Babies born May 16th-31st 2009 #3

Naomi - Sounds like you need info on overnight nappying quicksmart - Go Bailey. CJ goes 12 hours in one nappy overnight, we mainly use cloth nappies (Green Kids with full size bamboo insert and a small microfibre) - but have successfully used babylove ones overnight on the odd occasion and they are very heavy by morning, and sometimes have swelled so much are difficult to get out from under brace. We will be using disposables when we go to the UK so wanted to try them out. As Bella said when they are in a deep sleep they wee less, and I also find that the first nappy I put on in the morning doesn't last as long - a bit like us grown ups I suppose big wee's when we get up. I can't remember the last time CJ did a poo overnight, but I always tell her is fine to wake me up if she does :-)

CJ had odd grouchy moments the past couple of days, is always after her dad is off work, he is working this weekend but had Thur, Fri off - she just gets too excited being with him (I left him with her the other day while had CPR for babies at mothers group and he was trying to teach her to play tennis - has some crackpot idea about her becoming a tennis star and earning a fortune to keep us in our old age :-) - we are both pretty uncoordinated although big triers when comes to sport so don't think she stands a chance - but he and Geoffrey (hippo toy named after Geoff Boycott) roll the ball between them and then to her!. She has also learnt that if she arches her back when in her bouncer can make it bounce loads - they say when they learn new stuff can make them cranky so maybe that is it.

Well off to supermarket but will be back later - DH is working till late tonight, so I get chance to catch up on net!

I am so sorry about your DH's job, BG. That sucks. I hope he finds something really soon that's even better than where he is now.
Naomi: I still change P first thing (usually between 3 and 5am) but it could last til the next feed probably. If you're not feeding him as often then he won't have as much to wee out :) However, if he keeps filling the nappy and it leaks out, you can use a booster (a cloth one or a hefty sanitary pad) to stop the nappy leaking.

Sorry it's a quick one from me... Am about to do the kids-to-bed followed by serve-up-n-eat-dinner routines. But don't reckon I'll be on again tonight. So tired lately. xx

well i made it to my mums and all is good my mums party was awesome except for the :O strippers all i can say is scarred for life :rofl:

anyways big family bbq 2moro should be interesting me off to bed before i turn into a pumkin oh wait its already past midnight i thought i was looking a little orange lol

Hi all! Just gotten home from my busy weekend.
On the subject of sposies.... Go ALDI nappies. I've tried all nappies and they are by far the best. We've never ever had a leaking issue at all with either Allira or Lachie. Love them!


So much to catch up on and dinner's just finished cooking.
Will have to get back on later.
I have to take my measurements tomorrow and I'm hoping to see a small amount of change. Fingers crossed.

OMG I have a banshee baby! Allira's gone from talking heaps to squealing her lungs out with delight. It's fricking insane! She's hillarious! haha
I must record it for all to hear at some stage. Nutter she is!
Ok off for dinner.

BG - Hoping too like the others that DHs job situation works out for you guys. Bugger, you dont need stress like that............. I have everything crossed for you guys. Grrrr re ppl stirring up E - what is wrong with people? Seriously!! Pick on someone you're own size!!!!

Amy - Baileys thrush seems almost gone, I think the label said to keep using the nilstat for a few days after to ensure its gone. Bailey HATES the guff, and I wont let him have the dummy after I give it to him otherwise he'll just suck it all away, so have been distracting him while giving it to him - he makes the most screwed up face when he tastes it - its pretty funny!! Oh, the little bugger bit my nipple, actually broke the skin with his ONE tooth - I have a little scab LOL, the next few times I BF him I was fearful - who would have thought that BF was a contact sport hehehehehe. Oh - and whats with the 'Space Family Hudson'? You have me curious :)

Jess and Bella - if you haven't already noticed, there is a Facebook event awaiting your RSVP for our Nov 22nd picnic so next time you log in take a peek :)

Jacinta - glad to hear your Mums party went well - Strippers hey? Wooohooo LOL!! Cant beleive I will be 40 in 5 years - too tooooooo scary!!

Vic - LOL @ DHs plans to retire while CJ earns you a good living on the tennis circuit! My DH will probably try the same with tennis or golf :) Cheers re the nappy info guys. Bailey slept 9 hours Fri Night and 7 hours last night and you are all right - they wee less when asleep and not feeding through the night!

