Babies Born March 16th ~ 31st 2008 #3

CM- Hmmm Maybe it is separation anxiety? Teeth? Are you really busy during the day? Maybe he isn't getting enough cuddles. Is he fine during the day? How much and what is he eating at night? Maybe it is giving him a bellyache. Definately go see the CHN. You need all the rest you can get at the moment.

Hi leesa - welcome back

Andie- Thanks for doing the list.

njd - YAY tooth. IT is funny when they appear, you go 'oh so that's why....'

Double trouble - living with the inlaws when you don't understand them and have a different cultural background. WOW. I struggle with a few days. I hope your illness has cleared up.

BEc- congrats on the house. Now you will be able to do what you want without asking permission. YAY

Mum2 willie, Mel and everyone - Hi

OMG Dare I say it but E is now putting himself to sleep!!!!!! Istarted wrapping again and have put a fan in his room, he lies there and talks to the fan if he doesn't drop off straight away. He is also sleeping for an average 1hr 15mins for his sleeps. Sometimes longer! E had been a nightmare to get to sleep during the day again and hten would only sleep for 40minutes if I was lucky. Downside is that he is now not sleeping in his pram. Oh well. We also have a routine we are roughly following. Is fabulous knowing roughly the times he will sleep. I am still feeding overnight:redface:. I do try and offer water (sometimes) but last night I was too tired to stand and pat for ages so when he didn't settle immediately I just fed him. So much easier to just sit in a chair in a zombie state.
I am still feeding up to 3 times or more overnight plus he feeds on waking in the morning , he may have a top up before a sleep. MAybe on waking but am trying to offer water and a snack/lunch depending on wake time. Feed Before next sleep, then before Bed. He sometimes sneaks in some extras too. Should I be trying to reduce it? I really will have to work on the night times. He usually only takes one side before he has to leave so maybe I should offer the other side more too. So hard. Darn it I want my instruction manual:wall:

Thanks Andie - Gr8 for me to see all the bubs (being new and all)!

Catherine - Will is out of sorts too...He has three teeth at the top coming through all at once - He has his bottom two and 1 at the top...but this is not like before either...He has slept through since 8weeks until recently...He cries and cries at night and whines all day...It's horrible so I am sympathetic...Let us know what MCHN says!

hi girls,

i havent posted in sssooo long i thought i better get onto it !

the kids have colds (again) i took james to a naturopath 2 weeks ago because he has had bronchiolitis 5 times since june and when i ask the dr's what we can do to build him up a bit they basically say well you have asthma of course he will get it, anyway the naturopath made him up this herbal thing but he just wouldnt take it, coughed and choked and then wouldnt take his bottle (he is off the boob because he lost interest after i had to stop feeding for 4 days as i trial to see if something i was eating was upsetting him and thats why he was so unsettled at night, i am expressing twice a day so he is getting some ebm and some formula, not ideal of course but thats what we are doing at the moment)

anyway now for the good news.......about 3 weeks ago we moved james into the cot (was long overdue but we kept him in the bassinet because we thought putting him in the cot in his own room would make him even worse when it came to sleep and we were so tired as it was but bit the bullet and in he went) from that first night he only woke once (big change from the every 2 hour thing) he did that for a few nights and has slept through since lol we cant believe it, the first time it happened we both got up and asked each other did you feed james overnight ??! he goes down about 7ish (often puts up a fight then) but once he is off we dont usually hear from him til 630am (although he decided to wake at 530 this morning !
so that is all fabulous !! we stopped wrapping at the same time so he seems to love his own space and arms spread out.

he still isnt sitting or crawling but has 3 teeth and a 4th nearly through, looks like he is going to have his front teeth for christmas lol

catherine how are you feeling ? have you had an ultrasound yet ?

Bec great news on the house and wow jake taking steps already ! i cant believe the time with our bubs has gone so quick.

Jo are you back from holidays ?

