - Hi to everyone and will catch up soon.

Hugs all 'round!
Neeny xoxo

Well hey :hello:

Haven't posted in a while but i have just got my periods back and i have been sooo sick and doubled over in cramps....I DIDN"T MISS THEM WHEN I WAS PREGNANT that's for sure.
Tarleha is doing well. Although a bib is a constant companion of hers now as she is spewing all the time, not just after a feed anymore. She has also started dribbling like there is no tomorrow, does anyone know why she is doing this?
Doing a cross stitch at the moment i love the quote on it so i thought i would share it:
A hundred years from now
.... it will not matter what
my bank account was,
the sort of house i lived in,
or the kind of car i drove,
But the world may be different
because i was important
in the life of a child.

Nickers: Hope you are feeling better reel soon, having the runs sux doesn't it. You have my deepest sympathy. I have just gotten it over it myself.
Tulip: Isn't it amzing how we can function on zero sleep when we have too. Tarleha's reflux doesn't allow me to have much if any sleep either, so i know exactly how you are feeling.
Neeny: So having the 2 month needles was a big drama for mum? i am dreading it...i have to take Tarleha next week, any advice on how to ease the pain and cope with it.
Everyone: I may sound dumb here but as i haven't been a member for long and don't know what was happening.....why is Anneliese in hospital what is wrong with her??


:dance: Kristee-Lea - 21
:babygirl: Tarleha Maye - 29/06/06
:crossfingers: TTC 06/07

Well just thought I'd hop on and say my farewells. Well not complete farewells but we start the packing process tomorrow in preparation to move on Saturday and from tonight onwards I will be without a computer for an indeterminant amount of time so am unsure when I'll be able to get on the forums and say hi. (not that I've been posting much lately - so busy- but I have been reading).

Nickers - take care of yourself, hopefully the bug you've got is well on it's way out and you can start to feel like a normally mummy again. When I'm looking for something to eat I go with the dry bread or dry toast with vegemite (no butter) as an introduction back to solid food.

Candy - loved the little questionaire - haven't had a chance to fill it out yet but hopefully will get it done before the computer gets disassembled tonight.

Bathsheba - aghhh! a sunday roast - haven't had one of those in a while, must do so once in new house. Sounds like you have managed a bit of "you" time which is always nice.

Jess - hopefully your DH has got the message now re that girl and things can settle down for you. hope your mum's group goes well.

Neeny - love the photo's of your little girl sounds like she is progressing nicely - when are you having the baptism??

Tanya - glad to see things are improving with Lucas - hope it means you're getting a bit of rest too.

Dee - sounds like you have managed some "you" time too - nice little pattern Nathan has settled into at night - Sam's only doing 6 hours but can't complain about that it's still a nice bundle of sleep.

Anyway I'll try and get on again later today and write a bit more but in case I don't - you all know how unpredictable life is with young ones - it has been great being part of such a wonderful group of ladies over the last year. You have all been such wonderful supports to each other whilst still maintaining the ability to pass your own opinion which is refreshing in this day and age. Hopefully this can continue on and I'll be able to tune in occassionally to see how everyone's doing or catch up with some photos on the email.

Enjoy your little ones
Julie

Anneliese is in hospital because she contracted the rsv virus (a very nasty bug) that caused bronchiolitis and pneumonia. Every baby can get this bug but only 2% of babies end up in hospital ith it.My own little boy ended up with it as well, but prem babies are more susceptable to getting it.
A vaccination is available but at $1500 its out of the reach of normal people.
Well Tim has to have a blood test today, so we can see if we can find out what is wrong, our doctor reckons he could have glangular fever, but i hope not!
Otherwise, nothing much is new. Have got mums group today, so looking forward to that!

Julie- Its sad to see one of our girls leave but we now it isn't forever. You will continue to see all our children grow up through email .I know in my heart that you will join up with us one day. Our love to your family and we all hope the move goes well.

All the best now and forever

Julie hope you and your family have a safe move and don't be a stranger when you get reconnected.