Bridg - I did actually sleep through until he woke too - felt great to have all that uninterupted sleep, I was slightly disappointed that he only went 7 hours the next night, but hey, I'll take 7 anyday!!

Nicky - DOH, we dont have an Aldi here :(

Well solids are going well - so far the little guys is loving everything - Farex (with BM or formula, turns his nose up when made with just boiled water), mashed banana - LOVES, mashed pumpkin - LOVES, mashed potato - LOVES - we are going well. Will stick to these three things this week and try something different next weekend - maybe pear and brocolli. Today he did 4 poo's - and they are getting more solidish and smelly - eeeeeewwww!! I think it might actually be the thrush medicine that is making him poo quite a bit rather than the solids though!!

Right - I'm off to bed to watch some DVDs with DH - he has the man-flu so I have two babies currently :) We have the box set of 'King of Queens' which is frigin hilarious so will watch some of that....

Hi to everyone else

Naomi
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Ok so someone was playing up during dinner, so I've put a sample of the psycho-ness on FB.

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Vic - LOL @ DHs plans to retire while CJ earns you a good living on the tennis circuit! My DH will probably try the same with tennis or golf :) Cheers re the nappy info guys. Bailey slept 9 hours Fri Night and 7 hours last night and you are all right - they wee less when asleep and not feeding through the night!

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mine has the same plans for E - apparently she's going to be the first female to break into professional AFL side (Geelong of course!), or play professional tennis/golf so that we can travel with her when she's older. if she can't do any of them, she has to shack up with a Geelong player - so that she can get Daddy into all the games!

not a whole heap going on here - went to NaeNae's baby shower today and finally got to meet her (if we meet half way, it's only about 25 mins driving each - but it hasn't happened yet) - was a really good day. few other BB'ers there. really nice day out. E was really good. she did get upset at one point - tired poppet and lots of people around, so the pipe wasnt enough to get her off to sleep - boobie and she was gone - was really nice! she slept most of the way there (thanks baby girl!) through some really shocking winding roads, and the same on the way back which was great. i was a bit worried that she would start crying on the road cos there is no where at all to pull up for nearly 15kms of road at about 50ks - but she was just really good. talked to her new bestest buddy Eddie the Elephant the whole way (well, the bits that she was awake!). she's piked now for a while which is really good for her.

had a panic moment this morning. E wakes up every morning between six and seven - it's almost a guarantee. this morning i woke at 8.30, couldn't hear her over DH's breathing - and I freaked out. couldn't go and check her myself - had to send DH to check her! oops! she was fine - feed, nappy change, feed, and back to sleep - and then i realised she was going to still be asleep when we had to leave so i had to organise all the stuff i had to take, and then wake her to leave. thankfully she was still in a good mood!

ooh, maybe i did have a bit to waffle about lol!

one last thing - i think E has decided she's older and more capable than she really is. there were three other bubba girls there today - between 7 and 9 months old - and she wanted to be down on the floor with them (so i put her down) but she was getting frustrated that she couldn't do the same as them. she was at her happiest when she was on my knee and Ruby (raven's DD) was up beside her !

