Babies Born ~ March 16th-31st 2011 #4

Hi ladies just heard on the weekend that who is changing the solids to 4- 6 months providing they are ready. Found this on the huggies site current as of May.

"There has been much confusion around the impending changes to the recommendations on solids. New research suggests that the increase in allergies in the West may be due to the change to a delayed approach (6 months) away from the previous 4-6 months recommendation. It appears that there is a window of time where a bubs immune system isn’t yet fully primed, which may be the best time to introduce foods, allowing their system to be exposed but without it over-reacting. Hence, the recommendations are, it seems, about to move back to 4-6 months in line with signs of readiness. The last point is the most important point, that solids are introduced in relation to clear signs of readiness, in other words we follow baby’s lead. Yeah, it makes so much more sense.
So, before starting solids look for a number of signs of readiness, such as:
- Baby is able to hold their head up well (so that the throat is clear for the passage of food, try swallowing food with your head on your chest).
- Bab can sit unaided.
- Baby’s tongue doesn’t poke out as much, which shows they are able to chomp rather simply suck food in.
- Baby shows clear interest, such as practicing chomping motions with their mouth while they watch you eat.

Once baby is four months or older and you see a number of these, and in particular the top 3, then you might like to give solids a go. Not sleeping through the night, particularly on its own isn’t really sufficient to suggest starting solids, especially at an early stage.

Iron fortified baby cereals are great, but you might find baby finds them a little bland, plus they tend to have a very high glycaemic index so don’t offer much sustenance. I recommend starting with avo as it has a fatty composition a little similar to breastmilk, then trial sweet potato (say on day four, remembering to trial each new food for 3 or so days), then trial baby cereal. You now have three foods that you can use in combinations and use to mix into new foods you trial, this gives baby some variety in both tastes and textures. Variety is the key to a good start. You can offer rice cereal once a day, 3 times in the week for example and use it with various meals. It is a nice way to thicken overly watery meals."

Thought some of you might be interested. : )

Jaki, that is horrible!! : (

Great info tams.

Yeah she was a bit slack. Said she will do it a his 4 month check.
I'd have to do a 6hr round trip to see a gyno :(

Yeah but if you cant dtd Jak shouldn't it be a priority you are looked at? I had the fourth degree tearing and had to have weekly appointments. I hope you can get that sorted, it can effect you emotionally too. Hugs darlin. You guys really need a good woman's clinic up there!! You will be down here in a month? Maybe you could see a gyno then? Or your ob? xx

OMG! jak it wont go in you poor bugger i'd be throwing in some lube and forcing it in if i went that long without it lol but in all seriousness i hope it's nothing serious and just your v jay jay deciding to take a vacation after going through childbirth.

Tams-that was what us oldies did years ago when they show signs then we started solids it was around 4 months for my boys.

I have an awesome womens health clinic down here just hard to get into there is a 2 month wait as the lady doctor is really nice i am in no hurry i have my pap smears every 2 years and have never had a bad result i will book mine in the next few weeks.

Lmao Ferrals! Yep, with Zo was 4 months. Guess I will just wait and watch for the signs. xx

Ok i better get off my butt and go put 5 electric blankets on the beds and change all of the sheets to flannelette sheets it's getting pretty cold here in the mornings.
Then washing washing and more washing and iron the uniforms and make dinner feed the animals pick the kids up from school :wall:

http://www.who.int/features/qa/21/en/index.html
Taken from WHO website... Nothing noted on the website to say they are revising this guideline in regards to solid introduction. FWIW when MJ was a baby, someone told me that WHO were going to change the guidelines then, that was 3 years ago...
Each to their own though :)

I look at this but it seems more of an article from 2007.Do you know were the guidelines are? Hard site to navigate and the search function is useless... Btw did you use your frame yet Sam? The finger prints and hands were just done the other day... lol.

