Babies Born November 2006 #7

well i;m crap today, woke with a slight sore throat yesterday which turned into tonsilitis by last night, ended up at Dr's at 9.30pm getting AB's, woke today witha cold!!! aarrhhhh
sorry no personals. BBL

Oh no! Rest up darlin

TGI Friday! Time for partners to take care of babies.

:)

hope u feel better soon ajp

i woke up yesterday morning with a fever couldnt even get out of bed, think its a 24 hour bug, so Leigh had to come home from work asap cos i couldnt even get up to Emelia..hes home again today to look after us:D im feeling abit better im walking around today! even though im in the toilet every 5 mins (sorry tmi!)

Yuck for feeling sick, girls I hope you recover soon!!

We are in Sydney atm. We flew here today for FIL's 80th birthday. Matilda was atrocious at the airport, but Jovie was an absolute dream. She fell asleep just as we sat down on the plane and slept in her sling for 30 minutes. She woke up & was fantastic, had a feed on the breast & settled really well. Matilda was okay for the flight as well. We got to IL's house easy enough but Jovie wouldn't settle easy (whats new anyway ;)) so she went to bed early because she was so tired... hopefully she'll sleep well tonight!!!

I'm back!! Feeling a little homesick, but was great being home again if only for a few days. We all had the cold while we were away which made evie so ratty and everyone was seeing her for the first time - she didnt look so cute with red eyes and a snotty nose! poor baby!
Flying with her was actually good. we got the bassinet so she was happy to sleep in it and actually went to sleep even easier than she does at home! we had the red-eye flight from perth to sydney and she slept the entire way! i was stoked cos it meant i got some sleep (actually also watched a movie that was really soft porn in disguise). then from sydney to gold coast she screamed most of the way just because she was so tired and over it all. but everyone knew better than us of course 'get up and walk around with her' 'feed her' 'pat her bum' 'making shhh'ing noises' i just wanted to smack everyone in the head! i said 'well we have been travelling for 10hours now...she's done really well'! anyways i have a star jet setting baby and thats that!
hope everyone's well...dont even know where to begin to catch up but i think i will go and rest my influenza-ridden head for a while :)

Hey kim, i was just thinking and i dont know if this sounds stupid are you still bf'ing? can you do that when pg? now i will go rest

WB Taralee. that visit flew by! hope u are feeling better soon.

Christy - have a great time away. Glad the girls flew well

Blanche - hope you are feelng better soon too.

You too AJP - what is going on at the moment?? are we exchanging germs via cyber space.

Hope everyone else is good. got heaps of washing to do today. oh what joy. and thats about it for me....

Hey everyone feeling much better today, it was great to have Leigh home to help out i just layed in bed or on the couch watching foxtel..i was thinking to myself i should pretend im sick sometime just so i can get that treatment lol!!!!

Tara- i dont blame ya from wanting to smack everyone in the head!! that would have been so frustrating.

have a great weekend everyone

Blanche i'm glad you feel better, so do i!!!

SOPHIE can now roll both ways!! woo hoo

That's brilliant AJP - aston has been rolling over from back to front for the last week and half, and then gets frustrated that he can't get back.

While we were sitting eating dinner tonight, Aston was whinging, and watching each of us eat, avidly. so I decided to try him on some farex - thought that if he didn't want it, he would spit it out. Well he just about ripped the spoon out of my hand, and was disappointed when it was all gone!! So I will see how he goes tonight. Hopefully there won't be any adverse reaction. I feel guilty because hes not 6months yet....

HI Ladies, have been away for the weekend. Had a great time at the wedding!

My friend looked gorjus :)

Tara- No im no BF but it can be done

I was just wondering kim if perhaps your hormones being pg may have been affecting chelsea but obviously not!

have you guys watched the homebirth triplets video? just watched it and am still reeling...need to go cuddle and evie

i did the same as you tara needed to cuddle Sophie and smother her with kisses.

Hmmm. not sure what you AJP and Taralee are talking about...

I saw part of each hour of then night last night. What a shocker! Either the food didn't agree with him, or that sharp edge I can feel on his gum is a tooth...who knows....

completely shattered today...think I will hold off on more food til I know what is going on with Aston....dont think I could do another night last night again...

Vicky- https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...ad.php?t=35741 (thats what they are talking about). I also cried and held Chels!!

Glad you had fun at the wedding Kim,

because I have dial up I cant get the triplets birth...oh well, i'll just have to take your word for it.