Hayley how are you and the kids ? good to hear the nose piercing settled down

Laura how are you and Sam going ?

Luey yay on E settling himself more, bummer about your nights, as it turned out no matter what we did james kept waking and then he just stopped it all himself (so much for tresillian saying he wont fix himself!)


Andie: hows Cam the man going ?

all boys another one walking, you must be so busy keeping up with them all

hi to macca and the new girls, welcome back Lessa and congrats on the new pregnancy ! hi to anyone else i have forgotten

Melinda

Hi girls

I'm still here, just having a REALLY rough trot with things ATM. Couldn't be worse timing. Don't want to go into detail or talk about it, but if I'm away for a while, I'll be ok ;) I will be back.

sorry, i feel a bit rude not explaining more

Becstar - so sorry to hear you are having bad time of it!! Thoughts are with u!

Luey - I am feeding my bub at night too now...Three times last night - He started sleeping through at 8weeks - so I have had months of freedom at night - but now - every night he wakes repeatedly. I am hoping it is just his teeth! Sorry no advice for you really - other than I know how it feels at the moment!

Oh I meant to add Luey I still feed at night too. Sometimes only once, sometimes 3 times. :rolleyes:

Thanks girls. It is nice to feel like you aren't the only one. IRL everyone else's baby sleeps through most nights or if they do wake just gets water. I have been trying water a few times overnight and he does settle after. Last night after a dream feed at 11 he woke at 1, had water and bonjela then resettled until 3. Then awake at 5, resettled with water and bonjela. Awake at 6, fed and resttled then ready to start the day at 650! NOOOOO Doesn't he know it is saturday? I had a crap day Friday, tired and just feeling like a complete failure about stuff and decided I want(ed?) to go to Torrens house (SA's Tresillian). I have since found out that they don't do CC, you stay with them and let them cry:rolleyes:. Sorry, active settling.
Of course I ended up in tears to the CHN:rolleyes:. I called her direct rather than going through the parent helpline. I just didn't want to go through it all with them, they not know our situation and for them to say we will make an appt for you with your CHN. I am undecided as to whether we will go or not yet. The CHN is doign a home visit on Wed and I will talk about it with her. As Mel said James jsut started sleeping through because he wanted to. E sleeps well sometimes but not often. I may book in and decide what to do closer to the time. It will be a major hassle as it is over 6hours away and I start back at work 6th Jan. 2 days a week for Jan then mondays.

Mel good to hear from you

Hi to everyone else. I have a bellyache and a sore throat, possibly losing my voice so feel very crap.

HAve a good night

Becstar - hope all works out okay with you ;) Looking forward to seeing you back with us chicky!

Luey - sounds like you're having a bit of a rough trot too - sleepless nights and all. DD went thru a stage of sleeping through the night - but now maybe wakes up btw 3-4am for only half an hour or so - so I really can't complain. If it's any consollation when I wake up with DD I get that queasy morning sickness feeling, so that makes it a bit tough - and regardless of how much sleep I get - I'm still tired anyways!! ;) I hope the little one settles down for you soon! And I hope you're feeling better too!

Melbell - thank you for the congrats on the PG - I wonder what I'm getting myself into lol! But I'm looking forward to the time off of work, spending time with DD (who'll be about 18mths by then) - and of course the new edition.

Mum2willie - wow, three times in one night - thats a bit rough!! Just think of when he's a teenager and you can wake him up!! Ah yes, the tables will turn lol!

catherinemoses - I remember when DD was about 4 mths old (or 2 mths depend how you look at it) and she took ages to settle. I was just about doing my head in. She wouldn't take the bottle, and it wasn't just a cry - it was a scream. I found extra burping time worked some of the time, but the rest of the time there was nothing I could do but hold her and hopefully get her to sleep.
As bizarre as it sounds, since we've moved house DD has slept sooo much better. I look back at the last house we lived in and remember so many troubles that arose while we were there...I have a friend whose into the whole occult thing and she reckons the house had an unhappy spirit in it...:o Not sure if I believe that, but I can say we've had no troubles at all since being in our new house - bizarre...