Either way, I am going off Kolton. By the time he reaches one.. they will most likely change it back. Zo eats everything and has no allergies but then again i was not every going to give her a million choices either. : )

Health nurse today. E is 5kg (5.11kg naked after a feed on digital scales) and 58.5cm.

Currently neither are napping so I'm tucked up in bed watching a DVD with J while I feed E.

House is a mess, there's no food in the house, no idea what's for dinner, I'm annoyed at J for not napping, I'm tired and who the heck is going to clean my house?

scone: wooo go E, nice weight gain. Last friday buck naked Chase was 5.7kg, my little man. Maybe tell your DH that its mother's day off??? ;)

LMP: I think I'm going to do the same and just see when Chase tells me he is ready. Though I can't imagine he'll be starting solids any time soon going off those signs of readiness LOL though he does seem interested when we sit him at the table in his high chair with us when we eat. He thinks its funny when we chew.

jaki: no chance of another dr??? That's bull that the dr doesn't think something is wrong when you can't have sex.

ergh got a headache, wish i could nap but Chase has a blocked nose. not runny, just blocked and doesn't sleep longer than 1-2 hours day and night. I feel like im starting to get a twitch in my eye LOL

Hi guys, I'm still alive... JUST.

This is going to be a me post, so sorry in advance :(

I'm feeling like ****, literally.
Prior to wednesday I had been taking the maximum recommended amount of panadol for just over 2 weeks as I was in that much pain in my jaw, ears and head, basicaly had what felt like a constant migraine the entire time. Wednesday after my GTT (which went well, don't know the results yet though) and my 6wk checkup (waste of time with that GP, all she did was check my temp and BP), it got worse so I bought mersyndol, I was that desperate!
Was taking the maximum amount of mersyndol on friday, and it was still getting worse, 1am saturday morning I woke up in agony, called the ambulance, they couldn't do anything and I was reluctant to go to hospital because the only pain relief they could give me while expressing was nurofen, sucks big time :( The Ambo's (they were so lovely and so helpful!) told me to call the royal melbourne dental hospital, so at 9am on saturday after maybe 3 hours of broken sleep I called the Dental Hospital and told them I was coming up. We dropped the kids off at my stepmums, drove up to Pakenham, caught the train to dandenong and then had to get the bus from there to oakleigh (stupid work was being done on the lines, it was supposed to be an express bus but took an hour to get to friggin oakleigh!), finally got to Flinders St Station at 1pm, made it to the dental hospital at 1:30, didn't get seen until around 4ish. They x-rayed my right wisdom tooth, there's a huge cavity the size of a pea in it. They have a brief ook at the left wisdom tooth - it's just a shell with the center scooped out, but not causing as much pain as the right one.
They get rid of the worst areas in the right wisdom tooth, examine the x-ray and tell me that the root is going right through the bone and is touching the damn nerve canal! They could either extract it and the other one (apparently if one is right on the nerve canal then the other most likely is too) then and there and I could loose feeling in half my face for either 3-6 months or it could leave me with permanent nerve damage resulting in not being able to feel a thing for the rest of my life OR I could see a specialist and have a full mouth x-ray and have surgery to remove the wisdom teeth...

I opted for seeing the specialist and surgery, no way and I going to risk NOT being able to taste anything EVER AGAIN! Stuff that.

Anyway, they put a temporary cap on the right wisdom tooth as it was hurting the most, and left the other one alone as they couldn't do anything to it, the cavity is just too big... And it was all caused by being pregnant with Elise, typical!