Hiya again :)
Nicky: Am glad Allira isn't bothered by the chucking. Will watch the FB vid after I get off BB - looking forward to hearing her :) P gets very noisy and squealy at times... I think its a girl thing. Seriously, at playgroup the girls (Natty particularly) squeal when they get excited. Takes a bit to calm them down! I think it's instinctive, LOL. We like Aldi nappies here too. Both girls wear them overnight and if we've run out of cloth cause I've been too lazy to wash.
Bella: I hope you are doing ok and getting some rest. :hug: Sleepless nights are really the worst. IRT J's daytime feeding, have you considered a 'booby holiday'? Where you curl up in your jarmies all day with your bubba and offer the boob everytime she looks at you. Have DVDs at hand, and easy snacks all prepared so nothing interrupts your boob time. Preferably just the two of you and with minimal distractions around. Might be something to try to encourage her to feed more during the day?
Bridg: Hope you have been having a good time catching up with your Aunt. Bugger, I had hoped the tanties would stop by the time she got to 4! Sorry the boys still carry on. Today she went mental when we left SIL's house - didn't want to leave. She carried on for most of the 25min trip home then promptly fell asleep. BUT she had another spack attack after her bath. I still don't know what I did wrong, LOL! But she yelled and fussed for mmm... about 20 minutes? I just ignored her and went about my business... what can you do?
Vic: I love the tennis! I think that's brilliant. I understand the cranky after Daddy has been around. It is an issue moreso with Natty for us, but I get it. And LOL @ her learning to bounce herself in the bouncer! That's great! Less for you to do, LOL ;)
Jacinta: Glad you had a good time at your mum's party. Phew, I reckon I'd be pretty scarred if I was at a party with a stripper and my mum, LOL!
Naomi: Oh, OUCH! @ the biting on the boob! Phoebe does it - I am dreading her getting teeth. Actually I was thinking of videoing her on the boob tonight cause she was just too cute. She sucks a bit, then clamps down and swings her head around to look wide-eyed at me and then GRIN a cheeky grin. So evil! And so bloody cute. She did it about 3 times tonight and I wished I had the video going. Of course I don't want to encourage it, but it's so hard when they're so gorgeous about it, LOL!
I am SOOOOO pleased for you @ Bailey's sleeping! How lovely to be getting some blocks of sleep. And glad he's enjoying the solids.
Space Family Hudson: Right, have you heard of Charlie and Lola? On ABC about 8:15am. It is Natty's favourite thing atm. (Not favourite show, favourite thing... i.e. "Natty, would you like to do a painting?"
"I to watch Charlie and Lola."
"Natty, dinner's ready."
"I to watch Charlie and Lola."
"Natty, where's my cuddle?"
"I to watch Charlie and Lola." etc etc. You get the picture.)
I actually quite enjoy it, which is a plus. There's an episode where Charlie and Lola have to do a few chores before they're allowed to watch Space Family Hudson. Interspersed throughout the show is the jingle for Space Family Hudson... After watching it several times the other day, that jingle was the only thing in my head. Hence...
BG: Ooooh, how lovely to meet some more BB girls :) And LOL @ E socialising. I think they are just instinctively drawn to other children. Today we went to SIL's house and I mentioned to Erin that I hadn't been able to make Phoebe laugh again since the first time I heard it last week. So a little while later, I'm getting video of Erin making Phoebe laugh! It was fab. Phoebe just loves kids. Glad E was so happy on the drive. Makes it a billion times easier, I'll bet.

I have been sorting baby clothes the last couple of days. Have everything sorted by size and season. So sad, there are some lovely winters in 00 which Natty wore... sad that Phoebe won't be able to wear them.
DH has been away birdwatching today. I'm pretty bloody impressed with myself, actually. Got through the day (helped that we were out for most of it, LOL!) and got the girls bathed, fed, put to bed with a minimum of fuss. (Unless you count Natty's 20min tanty... That was plenty of fuss.)
Am taking Phoebe to the nurse tomorrow so will post her stats once I know :)
Night all.

Hi all! The Midget has decided that day-naps are like, sooo uncool so I’ll see how long I manage to stay on the pooter!

Vic – I thought it was interesting that you said that when they learn new stuff it can make them cranky. Ivy has been really funny lately. It seems that her brain has developed further than her body so she wants to do things but can’t coordinate the movements. She’s now able to grab stuff and bring it to her mouth, but can’t manipulate the object well enough and ends up shoving a flat surface or awkward corner against her lips and then CRACKS IT with frustration. Or she’ll be on he belly and be looking at something she wants to get to, but obviously can’t crawl… so starts yelling at it! It’s very cute, but has meant that I can’t leave her too play on her own for as long, as she gets grumpy pretty fast.

Jacinta – can’t imagine going to a party with strippers with my Mum!!! That’d freak me right out. Hope she had a ball though.

Nicky – loved the vid of your ‘banshee baby’. Cracked me up. Ivy squeals occasionally, but not long drawn out ones like that… only a matter of time before she figures it out though, and then I’m getting me some ear-muffs!

Naomi – I’m loving hearing about Bailey’s experience with solids. We’re a while off trying it yet – Ivy’s not showing any signs of readiness beyond mouthing lots of stuff - but I know it’s just around the corner and it’s really helpful to hear how others have approached it. Kinda dreading those solids poos though! Super happy for you that it seems to be helping out with longer sleeps too. You must feel like a different person after 6-8 whole hours in a row! Hope your man gets over his flu soon – they’re big sooks aren’t they?!