AndiE - thanks for the list, I was out of the loop for a bit and always wondered who had what and when!! Good work girl!

AFM - I'm watching some 'surviving motherhood' show on Foxtel, and can't tell if it's DD crying or if it's some kid on the TV. I'm trying to keep noise down to a minimum as DP has worked 2 x 12 hr shifts - finishing at 6am, and is back off to work at 3pm this afternoon - and DP is a man that NEEDS his sleep. But pfft, if he doesn't get it then at least he'll be giving his work mates grrrrr, instead of me lol!!
I took DD to the WCH yesterday so they could cut the boil on the back of her head, but no, they gave a prescription and an appt to cut it on Thursday - if it hasn't popped and cleared itself by then. :pray:

I hope everyone's having a great weekend!

Just a quick poke my head in. Things are in a bit of chaos at the moment, Will has had a really long lasting cold. DH is off again on work and next weekend it's off to Perth for Christmas. Busy, busy, busy. So a big hi to everyone and hope your all doing well.

OMG you have got to be kidding me!!!! I just wrote a mammoth post and BB ate it! OMG I am so annoyed!

I'm going to have to post when Sam goes down for a nap because I am way to frustrated after that! It had taken me half and hour.


xxxxx

I've just skimmed again, sorry girls for not being around but you know how it is :redface:

have been thinking about routines & sleepling & sleepless nights. D is always more unsettled when he is teething for instance I have had to go back to rocking him to sleep again :wall: which at 11.5 kgs is not kind on my back


umm the night waking thing D is usually asleep by about 9.30 pm, he wakes up 30 mins later for a feed, lately he has been waking again b/w 1 & 2 am for a feed & then will still wake another 2/3 times until about 7.30am/8am when he is up for the day. In saying he wakes, he wakes for a feed & is back to sleep almost straight away. Sometimes he is still drinking 30 mins later most times it is only 10 mins or so. We are sleeping together still in the king single so it means that I don't really notice him wake up for a feed after 2 am but I feel him latch on IYKWIM? (I'm a bit of an insomniac atm & 2 am seems to be my current bedtime, can't even blame D anymore :rolleyes: )

So I have been thinking about routines as well & realised that we do have a routine but not like most peoples. I too have to go back to work at least 3 days a week in mid feb (only 2 months away :o where does the time go) which means I might have to change things even though I don't really want to...
anyway this is how our day looks like when we don't go anywhere

up about 8 am, usually has a feed before we get out of bed, we play for about 30 mins & then breakfast is usually toast or weetbix with play time again afterwards.
back to bed about 10, b/f - I lay down with him & it can take upto an hour for him to go to sleep.
up about 1pm, if it has been about 3 hrs since his last feed I will offer again before we get up but he doesn't always take it. Then we have some play time & it is lunch (about 30-60 mins after waking) usually some cheese, fruit & some bread & some play time.
back to bed about 3, same routine as before
then up between about 5/6pm & then it's the night routine, play, tea usually veges (zuchini, carrots, brocoli, pumpkin, sweet potatoe) more play, bath, more play & then bed about 8.30 & asleep by about 9.30

Now this is a typical day, on a bad day it is not unusual for D still to be awake & out of bed until about 10pm & asleep by about 11pm. We do have days when I go into town or visiting or whatever & that will throw his day sleeps out but not so much his night routine. We also go out for tea a few nights aweek & so that might push is bedtime out, he always eats with us so it is usually just a bath unless he is really tired then he will go straight to bed. If I don't sleep with him through the day he usually only sleeps for 30 mins, occasionaly he will sleep longer if it is his morning sleep.

So off to read a bit more thoroughly & will probably be back

bec sorry to hear things aren't going so well, hope they improve for you....