Anyway, took a bit for the pain to subside once the local anaesthetic had worn off, and I felt really good and was back to only having 3 mersyndol and 4 panadol a day until last night when it flared up again, this time on the left side, took 3 mersyndol and 2 panadol in less than 2 hours and it did nothing for the pain.
Called the ambo's (lovely people yet again, one of them had come out when I'd had one of the mini panic attacks I've been having since Elise was born, so it was nice to see a familiar face), went to hospital at 1:30am this morning, had to wait almost 2 hours just to be seen and I was shaking so much and bawling my eyes out, doctor saw me asked what the pain was out of 10, I said 8/10 when it's waning, 11-12/10 when it flares and feels worse than labour! He gave Panadeine Forte, made me wait for it to start working, asked me again what the pain was like, I said 6/10 when it's waning, 8/10 when it flares, he made me wait a bit longer for it to work a bit more, I dozed off because I was exhausted, doctor woke me up and said good, you're not in pain anymore you can go home. Didn't even ask if I was still in pain, just assumed that I wasn't because I had fallen askeep.
Had to take another 2 panadeine as soon as I got home at 4:30am this morning, slept until 8 when DS woke up, took another panadeine and 2 panadol, and it was managable, have had to take another 2 panadeine a short time ago, and I'm feeling horribly guilty and upset because I'm still expressing and everything I'm expressing is being tipped down the sink because of al the painkillers I'm taking :( I hate it that I have to put Elise on full formula feeds now, it's killing me inside, and I keep on crying every time I think about it.
I'm still waiting for the specialist to call, was hoping that they'd call today to arrange the appointment, it's driving me crazy, I just want to be without pain and to be able to feed my baby girl with my own milk. Tomorrow is hubby's last day off work for the next fortnight, after that I don't know what I'll do. I can barely cope with DS at the moment with all the pain that I'm in, and he doesn't understand that I'm in so much pain and can't pay as much attention to him as he wants and he doesn't understand why I have such a short temper with him either :(

Sorry for the me post, I just needed to get it off my chest, I'm feeling so down and tired and so over it all. I'm terrified of having surgery, but I'm more afraid of having to keep on taking so many strong painkillers and doing damage to my liver and having to stop expressing completely and let my milk dry up.

Hope the rest of you are doing ok.

jenna: oh you poor thing, what an awful time you have been having :hug: hope the specialist calls soon and gets everything sorted so that you don't have to be in constant pain.

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OMG! jak it wont go in you poor bugger i'd be throwing in some lube and forcing it in if i went that long without it lol but in all seriousness i hope it's nothing serious and just your v jay jay deciding to take a vacation after going through childbirth.

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You seriously CRACK ME UP!!! We did try lube. She reckons i need to give it more time for the hormones to settle, and that BFing can effect it too. We shall see!

Jenna try not to be too upset about the pump n dumping... i think it amazing that you are keeping up your supply through this tough time... its exhausting!

New ticker! Lovin it sick :D

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Omg jak that is so slack of her!!
Ferrals that is so interesting about the monitor being affected by the gate, good thing you discovered it when you did!
Not sure when I will start c on solids,have always said I wouldn't start before 6 months but we will see lol. Ella I didn't start til 7 months but she's a whole different story lol.
Jenna you poor thing, that sounds horrible! Hope you get the surgery soon, and you should be so proud, good on you for keeping your supply up, when it would be so easy to stop right now. Make sure you are looking after yourself too.
Hmmm forgot what else I was going to say, stupid phone!
Hi everyone!!!

Just on the monitors, we have a baby sense which is like the angel care and it can sometime be affected by the ceiling fans too - not an issue for this time of year for us thou :) just thought I would share.

JJ - hope u are doing ok

Will post properly when I am off my phone


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I squirted!!! Yay! Mad skills! Haha- only took 9 weeks ;)

Just thought I'd share. What a weird thing to be excited about.

Going shopping in rocky tomoz!! Yay for big w and kmart!!!! Not so excited for the 6 hrs of driving tho :(

Hey ladies very quiet in here.

Jaki-Yah! for squirting lol sounds strange but hey if your excited over it then so am i.