BG – I’m so sorry to hear about DH’s work. That sounds really stressful for you both. I don’t doubt he’ll find other work quickly though since he’s been doing it forever. Here’s hoping he gets a job that allows him to be home more often so he can give both his girls regular cuddles – very important! Made me laugh reading about E wanting to keep up with the other kids. I think Ivy would be the same… I wanna RUN!!! And glad you had fun at Nae’s… I’ve been following her story through some of her posts and am so excited for her. She seems like such a lovely woman and deserves so much happiness after all the heartache she’s been through.

Amy – I too am dreading teeth as Ivy does exactly the same thing! Bites down and then looks up at me and beams. SO cute but has made me cry out in pain quite a few times and wears very thin when feeding takes forever as they’re too busy looking around to just finish off the feed. Natty sounds like such a cutie. Determined and wilfull, yes, and she shouldn’t give her Mummy such a hard time sometimes, but very cute. I look forward to Ivy being able to chat to me. But at the same time IKWYM about having to put away the smaller baby clothes… they’re growing up so fast!

Sorry to those I’ve missed – thought I’d just stick to this page so at least persies felt do-able. Hiiii to all of you!

AFU – I’m still loving this Mummy gig. Ivy is so gorgeous when she wakes up and sees me in the morning and grins so much her whole body gets involved and it’s grin-wriggle-wriggle-gurgle-squeeeeel-grin!! She does the funniest little dance now when she’s happy where she almost looks like she’s go-go dancing, swinging her arms around and kicking her legs. Cracks me up. So mostly, it’s all good. She makes me smile every day and I just love her more and more, if that’s possible.

But, I have to confess, I’m having some rough spots too. I have suffered from anxiety and depression on and off since adolescence, and some of that is creeping back in. Have had a couple of panic attacks over the past few weeks which is not fun, and I’m finding that I get really scary mental images of something happening to Ivy (like I imagine that I go into her room and find her not breathing) and I freak myself right out. I also find that some days I feel a bit trapped. Like the enormity of this commitment is finally hitting me and I realise that I don’t get a break. Ever. Or at least not for about 18 years. Some days I wake up and it just feels a bit like ‘Groundhog day’ – the same thing over and over again. Ivy is still feeding about every 2 ? hours and refuses to take a bottle so I can’t leave her with anyone (and mostly, don’t want to), but the feeling of being so completely depended on gets a bit overwhelming at times.

Do you know what I mean? Don’t get me wrong… I have no regrets. I adore my little girl and love my new life. It’s just non-stop and draining and confronting and the emotions involved are so strong that sometimes the joy spill over into fear of losing it all or doing it wrong or grief for the loss of my old self.

Well Midget Girl is awake, so here endeth the rant. We’re off to the MCHN for our 4 month appt – late b/c Ivy’s still a bit delayed as she was prem. I’ll try and pop back in and let you know our stats.

Have a great day all!

Well my 50th percentile girl is 'average' for every measurement which is great.

Weight: 6.65 kgs
Length: 63.5 cms
Head circ: 41.5 cms

Gaining weight a little slower at 101g per week but I wasn't surprised at this since it's hard to get her to take a full feed with all the looking around and pulling off. MCHN was happy with all milestones and Ivy gave her a good sample of her 'speech' and chatted away for the whole appt!

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But, I have to confess, I?m having some rough spots too. I have suffered from anxiety and depression on and off since adolescence, and some of that is creeping back in. Have had a couple of panic attacks over the past few weeks which is not fun, and I?m finding that I get really scary mental images of something happening to Ivy (like I imagine that I go into her room and find her not breathing) and I freak myself right out. I also find that some days I feel a bit trapped. Like the enormity of this commitment is finally hitting me and I realise that I don?t get a break. Ever. Or at least not for about 18 years. Some days I wake up and it just feels a bit like ?Groundhog day? ? the same thing over and over again. Ivy is still feeding about every 2 ? hours and refuses to take a bottle so I can?t leave her with anyone (and mostly, don?t want to), but the feeling of being so completely depended on gets a bit overwhelming at times.

Do you know what I mean? Don?t get me wrong? I have no regrets. I adore my little girl and love my new life. It?s just non-stop and draining and confronting and the emotions involved are so strong that sometimes the joy spill over into fear of losing it all or doing it wrong or grief for the loss of my old self.