Bec I hope things improve

njd - a lot of the stuff I have read about sleep and settling reccommends an early bedtime for bubs. 7-8pm. Can you bring his bedtime back a bit and see what happens? Jsut try 10mins every few days to start or more if you can. I have found that since I have been getting up at 630/7 in the morning E is a bit more settled. This means he has his first sleep around 9/930. Maybe an hour, 2 if I am lucky. Second sleep is about 1-2pm. It depends how long he sleeps and how grumpy he is to when he gets put to bed. He has tea around 5-5.30ish then a bath. A Quiet play after the bath is the plan. Somehow it turns into noisy time in front of the tv with dad but I try. IT all depends how he is going. Some nights he is in bed and asleep at 530! Tonight though he was tired and whingy but wouldn't settle and was 8pm before he went to sleep after a top up bottle of 130ml:o. HE is still waking lots. a good night will be around 10, 1-2, and 5. I have found he is better when he goes to bed later 7-8. But sometimes it isn't possible.
Instead of rocking have you tried wrapping him again? I have for E and it has worked. I really doubted it would work, afterall we abandoned it at 4 months as he would fight it. Ithink it makes him feel more secure, rather than trying to shuffle his way up the cot. WE do sometimes have tears and crying but not for long and I am always with him. It just depends how much crying you are happy to put up with. E doesn't like being patted or touched but does like watching my hand pat the mattress. I go faster harder and louder when he is crying then get softer and more gentle until I stop. I sometimes rest my other hand on his chest over his hands so he can't fight the wrap. I don't hold him there, I think it comforts him. I do allow him to roll a bit.
HAve you tried lying him on a bed and rocking him that way?
If it is only when he is teething try to get some good teething gel. The Womens and Childrens hospital in Adelaide sells some which is apparantly much much better than bonjela or similiar. Try your local kids hospital and see if their pharmacy does similiar. I am going to try and get hold of some tomorrow. Will see if they will send some out to me or I will send my FIL in, but I do want it ASAP.
Good luck

Hi Ladies
Its been ages since I posted lasted. The kids and I have been in SA for the last 4 weeks with my Mum. Hubby was meant to be carting grain for the month but that didn't really happen. We flew back this arvo. The kids on the plane were pretty good.
There has been so much happening lately. Isabella is nearly 9 months and weighs over 10kgs and about 67cm long (I haven't had her weighed lately). You can't carry her for long withour getting tired. Isabella is in the same nappies as her brother who will be 3 on 17th March. I call her little miss pork chop.
Isabella isn't sitting up yet and can only roll to her left side but can't roll back yet. She has to get a swing up to get her legs over :lol:

I will chat up on personals later when I have time to sit down and really all the posts.
Take Care
Jo

Hello everyone!

Sam has decided to sleep in so I'm going to try this again.....
Sorry I have been so slack lately, no excuse really only that I have been trying to keep busy and in turn made myself very tired! Ive started a PND mothers group on Mondays and a playgroup on Wednesdays.It's been so good to meet more women in the area and just have people to talk to too.I hang out for those days!I'm still going well, very happy about that, pretty much feel normal apart from being overly tired and I think a mixture of things contribute to that, I'm working those out.
Sam is really well.He has 4 teeth now and is not quite crawling but is hopping along and pulling up in things.We have had a couple of good accidents from it!He is really into copying whatever I do, so cute! He says DADADA but no MAMA!
His sleeping is a little crazy atm, I can never tell what he is going to do.Yesterday he napped for nearly 3 hours in the morning and he never does that.He has been waking up to 4-5 times a night!grrr I just don't know what to do! I really want to continue co-sleeping with him but he is wriggling all over the bed and I'm not sleeping as well.It's a sad thing cos I really don't want to move him out.I think I'll bring the cot next to the bed and see how I go.

I'm going to be away from tomorrow until about Jan 8th,How will I cope without BB!We are going up to in laws farm for a few days before Christmas and having a family thing Christmas eve there, then Christmas morning drive 2 hours back to my parents and then boxing day up to NSW south coast.I am terrified of doing that drive with Sam.We are going to stop overnight both ways though so hopefully it won't be too bad.