Well what a strange few days i have had with Ella monday night she had a bottle at 5:30 went to bed and slept until 1am :dance: but then only had 60mls of her bottle and went back to sleep until 6am:dance: which i thought was great until she again would not have more than 60mls she stayed awake until 10am where i tried again to give her a bottle but she didnt want a bar of it so i put her to bed she slept until 1:30pm and had only 60mls again :o she stayed awake for 2 hours then went back to sleep until 3:30 and still didnt want a bottle i tried and tried but nup not a drop so then she went back to sleep at 4:30 and slept and slept i was getting worried as she had only had 180mls in 24 hours and her nappies were not real wet so by 8:30 i went and woke her up to try to give her a bottle she had 180mls :dance: so i thought great she is drinking again but when i was burping her she fell asleep on my shoulder so i put her back to bed she has never slept so much usually she has some play time.
Anyway 12 midnight came and she was awake had only 60mls again:o 3am and she was awake again didnt want a bottle so she went back to sleep then 4am and 5am she was up whingeing and sounding really uncomfortable so i got her out of bed and noticed she had vomited clear fluid on her sheets so i got her up changed her bed and tried a bottle where she finally had 180mls again i am a little concerned as she is still asleep now she is not having anywhere near the amount of formula she usually has.
Today is wednesday and she has only had 600mls since monday night that is only 3 bottles in total where she normally has 5 bottles a day.

hi ladies, hope all of you and all the littlies are going good.

took Allyssa to our old nurse yesterday, she has put on all up 90gm in 2 weeks, so 70 this past week and 30 the one befor. while she didnt get into a frantic over it, she did explain how it is the bare minimum they can accept. while she isnt going great with weight she has grown 2.5cm in length, so it looks like most of the weight is actualy her hight.
She helped explain to me the best way to do both ff & bf, but has a feeling that as i wasnt able to feed the others and gave up arround the 3 month mark, that my body might automaticaly cut the supply then out of habbit.
she recomended i give her 2x60ml top ups in the morning and arvo, then stick with the 60-120ml she has been having befor bed, go back in 2 weeks and see howe much she has put on then, also try to express as much as i can (this will be fun as ive only ever sussefuly done it once) and we will go from there.
it was good to have someone actualy explain the reasons behind it and not just go off charging like a bull! she also showed me Allyssa's weight/hight mesurements on the adverage chart and the who one, (thanks to you ladies i already knew what that was! lol) her height and head measurements are prety spot on, her weight was at the start, but started to drop down the last month and has continued down, not up.

sorry for no persies, lots of cleaning to do, and ds2 has decided to chuck the bigest tanties yesterday, and contiuing them today, oh fun!

Hi girls, just thought I'd drop in n let u know I'm still alive...been busy with uni n wedding stuff n only going to get busier grrr. Mark had the cold last week n now I think my poor lil man is getting it!!!

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Can babies go in spas or are they too hot?

Hi all :D

If it's your spa at home then he will let you know if it's to hot if it's a hotel spa that dosent get emptied after each use i wouldnt put my bub in one after hearing what people do in them:lol:

Hi all,

Sorry for the me post.
I wonder if I should be worried about Chloe or happy she's discovered sleep. Went to sleep at 3pm yesterday arvo, I had to wake her at 4.20am for a feed. Had a huge feed and nappy/clothes change (cos she didn't have a night nappy on and peed through everything!). Back asleep by 5.30 this morning and still asleep.....

Jaki- how come your ticker say wyatt is 2 months and 2 days when he was born before Ella and she is 9 weeks tomorrow (2 months 6 days today) shouldnt your ticker say 2 months and 7 days wasn't wyatt born day or two before Ella

Ellasmummy-read my post a few post's back ella went through a few days of sleeping for age's and missing her feeds i had to wake her also to feed her she is back to her normal sleep times now.

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Hi all,

Sorry for the me post.
I wonder if I should be worried about Chloe or happy she's discovered sleep. Went to sleep at 3pm yesterday arvo, I had to wake her at 4.20am for a feed. Had a huge feed and nappy/clothes change (cos she didn't have a night nappy on and peed through everything!). Back asleep by 5.30 this morning and still asleep.....