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OMIGOD Kat, I so could have written that! I understand COMPLETELY, especially the groundhog day bit - Sometimes when I get Bailey up from a nap I think "How on earth am I going to keep him entertained till the next nap and the rest of the day etc :o" and feel VERY overwhelmed, which then morphs into guilt as DH and I worked so hard to have him that I feel that I should appreciate every moment, but it doesn't work that way. I soooooo get that you have no regrets, and I adore Bailey and dont want my life to be different in any way, but gosh sometimes I feel like the 'old' Naomi ceased to exist the moment I gave birth. It IS consuming and draining at times, and I think sometimes the emotions just take over - especially when we are tired and haven't seen the 'outside' world for a while and 'cabin' fever has set in. Usually I try to get out of the house and get some fresh air or just go window shopping when I start to feel that - it seems to do us both good, otherwise I end up having one of those days where I have a big cry (which does the world of good too mind you)!! But I get the whole - this is for 18 years + thing, sometimes I think, when Bailey hits 1+, 2+, 3+ he'll be easier etc, but then I realise that every age has its challenges. Sometimes I think going back to work will help me rediscover 'me ' again, but I am dreading that from the perspective of leaving my baby - its so hard to work it all out sometimes.

Anyway I just wanted to let you know you are not alone in these feelings, they are soooooo normal - I so get it, I'm glad you posted :hug:

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e to confess, I?m having some rough spots too. I have suffered from anxiety and depression on and off since adolescence, and some of that is creeping back in. Have had a couple of panic attacks over the past few weeks which is not fun, and I?m finding that I get really scary mental images of something happening to Ivy (like I imagine that I go into her room and find her not breathing) and I freak myself right out. I also find that some days I feel a bit trapped. Like the enormity of this commitment is finally hitting me and I realise that I don?t get a break. Ever. Or at least not for about 18 years. Some days I wake up and it just feels a bit like ?Groundhog day? ? the same thing over and over again. Ivy is still feeding about every 2 ? hours and refuses to take a bottle so I can?t leave her with anyone (and mostly, don?t want to), but the feeling of being so completely depended on gets a bit overwhelming at times.

Do you know what I mean? Don?t get me wrong? I have no regrets. I adore my little girl and love my new life. It?s just non-stop and draining and confronting and the emotions involved are so strong that sometimes the joy spill over into fear of losing it all or doing it wrong or grief for the loss of my old self.

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Absolutely know what you're talking about. I hadn't experienced depression & anxiety before having Natalie. But after she was born I started having panic attacks (from about 2 weeks) where my skin would pr.ickle and I'd be hot and cold, shaking and very afraid. Mostly when I got into bed at night. It's the most horrible thing I've ever experienced and I'm sorry you are having to go through your own version of them.
We have lots of stairs at our place, and I used to imagine falling down the front stairs while holding her - very vivid pictures in my mind. I have had one or two of those with Phoebe, but certainly nowhere near the same intensity as with Natalie. There was a thread a while back and I was surprised to see how many women had imagined their baby hurt like that (or not breathing as you've described) and we kind of figured that it is as you say - it hits you like a ton of bricks that this is the hugest commitment you'll ever make and it's the most intense feeling of love you'll ever experience. Many of us have brains that process it like that, which is very disturbing. But apparently common.
I can't offer you any advice - I think I just "got through". There are still times when I have those "groundhog day" feelings, but like Naomi said, I try to fill up our days with activities (or at least just a little outing in the morning or something) so that it mixes it up a little. I assure you, the second time round for me has been a billion times better emotionally. I am so much more secure and happy with Phoebe. I'm still stressed at the new stuff that Natty goes through though, LOL! I don't know that I'll ever be cool and collected as a parent, but I guess that's who I am.
So... sorry I have gone on and on about me, but I wanted you to know that I certainly understand everything you're saying. Even if our experiences differ, I do completely understand and would hope that we can all talk to each other when we feel we need that understanding. I am glad you shared, Kat. Thanks.

About to head off to the nurse here too. Will post stats when we get back!

Weight: 6.16kg
Length: 60.5cm
Head circ: 41.2cm

Average except for her big 'ead, LOL!