Aston slept much better last night, so I will put down his sleepless night the previous night to the food experience. will hold off offering it again, no matter HOW much HE wants it...

so I feel alot better this morning, having slept better. was able to even walk the kids and the dog down to the bus stop! yesterday I had trouble finding my way around the kitchen!!

Aston is asleep at the moment, so I am supposed to be doing some banking...but thought I would see how you all are...but its very quiet...busy with growing babies as we all are...

have a good day

Hi gals

Busy weekend and my sister is here so i've not had a chance to catch up.

Kim - Glad you enjoyed the wedding. Good to surface once in a while and feel human again.

Vicky - could be teething as Ella was doing the same thing (and i felt a sharp edge just under her gums too) Now they've popped out she shows them off by grinning to people. Clever girl - she knows how to get cuddles!

Ann

having such a blech day today. dh and i cant seem to work out this whole 'me returning to work thing'. i know i need to go back to work but i just cant put evie in child care even though i work in childcare myself, i dont want my baby there. maybe if i was in the centre with her. i just dont know what to do. i feel so stuck. evie isnt even on a waiting list anywhere so even if i did decide to bite the bullet and go back to work i cant leave evie!
dh thinks i am just being difficult and dont want to try to make it work but i think i'm being realistic. if i could work from home i gladly would but i cant see that as an option.

I love being back at work. Chels was going to my friends, but have now just got her into FDC, she starts Monday. Lovely lady is her carer and im very confident in leaveing her there.

Thats good Kim, i'm glad you found someone you're happy with...i hope you didnt think i was having a go at anyone for putting their baby in daycare...i didnt mean to

No of course not Tara.....its up to the individual what they do with their kids. This was my last option...before not going to work any more.

absolutely. and i'm not saying i dont want to work or that i'm lazy or anything, i, personally, would prefer to look after evie all day rather than someone else - which may sound obvious but i just feel so strongly about it that i'm making things really hard for myself :( i guess i'll have to make a compromise....or sell the house

It was so hard to leave Chels but now im ok, and she liked it. I just hope she likes FDC as much cos the lady is a total stranger to me and her. Plus we needed extra money and i wanted some time alone away for bub...as mean as that sounds :(

no i dont think that sounds mean...i just dont want to admit that i need time away too. anytime i'm given the opportunity to some time by myself i'm always popping my head back in to see what she's up to and i'd hate to be away from her all day. when i went on mat leave in october we estimated that i'd be able to have until the end of feb off and ive had a lot longer so i should be grateful for that. i think also, that i kinda cant give up the whole baby thing. i always think about her birth and remember what a special time that was that i feel like going back to work will be really cementing it that she's getting bigger and that whole initial feeling is over. i know that everyday is still special but i guess i kinda 'grieve' over those first days. does that make sense to anyone else, or am i just a nut job

tara your not a nut at all!!! i grieve those first days, my DH greives even more!!!!!!! i guess cos i;m home and he has to go to work and misses seeing her!!

Its not easy letting go, i always fear ill miss all of Chels's 'firsts' cos she is in care.....but i have her for life and im sure there will be plenty of them. I never went on mat leave, just left work completely....never had a plan of going back for some time, but then DH work offered me some paid work and i took it up.... it dont mean i go every week tho... just when i can be bothered or if im feeling well enuf!

Ann - Thanks for letting me know that is what ella was doing to before the teeth finally popped through. He is funny - will grizzle then can be distracted for a while, and then after a hour or so of distracting just looses the plot, like "I have enough now of my mouth hurting" kind of thing. I have given him panadol a couple of times, especially when he has been fussing about at the breast, then 20mins later he is my aston again..so it has to be that. Its quite difficult to go back to having to guess what is going on, when you have two big kids that can actually tell you. Add to that everyone assuming that because I'm the mummy, and that I have already had two, that I automatically KNOW what is wrong with him. DH especially is guilty of this one. If he asks me one more time what is wrong with him I may just thump him....

Taralee - I remember how I felt after having Laura and returning to work. I did it for 7months, I got a promotionwhile I was on mat leave, and had to know whether it was what I wanted, or whether I wanted to be home with Laura. I hated it back at work, and left work just as she turned 1. Its hard place to be in. See if you can involved with an already established home based business - or maybe family day care might be an option for you to start yourself?

Hope everyone else is doing ok. I'm tired and cranky, and feeling too old to do this....

i did look into family day care but it's not much of an option-financially. i'd have to have 4 kids every day for at least 10 hours and we'd have to make modifications to the house so it would be costly to start and i wouldnt really make that money back, if that makes sense. I think im just going to do relief work at centres and see how that goes.