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is she feeding and gaining weight? the health nurse said to me when they arnt getting enough weight gain they can become overly tired, and was suprised how allert a is. just a sugestion, if your worried about it call and ask a nurse on call or someone.

Ah I did see that ferrals, glad she's back to normal.
Sarah - yup gaining weight like a fatty lol.
She just woke up and is having a feed, see if she can stay awake for playgroup lol.
:)

Lou she might just be having a catch up :)

Ferrals Wyatt is 9 weeks today but the tickers go by months so was 2 months on the 17th, confusing hay :D it's just cause their isn't always 4 weeks in every month.

It's a resort spa so I might give it a miss. Stephen is taking us away for our anniversary and the room is a penthouse with a private roof spa.

Whoo Hooo Jaki! I love those rooftop spas! ; )

Ellasmummy: Sounds like a growth spurt. : )

Iona: Good luck to you darlin with all the planning. Btw won't be able to do your hens so please save the invite. xx

Just a question, is it anyone else's baby sleeping through the night? K sleeps from 6-30 pm to 6:30 am. He has since about 5 weeks. I feel just now though, at over 9 weeks am I getting back to my normal schedule of getting up at 5 ect... Starting to feel normal. : )

Everyone else, sorry I missed a few people. I am finding it hard to catch up with Facebook too and would love to deactivate but hard with family so far away, you tend to get dependent on it. xx

Have girls weekend next week! SO SO SO looking forward to it!! Oysters. : )

Tams-All my boys did from about 2-3 weeks of age but Ella is still waking up once she goes to bed about 7:30-8 o'clock then she will wake between 2 and 4am the last few nights though she isnt really drinking a lot only about 60mls then goes back to sleep until 6am so i think she isnt really hungry just use to waking at that time i try to keep putting her dummy in but after the 9th time (last night ) i gave up and gave her a bottle which she only drank 60mls i hope she will be sleeping right through before i go back to work.
Oh and i do have to get up once or twice to pop her dummy in otherwise she sleeps really well and self settles off to sleep so i supose i cant complain.

That is awesome Ferrals. Bet she is just not wanting you to miss a moment of what is happening in her life. : ) I don't have anything to compare it to as dd slept like K so it makes it hard sometimes for me to remember that not every baby is like this.

One thing, he SCREAMS from the moment he wakes up from his naps for his bottles like he would rather me wait by his bed with a bottle and the moment he stirs, insert into his mouth!!
2 days in a row now.. when I get to the microwave he stops and... smiles!! Lmao. It is truly moments, like this that make my day and everything worth it. Hope you guys are enjoying these moments too. xx

Omg, I have so many baby items I need to put on e bay, really need to get onto that...... xx

tams: chase still only goes to sleep around 9.30pm-10.30pm and then wakes up 5.30am-6.30am so he sleeps for 8 hours. Wish he went for 12 hours you lucky thing. The best part is though when he wakes up for the 5.30 or 6.30 feed he goes straight back to sleep for another 4 hours :) So I guess i do get my 12 hours, just with a break in between. Chase grunts when he wakes up :) and then when I peek in at him he smiles, probably cos he knows the milk bar has arrived but still, makes me smile :)

lou: maybe growth spurt :) actually chase went through a sleepy phase last week and that was his 3 weeks thingy, like every 3 weeks growth spurt. Not so much eating this time, just alot of sleeping.

jaki: woohoo how romantic. our anniversary is coming up on the 24th may, i doubt DH has planned anything :rolleyes: don't know why i bothered marrying him when he doesn't do anything special for anniversaries

ferrals: sounds like Ellas nearly going to be sleeping through the night for you :) good luck!!