Naomi - my nurse recommended the CYH website for when we start solids (she said they're being told to recommend starting solids before 6mo now! LOL, changes all the time...) and for reading up on development. She said the NSW health site was complete rubbish, and SA's one was brilliant. :) I was able to tell her that I've already had a little look at it!

Awwww thanks girls, you're so lovely. It really helps to know that I'm not alone in having these feelings. Not feeling that way at all today though. Ivy has been so sweet and chatty and has actually had a couple of really good sleeps which makes all the difference for both of us!

AND shopping always helps!! I just bought an Ergo carrier! Yaaaaaaayyy can't wait for it to get here. I have a Baby Bjorn but it's proving really bad for my back as the weight is carried too high. Tried on a friend's ergo the other day and loved it, so decided to treat myself. We're going to the Grampians again this weekend so I hope it arrives in time so we can wander the hills in style!

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Weight: 6.16kg
Length: 60.5cm
Head circ: 41.2cm

Average except for her big 'ead, LOL!

Naomi - my nurse recommended the CYH website for when we start solids (she said they're being told to recommend starting solids before 6mo now! LOL, changes all the time...) and for reading up on development. She said the NSW health site was complete rubbish, and SA's one was brilliant. :) I was able to tell her that I've already had a little look at it!

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LOL Bailey must have a big noggin too

Weight: 5.87kg
Length: 60cm
Head circ: 43cm (he's in the 50th percentile here, whereas is in the 3rd percentile elsewhere)

Our babies are VERY similar sizes :) Perhaps very brainy hence neading the extra headroom :ROFL:

Bella - hope you have had some rest :) Thinking of you and your feeding frenzy - they are bloody tough!!!

Hi girls!
We've got Allira's 4 month appt this Wednesday. Looking forward to seeing her stats. SHe may just be the fattest baby here. LMAO.

Kat - YES! OMG I love my kids to death, but there are times where I wonder if I did the right thing by having them. Then a millisecond later I realise that my life just wouldn't be complete without them. DS drives me bonkers most days. He's just getting to all those horrid 2 year old things happening, and with Allira finding her voice and becoming more active, it's tough. I honsetly don't know how I haven't gone off the deep end, although I reckon my feet have been dangling.
I'm with Amy though, second time around is much easier. You just have so much more confidence cos heck, the first baby is still alive and seems pretty happy so you must have done something right.
I don't know about you girls, but until I became a mother I wondered why SAHM's used to say that they had the hardest job in the world. Not only is it physically and mentally demanding, but there's just no break. No knock off time. No chance to catch up with friends and stay out until you pleased.
It is also a thankless job in ways. I mean, when the kids reach our ages I'm sure they'll just be so thankful for the life they've had and the way their parents raised them. I am just in Awe of my Mum, who had me at 19, my sister 18 months later and had 3 kids under 6 by age 25. She didn't have as much support as I do, nor as much life experience (not that I had that much more), but I think My sisters and I are all pretty well adjusted. Whenever I am getting down, I always think about Mum, and what age she would have been going through the same things.
I'm so sorry you are going through panic attacks etc. I don't have any idea how that would feel. I hope that it is something that passes very soon. I think kids get easier as they get older and can do things for themselves. It's more a mind game when they reach about 18 months. FUN FUN FUN!

As for Ivy's stats, they are great! Well done! You are doing a wonderful job, so give yourself a big pat on the back.

Amy - Pheobe's stats are great too! Well done! I know how hard it is trying to get the hang of the 2, and you've done fantastically!
Great post too. I always find myself reading your posts and nodding along with what you have written.

Naomi - I'm convinced babies with bigger heads are the brainy ones. DS has a HUGE head and always has. LOL Sometimes I worry that it's empty because of some of the things he does. Poor boy has always had lollypop syndorme. He gets it from his dad who also has a big, but empty head. LOL Poor hubs, I shouldn't pick on him should I?


Hi eveyrone I missed!!!!
Just about to give Allira a feed and get ready for my exercise class. Looking forward to getting out of the house for 2 hours.
Looking forward to meeting you all in just 2 months time! That will fly. Some of these babies might even be sitting up by then! I'll be the psycho nutter running around after her kids, unable to keep up. LOL. I will laugh if my boy decides to go for a swim. Better take a few changes of clothes.

Have a great night!