Evies now just 5 months, do you guys think thats too early for self-settling? she used to go off to sleep on her own after talking to herself but today she has worked out that if she spits her dummy out and cries that i'll come back in. sleeps during the day arent too bad but that bad time around 4 is a nightmare! it takes an hour to get her to sleep and i only want her to have a short nap before bathtime and stuff. at 4:30 it's too early to go to bed but she really needs a nap so i dont know what i should do. HELP :wall:
i sat with her this afternoon and she got really drowsy so i left the room but stood where i could still see her but she couldnt see me. as soon as i left she cried and then when i went back to her she started laughing and smiling! she's so cute but so naughty!!!

Hi taralee - makes perfect sense about the family day care option, and relief sounds like a good alternative. Definately think Evie is old enough for self settling, which is not the same as controlled crying...I let aston self settle. When you go back into her avoid eye contact. which I know is hard to do when they are laughing and smiling at you. pat her bottom, or stroke her head, time for sleep...do that for a couple of minutes til she stops talking or crying, then walk out again. I read some where today, that you increase the time between returning by a min each time. any way...give it a go...she may also be starting to drop a sleep and go down to two...if that makes sense...

Well today i hit the final straw....sick as a dog and i cant get any help. DH is busy with work and cant take time off. Im sick of being a mum and cant handle it no more.

Chels will not settle, i tried to get her into sleep talk and they a bloody well all booked out until JUNE.
SHe has had cat naps all day which is useless to me. I cant sleep when 20 mins later she is up screaming her lungs again.

Tried apples yesterday and she spewed it al back up. So im sticking to milk. I dont want to move on to new foods if all i have to do is mop it off the floor and my clothes.

Sorry if i sound very negative but im not well, and Chels is just being a PIA and no one gives a damn.

See ya ladies.....

sorry to \hear your having a rough day Kim!! :hugs: it's not hard beena mummy let alone a mummy and being pregnant!! go sit down for 5 minutes and close your eyes.

chelsea might not be ready for soilds yet, have you tried rice creal firts? sophie hasnt started yet but will try next weekend.

have you tried the sleep school in rosebud?

talk to me what time is she going to bed at night? whats your night routine?

I wasnt ready to give her solids but after everyone nagging me i thought id give it a go. I guess ill try rice cereal or something next. I feel at this rate she will be on milk for life. I have no idea what im doing....

Routine... WTF is that.... she has none.. she was in a good one for a while then my friend sent it out the door everytime Chels would go to her place.

So now she runs me. Bad i know but im that damn tired she can do what she wants. Night time normally she has a bottle around 7-8...(only the 3rd for the day..and she has 4 in a day). Bath time is normally 830-9. She still is very unsettled then. By 10 im pulling my hair out and feed her even if it has only been 2-3 hours. Sometimes she will fall asleep and she goes to bed then.... but will wake aorund midnight for play time. NOTHING will settle her then or go back to sleep. I end up hanging over her cot in tears and literally screamign for her to sleep.

Im a bad mother...bad bad bad.

My nurse said give sleep talk a go first....be ok if i could get in... who runs stupid talks only 2 times a month... ???

Im really just a lost case that cant be helped.

please dont take anything i say as critism, i really just want to help!! :)

i really think that by 8-9 chelsea is probably overtired, i would really try to get her bed time back to around 7pm, it may take a while day by day bring things back by say 15 mins until you have established a routine.

i know that you work 2 days a week so that throws everything out for you :doh:

dont worry about what others say about soilds do it when YOU thinks she's ready. sophie is 6 months next week and never had solids.

i'll tell you our day if that helps

depending on what time she goes to bed, usually between 6.30 and 7, shes usually up at 5.30/6, she feeds then plays for about 1 hour, she then goes back to bed within that hour for anything up to 2 hours.

throughout the day she feeds 2 hourly and only lasts up to 90 mins before needing a sleep, depending on her last sleep for the arvo she'll be in bed around 90 mins after she wakes. after 1 hour i get her ready for bed, thats a bath (10-15 mins) then massage (5 mins) jamies on, at this times she's getting snippy, feed and bed. i usually dont hear from her til the next morning but sometimes she wakes for a feed about 2 hours after her last feed. she cluster feed ( well i cluster feed her) late arvo so she has 6 feeds a day.
she sleeps in a sleeping bag only at night, though i tell her i love her everytime she goes for a sleep isay good night love you several times at night, so hopefully she knows that that is bedtime.

if chelsea is having 4 bottles maybe give her smaller amounts more often see if that helps

i dont let sophie get overtired if i can during the day, first sign of tiredness and she'd off to bed, without a fight at all, on the occasions that she's overtired i wrap her but that's not often at all.