Jess I hope that Tim is going to feel better soon, as I've had glanular fever and it's horrible at 19 let alone a poor 5 yr old. Hopefully that woman will back off a bit once DH has told her not to call and txt as much.

Well I'm feeling really good as of yesterday Cody has started to make the cute little goos and gaas, DH has even got him giggling at breakfast yesterday. It's amazing how quick they grow up.

hugs xoxo

Oh Goodluck Julie, you'll love Townsville, It was a great little city to live in. I miss it sometimes although we still get there a couple of times a year. You'll be back on here before you know it. Hope the move goes smoothly.
See you soon
Dee
:goodluck: :grouphug: :confetti:

hi everyone just a quick hello.

am back from tresillian and can honestly say they werent much help. i honestly thought that things were looking up but since i got home lachlan is back to how he was. i guess ill have to just battle through on my own. i cant seem to get ay professional help. he only sleeps for 20 mins at a time and then i have to nurse him back to sleep each time which takes about 15mins. he is still getting really bad pains, i dont know what else to do. the only other option i have is to put him on the bottle. i really dont want to but it seems there is nothing else left to do. if he is still the same after being on the bottle then i give up!!!!
sorry to be such a downer, i didnt think it would be this hard.
one lady at tresillian told me to just let him cry himself to sleep and then another one told me that babies this age dont know how to put themseves to sleep and need help ie, nursing, patting etc. how do i know what to do???
to make things worse i am getting a cold AAAAAAAGH!!!!

hope everyone is well and ill be back to personals soon

dee (donna)

oh ps, welcome to the newies!!:hello:

Hello,

well hopefully i am over whatever bug i had but i do feel a lot better and kind of back to normal now. all i really ate yesterday was vegemite toast (without butter), it took till mid afternoon b4 i started feeling a bit better and wasnt rushing to the toilet. Nixon wasn't a happy chappy yesterday so made things tough, dh was out the back yard all day mowing,cleaning etc.
Dee- good to see you back on BB, I'm sorry tresillian wasnt as helpful as you first thought. i dont know what measures you have already tried but does he have reflux or colic maybe? there are lots of different things to try for this, i rekon ive tried most of them! have u rung that place since u have been home and told them he is back to the way he was? They should still help you out.... besides the environment what were the differences that settled him there to at home?
KLR- if u have a chance to catch up there is a thread in NICU/Premmie re: Anneliese she has been in hospital for well over a week now i think and we are all praying she can be home with Simone and family soon. ove that poem too...
Jaspen- Souns like you were doing a big wrap up farwell speach.... hope we still hear from you from time to time. I hope your move goes smoothly too
Bath- not glad that u didnt rate the food that much but glad i didnt miss out on too much! i was so prepared that i even had my clothes out i was going to wear on the bed for when i came home for the hair dressers! but im glad i decided not to go because i got worse on sat night and i think i would have had to come home if i attemoed to go out!
Enigma- Your welcome for the compliment! I thought u said u never get out and about!!
Neeny- Thanks for the Aleise photo's she is gorgeous! I have a BB folder on my computer with all your bubs pics i feel like i know them all!

Hey Nickers,

i think the problem is reflux, and i have tried zantac and milanta plus infacol and a few other wind remedies and nothing seems to work, i remember IK saying a few weeks ago that a friend of hers baby had an allergy to her milk. I have mentioned this to a few people and they dont think that its possible but i think the problem is something like that.

I think with tresillian there really wasnt enough people to help. i found myself sitting there one night with lachlan not being settled and i couldnt get him to go to sleep or feed and there was no one around to help me, the first couple of days were good but he seem to get more and more unsettled toward the end. I really think that its a feeding issue but i cant seem to get any help from anyone.