Time for some personals, I;m not going to try and reply to 4 pages worth, just the most recent so if I miss you, Hello and Sorry!

Ewol, Welcome back.Gee Isabella has grown!Sounds very cute!

Luey,Your quiet time with E turning into loud time with Dad sounds exactly like my house!I'm still feeding up to 3 times over night as well, so you are definitely not alone.

Nic,Hope everything is ok and your getting some sleep.x

Bec, Hope things are ok and hope to see you back here soon.Did the BL's come? Thinking of you.xx

Leesa, welcome and hope to get to know you better!

Macca, hope things have calmed down and everyone is feeling better in time for Christmas.

Mum2willie, welcome and hope to get to know you more too!

Mel, that's fantastic about James sleeping! Hope it's still going well!

Catherine, How is everything? hope still no ms.How far now?it would be nearly three months?

I know, they are half ased personals! But I am so overwhelmed it's hard to do more that that!!

Hope you're all well and have a fantastic Christmas.

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Cant believe we are up to here already. I love reading all y'all stories! Hawaii would be a lovely place for a holiday and Im so glad the boys behaved for you, makes life so much easier.
Bec - where in China is your MIL coming to teach?

Ollie has had an ear infection, the doc cleaned it and gave us drops to put in, then he got 3 days of fever, now he has cold and cough his brother bought home from kindy. Poor baby. We had just weened him onto bottle and now hes velcro baby with a passion for boobies again. He wont take more then 80mls from a bottle and I have minimal milk left. So just when he was getting good and heavy in time for his 9mth check he has lost weight again. I know he will bounce back, its just this has happened so many times with him. All routine has gone out the window, as we have had DS1 home from kindy with an awful cough. Tomorrow is games day at kindy, parent and kids play games together for the morning atleast. Its a good chance to see the other parents- not that I can talk to them, but I thinkit will still be great fun.

What routines do y'all have? Think now hes hit 9mth Ollies wanting to stay "up" longer but hes also very bored at home but its not possible to go out every day, its really cold here now. wont be a white xmas for us but mayb shortly afterwards.
What are everybodies plans for xmas?

Wow it's gone quiet in here ;)

thanks girls, things were a bit hairy there for a while, i've never been in that situation that intensely before so it was very confronting and draining afterwards. All is ok ;)

We are heading off to the IL's tomorrow.....:rolleyes:. Not looking forward to the long drive and FIL informed me that we don't need a turkey, it's just another day :o. I went and bought the turkey today on my own, BAH HUMBUG I say!! Makes me angry though, I'm trying to create wonderful memories of Xmas with my children and he just isn't into it at all. He could at least pretend.This is why I always find a reason not to go there for Xmas day but rather boxing day. This year I thought I'd do the right thing and go but I wish I hadn't. My fam always does a big Xmas, loads of food and good spirits, it's great. Ahh well.....my mantra is to 'focus on the kids, focus on the kids' :lol:. It will be great to see friends though, always is!

So I just popped in to say

Merry Christmas my lovely Ladies!! xxx

Will be back sometime in the New Year. Hope you all have a lovely one and will be thinking of you all. Can't wait to see all the post-1st Xmas pix :)

xxx

Popped in to wish all the March Mummies a very Special Christmas and a happy safe New Year.
All the best for 2009

Luv
Jo, Mick, Riley and Isabella

hi girls,

im also popping in to say Merry Christmas !! i hope you all enjoy your day whatever you get up to

we are having both families here but unbelievably i have come down with a gastro bug today, have high fever and aches and pains, im hoping it is just a 24 hour thing and the kids dont get it, we may yet have to delay christmas lunch a day or two because i dont want to pass it on to everyone else, wish me luck it is gone by the morning and im able to stuff myself full of christmas goodies along with the rest of them lol

Melinda