KIM i'm trting to find the sllep talks for my council, will get back to you soon

i hope i can help, your not a bad mum, please dont think that!!!

I know people either wont beleive me or say i must not have tried hard enuf, but we have tried and tried tro get her to bed early..... we tried for 9pm for a week and half and each time she would scream, spew, another bath, new pj's, settle and back in bed.... to have it all go the same again. The ealrier she goes to bed... the worse she gets. this is why i need help. ive tried the suggestions my nurse and social workeer have said, i downloaded cry/sleep routines- none worked.

Maybe i havent tried hard enuf, or maybe im doing it wrong....i have no idea. She is like a problem child.... or am i the problem???

I guess i just have to keep at it and maybe just maybe this will all be sorted before bub comes along. I can only hope and pray.....

kim neither of you are a problem!!!!!!every kid is different some easier than others!!!! have you thought about sleep school?

I have thought about sleep school but my nurse said give sleep talk a go first??

But i cant get into that and i dunno how to get into sleep school....i just want something to help Chelsea sleep and routine... so i can sleep and not feel like if been hit for a six each and every day!!

what time does she wake up, tell me her routine for the day, how long between sleeps?

Around 8-9am: Wakes up plays for 20 mins or so. We get up change bottom, have first bottle. Plays on floor or in bouncer, talks to herself and me. She wont sleep. Doesnt rub eyes or appear tired. sometimes a cat nap...no more then 10-15 mins

1-130: 2nd bottle, if she is falling asleep i put her in bed, 15-20 mins later she is up wide awake again. Put dummy in and walk out... normally dont work so i get her up. She plays until next bottle.

530-6 bottle and play. watches tv and chats to herself.

7-daddy gets home so they play together then we have tea.

830-9: bath and rest time....then bottle and if fallen asleep bed.

midnight-2am- wake up and wants to play will not settle. i end up a mess.


She does not have day sleeps, if u out her down she just screams/cries/vomits. Overheats and will not calm down. If she goes to sleep in my arms or in bouncer and u try to move her then she wakes and will not go back to sleep.

She used to wake at 730am, feed then back to bed til 10 or so. then feed and have mini catnaps.... but now she doesnt even have sleeps any more....

I jsut dont know how to start a routine for her. She has never been a good sleeper...

She demands food every 3.5-4 hours and drinks all of her 220ml bottle each time. Do i maybe need to wake her early each day, in ordr to fit the 4 bottles in and get her to bed early.??

Just how do i do it..... ill try anything..... i dont care how much effort i have to go to... ill try any more suggestions any one has!!

My days i work are mondays and fridays. I wont be picking her up until 730pm each night... and she gets dropped off at 8am. Which means she will be up at 730am on those 2 mornings.

Thanks sooo much AJP... your a gem.... im sorry i sound like a winger or a stupid mum.... :(

Kim - u poor thing, i cant even imagine how hard this must be for u, i just wish i or someone else was there to look after Chelsea for a while to let u have a well deserved sleep/rest!
i hope u can get help with Chelsea soon *hugs* darl u are a great mother remember that as hard as times get...

Just wanted to share with u Emelia's routine as she is bottle feed too (i know every babies different) sorry if im not helping

Emelia wakes at 7 i get her bottle (200mls) ready straight away she has that we have a little chat then she plays in her bounce bounce baby, once she becomes sooky and starts dropping all her toys on the floor i put her to bed she sleeps for 30 mins

so about 9.30/10 she gets up has a little play on playmat or i spend time with her sitting up playing with toys, then bottle usually 3 or 4 hours after first.

then she has another sleep for 30-45mins awake sometimes she will be happy enough just to have a chat to her self in cot, i get her out so she can play with her toys, watch some tele with me, then another bottle around 2 -3, now in the arvo is the hardest for her to sleep so as soon as she shows any signs of been grumpy i put her into bed it will take about 20-30mins for her to get to sleep , then has a 30min -hour...a few weeks back she would sleep through the night with only having 3 bottles so i left it but after a few nights she was waking through the night so i would make sure she would have her 4th bottle and thats when i started solids with her 4th bottle.

after that sleep is play then bottle, solids (only recently just started), bath, then a little play with daddy and to bed usually at around 7 - 7.30 till morning