Does anyone know how long it takes for babies to grow out of reflux or colic? i think he has both and all anyone says is "he will grow out of it"

yeah and if he is still gaining weight they'll say there is nothing wrong! But they are not the ones who have to try and cope with a screaming baby!
How long did u give the Zantec a go for? Cause i found it took about 2 weeks b4 i think it was helping Nixon.
You could try taking him to a chiro or Oesteopath? Again it can take 6-8 times before he may noticably be any better. Its hard but it's one of those things that i think if they get, no one thing will cure it but some things may help.
The main thing is the pain, if he is very unsettled, does he spew alot? Things like always propping him up on an angle might help him rather then flat on his back. Nixon is still on an angle in bed and druing the day he is either in his ricker on propped on his boomerang pillow. and instead of tummy time on the floor, tummy time on your/dh chest.
hang in there, you are doing a great job and it sounds like you have been very patient and trying to get to the bottom of the problem. Ive been told it can last until they start solids or it can last until they are upright ie walking. But if you can get the pain under control and he still spews but is happy about it than you can live with that

For the past 2 hours I've been encouraging a panicky Wade to poos in the potty. Until today he's been doing it in his nappy every day at this time. He does wees in the potty ok but I'm sick of putting a clean nappy on him for nap time then him doing poos in it. Every 5 mins or so he does a dance and kinda runs for the potty, sits down, feels it coming, panics, holds it back until the pushing feeling goes away then goes back to playing... over and over again! I'm using all the tricks, bribery included, but at the end of the day I know it's best just to leave him alone and he'll just accept that the potty will be the best place for it. DH and I decided that we don't need the expense of more than one nappy (overnight) a day with Wade. This phase won't take long I know but it's frustrating!!!! I'm not showing my frustration to Wade though... can't wait until it's done and I can get on with the day!

ETA: meanwhile I've got all your questionairre answers to read LOL

Hi everyone,
Kells I just read your article in Take Five Magazine. I was reading and saying to myself oh it sounds like our new June buddy, oh wait a minute it is our new june buddy, hehehe. How cute are your kids!!!
Went for a walk today on my new treadmill. I love it, with three litle ones at home I find it pretty difficult to get out, this way I can put them down for their nap or quiet time and go for a walk. All in the comfort of my own home.
Donna Good to see you back. Have you tried short bursts of feeding. I mean feed for 5 mins sit up and wind, lie back down feed for a further 5 mins do the same and repeat through out the feed. It can be tedious but I found it helpful with Makayla, who was a colicy baby, it stoped her from being spewy. Usually they say it can last up to three months, I found that to be true with Makayla. I'm not a big fan of Control crying in such young babies, I prefer to cuddle and pat when they are this little. Parenting is trial and error, what works for one won't neccessarily work for you all you can really do is give everything a good go and see what works. Your second and subsequent babies are alot easier, lol.
I also find a nice warm shower (Not bath)makes a world of difference with settling bub down for a sleep. Oh and take care of yourself as babies have an uncanny sence when it comes to smelling stress on their poor, tired and exhausted mummies. And it works them up even more.
Hey Nick I'll have to do that with the folders in my email stuff, that's a good idea.
Bath Good luck with the toilet training, it won't be long. Melissa is starting to show an interest now so I will be starting her soon. Summer is such a good time to train.

I just had a call from the pead confirming Nixon's appoint for wed. She followed on to tell me that my referal has run out and for me to get the medicare rebate i need to bring in another referal?? wtf!! Knew nothing about this... i said i didnt know i needed a referal, she said the OB gave the referal on Nixon's birth date and it expires after 3 months. If i were to get another from OB only lasts 3 months but from gp lasts 12months.
So i rang my gp and to get a referal i have to take him in... luckily i dont have mothers group tomorrow in the day (we are having in it the evening so dh's come and learn massage) Now i have to take Nixon to the docs to write out a referal...
would have been nice to have more then one days notice on it!