Arrrghh why does DH have to come home and start banging around while Chase is sleeping!!!! I will cut you!!!! LOL joking...a little bit hehehe. I feel kind of gross actually, I haven't had a shower yet all day :redface:

Hey jak that sounds awesome!!
Kitty my DH and ella bang around just when c has gone to sleep too. Annoying!
Well I shouldn't have worried, Chloe is back to her good old self. Been awake since 9.45am with a couple of cat naps. Me so sleepy!!! Go to sleep crazy child! Have tried feeding,bathing,cuddling,wrapping,walking,laying in my bed with her. I give up!!! She's laying naked on a towel on the lounge floor laughing at the tv lol. Cries every time I put any nappy or clothes on lol. Crazzeeee

Well Hello Everyone.

bugger i just lost my train of thought while watching Paniyiri on Sunrise yummmm honey puffs. Oh yeah thats right lol

Hope you are well. I have been reading but cant be stuffed posting lol but since J is sleeping thought I give it a go but I cant remember all that was written.

Kitty - DH doesnt really get the whole aniversay thing either. Men just suck when it comes to that.

Tams - I am soooo sorry I didnt get back to you. THinks so tight after Jus op and Jay procedure that we are scraping by. Im hoping if its ok to get up there for at least a few hours on one of the days.

Well as soon as I write this I am sure to jinx it but the last 4 night J has sleep from 7-8pm - 6am WOW but then gets up has a bottle and then goes back to sleep for another hour.

Yesterday I was ready to give up. He screamed for the majoirity of the day,. I have no idea what his issue is. I took him to the GP as his testies are HUGE. She sent us for an ultrasound but he is pretty sure they are just Hydraceels (full of fluid) so Dr thought that might be his prob. She told me to just give him panadol or get this KNOW HIM OUT WITH FENERGAN!! What the? I stuck with the panadol. But man did I have a headache.

He has awoken from a slumber so I better go. Thank God for the swing I say xxx

I seriously remember the drink for the GTT being nicer when I was preggo, I must have just been a fat biatch who would throw anything down the gullet! Lol
I'm ready to puke :(

Kylz-funny my doctor told me to give Ella phernergan when she had that rough few days after her needles and the box and the chemist said phernergan is not suitable for babies under 2yrs but when my boys were babies it was given without a worry i was surprised when i went to get it from the chemist that it is now not recomended.
What dose did your doctor tell you to give jayden i didnt give any to Ella i thought i would wait and see how she went.

I must be lucky in the DH department he never forgets an anniversary or BDay or mothers day i always get a surprise he even just does things for no reason he brought me home a beautiful timber photo frame with a huge blown up newborn picture of Ella in it. It looks professionly done and yesterday he brought me home one single red rose and i said what is that for and he said cant i buy my gorgeous girl i rose cause i love her:loveshower: he is such a sweety and after 4 years he has not wavered one bit.

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Kylz-funny my doctor told me to give Ella phernergan when she had that rough few days after her needles and the box and the chemist said phernergan is not suitable for babies under 2yrs but when my boys were babies it was given without a worry i was surprised when i went to get it from the chemist that it is now not recomended.
What dose did your doctor tell you to give jayden i didnt give any to Ella i thought i would wait and see how she went.

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She said to say its for yourself cause they wont give to baby and ask for the liquid. Said to give 2.5ml she wrote it on my hand lol. She also told me baby vix is fine and to put on feet and chest before bed.

Hahahaha jak u funny bastard

Kylz-Well obviously our doctors think it is still ok to use in babies i googled it and the only thing i found that in some babies it can sedate them so much that it effects their breathing but if you only give a tiny dose then i would assume it would be fine like i said i gave it to my boys when sick to help them sleep and my doctor told me to give to my DS2 when we went on a 14 hour bus trip he was only 10-14 weeks old at the time i cant remember exactly.
Anyhoo i am a bit chicken to use it even though i have a angelcare monitor now that i have read what it can do to some babies i wont use it unless absolutely nessersary.