Bath- Oh you must hahve to be so patient teaching wade! Its such a big step for them isn't it! He'll get there,,, eventually!

oh cool now i have to go buy it!!

love those email questionnaires!
julie - you come back, ya hear?
nearly wished i had bailed on my friend on saturday night - they forgot to say AGAIN that there would be a not so small door charge...i should know by now to clarify a few times over! we got in free in the end, so wasn't too bad and Bath's review makes me feel a teensy bit better for missing out...
housewarming bbq at mt eliza was lovely yesterday, what a day for it!
what a day in melb today - pity i haven't got out of my pj's - oscar's dressed, though!
Dee - some things you may already have tried have already been mentioned, but have you also tried baby wearing? you probly have at this stage, but if not, find a nice soft cloth sling that keeps lachlan close to your chest - i find the hug a bub gets oscar to sleep immediately, unless he's hungry (then he must be fed!) and i can carry on with heaps of things, including laundry and lunch. a gf of mine recently told me (another gf!) that she had to stop bfing because her boy got weird on the breast after she developed and recovered from mastitis. she's still upset about it, but it happens. it could also be sensory defensiveness, not a well known phenomenon (was just reading about it in a book called 'the vital touch' by a dr sharon heller - it's when a baby (and goes into adulthood, too - i think dp might have a degree of it) gets too much sensory information. just when you think you've exhausted everything, it will be something seemingly obscure but right under your nose (happens with horses too - when you think you know everything, something obvious escapes you until a problem appears!). please keep us posted on the avenues you try and the outcomes, if any - could trigger something in one of our brains or could help someone else :) oh, and i have heard that for the good intentions, tresillian can solve nothing for many people, but its worth a shot, isnt it?

Hi Junies, hope all are well. Beautiful day here in Brissie today, so have been at the park letting DS run wild. Freya had her needles this morning, didn't go too badly. Glad to see the polio is now in needle form instead of drops, don't have to be so paranoid around her poo!

Donna, you poor thing, it is so hard. DS never had reflux, but he was an "irritable", colicky baby. The worst of it was over at 4 months, and was completely gone by 6 months. He is now an absolute delight as a toddler. Freya now has reflux and this is another challenge, but I have been told that it improves dramatically around 6 mths when they spend more time sitting up and are eating solids. The only way I have survived is by wearing them in a sling, like IK was saying. Any of you other lovely ladies have some suggestions or info, I would love to hear it too!

hi junies :)

IK - with the hug a bub ( and all slings in general )... when is the baby too old or heavy?? is it still comfortable to carry Oscar?? ANeta is around 6kg now and i wanted to get one but I dont know if i'll get much use out of it

Nickers - they MADE me go to that wedding , I agreed only after DH promised me i could drink and he would look after Aneta hehe ( ended up letting him drink , I prefered looking after Aneta )
Good to hear your getting back on your feet :) Had a look on ur website , Nixon has grown so much , such a little cutie

Dee78 - i can only imagine how frustrating this situation must be for you. I read somewhere that the worst of the colic is usually up to 3 months - either way , i hope you find a solution to your problem soon. And if nothing else works and you have to bottle feed , just remember that your doing whats best for your baby - and its really not that bad .... a few years down the track all this will be a distant memory

Bath - Wade sounds so cute ( i know, easy for me to say when im not the one teaching him potty training )... its interesting how we all have issues with our babies , and you seem to have more with your toddler - poor little guy, it cant be easy being a " big kid ". Good luck with the potty issue! -- sending poo vibes your way heh

i think Aneta is going through a growth spurt ... she is crying so much suddenly ( its the whinging cry .. nothing serious ). She's stopped sleeping through the night in the last few days , and has changed her feeds to 100-120ml every 3 hours ( when it used to be 160ml every 4 or 5 hours ) *sigh*... i hope there is nothing wrong and it is just a growth sourt , because i have thrown that stupid fitness ball away , and now i carry her to calm her down - im going to have bigger muscles than popeye after spinach hehe

We got this new monitor , its called " RESPISENSE " its a small device you clip on to the babies nappy and it monitors their breathing ( not movement like the angelcare one)
As soon as baby stops breathing for 15 seconds , it vibrates to wake baby , if that doesnt work 5 seconds later a VERY loud alarm goes off.
moral of the story ? im FINALLY sleeping when Aneta sleeps :)

ETA - hahah Nic you funky chick !.. love the new hair :) makes me want to go get mine done

enigma - oscar is pushing 6kg and i carry him a lot. the HAB has a few different positions, so its more adaptable than more rigid carriers. also because of the design, the HAB keeps the weight more in line with your centre of gravity, so its much more comfy. the best thing is that everyone thinks i'm wearing him inside a tshirt cos it looks like a top!

Hi Everyone,

Well our trip to Perth was great. We stayed at the Mercure and had a lovely time going out and about with the girls. It was the first time my best friend had met the twins so it was super special. And she got to meet them on her birthday! What a present!
We went shopping (as you do) and I got charlee the most gorgeous outfit from pumpkin Patch (our most favourite shop!!) and Jack a gorgeous little jacket. I only spent 50 and Rowen said "Oh is that all you spent?" Dammmm I knew I should have spent more!!! But I am trying to save so that my poor husband is'nt just working to fund my shopping trips.
My friend who went up with me is due to have her baby girl in 3 mths and she mentioned on the way home that she has been thinking of having me in the room when bubs is born. we are extremely close and when her first daughter was killed (driveway acc.) we became even closer. I told her I would be honoured to be a part of the special occasion but to discuss it with her DH before she made it a definate. I would love to be in there but at the same time understand that it will be a very emotional birth and that they should just experience it together. Oh well we will see....

Nic, what a bummer (pardon the pun!!hehehe) that you missed the dinner. Next time hey. Hope you are feeling better now.

Tulip, I would love to come to the expo but as I went up this weekend just gone will have to wait and see. I will let you know though later in the week and if I dont make it up maybe we can meet up in the next few weeks??? Anyway I'll be in touch...

Simone, I hope bub is doing ok you poor thing! Keep us informed sweety.

Jess, I'm sorry but i would be kicking DH's arse if he is recieving text messages from another woman. I dont know about everyone else but I think that is pretty disgusting and I would be letting him know it. Plus if it were me I would get hold of his phone and get her number and blast the **** out of her too! No one messes with my man!!!

A huge super hello to everyone else from me and the twins! They are sleeping atm. Jack keeps napping for 15 mins then waking up but I just go back in put the dummy back in and leave him! I'm a meany!!! He is very very sensitive and I think he is already a mummy's boy!! Charlee is very strong willed already and she is as cheeky as they get. I think she will be a terror. My mum has nicknamed them Search and Destroy! Jack is search and Charlee Destroy!! How funny!

Anyway have a lovely arvo ladies

Love Kel

Thanks for the poo vibes Enigma... it worked and he did poos at about the time you posted LOL ....but on the tiles about 1.5 meters away from the potty!!! He seemed quite happy about it though and I wasn't cross, just said "uh oh, how about in the potty? Mummy be happy if you do it in the potty" etc. Now he is in bed for the first time with just undies. Fingers crossed he won't wet the bed, though got a protector sheet on.

Yeah, I have heaps more "issues" with my toddler... Niall is easy. While the potty drama was unfolding Niall was chilling out in the pram outside near the clothes line (I'd been hanging out a load when Wade did his business on the tiles. Then he drifted back off to sleep after having been awake for only 40 mins. He slept well last night in the cradle beside my bed until 4am (from 10pm) afterwhich I brought him into bed with me, fed him and he went back to sleep until 7.15am and woke up a happy little munchkin, smiling for me on the changetable :) so I've really got nothing to raise about him! Wish there had been a more active BB thread for Wade's age group but as I said, it's been closed, so all I've got are you girls to vent to!

Jaspen: you've GOT to come back, you know that don't you? That can't have been a farewell speech darl. Hope your move goes well... see you SOON!

IK: tell us more about that sensory overload thing... I think I have it! LOL

Nic: Hope your GP bulk bills for kids (ours does luckily). Grrr if you have to pay for just a referral.

Oh and you all might notice a new thread i started about Niall's possible Funnel Chest... I'm not overly concerned BTW. I'll let you know what happens when i see a GP.

Ok... both boys asleep... cuppa time! be back later...

ETA: sorry missed your post Kel... LOL at Search and Destroy! :)