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Holly-- Big Hug....I'm sure L sleep will improve once his breathing gets sorted out,must be so hard for you....but try to remember that is probably the only reason he hasn't got himself into a routine....My L too likes to snuggle in bed with the booby for a dummy, DH goes to work at 4am so I find that from that time onwards I put L into bed with me and just keep swapping boobs as he empties each one, so your not alone there...Chin up it will get better, I promise.....
Holly- don't worry, we don't have a routine either!! Or maybe we do but I'm not happy with it! I'm trying to have her first feed of the day at 6.30am (later would be good) but this never happens. She always wakes up at 5am!! Won't go back to sleep!! Ahhh!!!! And she won't go to bed early. She will only go to bed at 8.30, lol. She has decided this for herself. Then she wakes 2-3 times and is up for the day at 5am. Day sleeps totally suck, she will only sleep in the HAB or with me holding her! If I put her down she will wake up. No hope of self settling either. How on earth is everyone getting their babies to self-settle? I'm about to start trying the plan in the book 'the no-cry sleep solution'. Hopefully we'll start soon but it's hard coz I know when we start it's going to be worse for a bit before it gets better. But I need to teach her to go to sleep on her own bc she's too heavy for all this rocking now!
shell - woot on the dummy free time.
we don't have a clock based routine. I don't have an alarm clock in the bedroom (always used my mobile) but I roughly try and get Alex down by 8pm, last night he went into his cot by about 11pm (so it takes awhile - I have to wait until he is zonked before putting him in his cot).. then up by 8-9am - active til about 10/11am then sleep in my arms for an hour or so, activity til 2-3pm, then another booby fest until whenever he wakes up (maybe 5pm?). but I run mostly on Alex time.. this non-routine works for us - don't have any other kids around to worry about and I enjoy reading!
If I have trouble settling him (like his nonroutine ain't enough of a hassle) I will play with him a bit until he just looses interest and then whack him back on the boob and he'll fall asleep pretty quickly. I also pat his bum when he's falling asleep so hopefully he will associate that with sleepiness and will eventually be able to remove the boob element.
Heaven - Alex will self settle if he is really tired and has had a cuddle fest for several hours. I hear you on the day time sleeps.
Holly- quick question, when you feed L overnight in your bed, do you sit him up to burp him??? My L will feed and we both fall asleep with my boob hanging out on tap for him like a dummy!!!:redface:really bad habit I know and I was so not like that with DD but I find I'm just so tired and it's the quickest way.
I then worry about wind coz he always burps after feeds when I'm sitting up or he gets a pain about 20 mins after and wakes himself up again, he doesn't seem to have pain when I'm feeding him lying down but he is sucking on the boob to settle so he might just be happy to be on the boob...
Sorry rambling on...back to the original question do you burp L when you lie down and feed him???
pinny ive always wondered the same!!
with all this talk of sleep.... how long do most bubbas stay awake between sleeps???
millie still only lasts around 60-75 mins
AJP- Lewis is only awakefor that long too , if I'm really pushing it he will stay awake for 1.5hrs but it's usually coz I'm busy doing stuff and have missed the cues...and then he is not as easy to self settle.
good im glad its not just me!! though your lucky because lewis sleeps longer than miss millie! maybe lewis can have a chat with millie on thursday! :lol:
Pinny- I don't burp DD at night. I read that when they have those sleepy feeds they don't get wind bc they're so sleepy and suck slowly.
AJP- DD is up for about 1.5hrs and around 2hrs in the afternoon.
Emily varies in awake time depending on her naps, if she only has 45 min nap then she'll be tired after an hour but if she sleeps for 1.5hrs she can stay awake for 1.5 or over.
Just took Ash to Dorothy Dinoaur show, waste money she just sat there not overally impressed, asked her if she enjoyed it and she said no, came home and she decided to kick Emily, not hard but still she knows its not allowed and then hit me when I told her off. She has been unwell and still bit off but I don't allow that. So not very good day so far! Plus we all coughing all night.
Hehe thanks for all the support, I feel a bit like a sook :redface:
Pinny, no I rarely sit him up to burp him because, like you, I'm just too zombied out and usually fall asleep feeding him. Also, sitting him up to burp him tends to wake him up all over again :doh: Glad I'm not the only one lol.
Heaven, Grace sounds like L during the day! I rarely use the hab anymore, he's just getting too heavy and although it's meant to be "hands free" I feel like I still need to support his head (maybe because he's got a boof head?!) and I actually can't do a whole lot wearing it! So I feed and rock/carry him to sleep during the day.
He is asleep right now, been sleeping since 11:35. I wonder if this will be a miracle hour+ long sleep!! He was screaming blue murder before he went down though. Today was his first day having his meds increased to 7ml, so after I gave it to him he just would not stop screaming. Finally, after many attempts, got him to calm down on the boob, but he didn't want milk (he just kept sucking, opening his mouth to spit out the milk and sucking again!). I tried to put him down, but failed the first time, he just woke up with this whiny squealy cry (which really peeves me because it's a stubborn "I wanna be held" cry, so I picked him up again and managed to put him down a few minutues later - woohoo!!
Shell - yay on the dummy-free day sleeps!! Oh and what a game last night!! My older brother was rolling around on the floor in excitement!
Det, yeah I should really start recording his sleepy periods and see if there's a pattern. Sounds like a good idea, if there even is a pattern! Actually I can tell you right now, today is totally different than yesterday - he had his first day sleep at 1pm yesterday and today he went down at 11:35am. Hmmm, keep persevering I guess! I couldnt imagine having twins! I hope boof is back to his normal happy self today.
Megie, sounds like E has a fantastic sleep pattern!
Tarkine, L has to be zonked too if I put him down, or he's straight back up!
AJP, L is awake for hours before he has a sleep. He often only has one or two half hour naps a day. You would think he'd be buggered by the evening! :doh:
Anyway, I'm really going to try and space out his feeds more like I used to...I honestly think his sleeps have gone to crap since I've stopped looking at the clock (even though they say going by the clock only stresses you out - I'm stressed regardless!) Wow it's been 25 minutes and not a peep! Hope I'm not jinxing myself.
Hi to everyone else! I'll be back later to report how long he slept for lol :rolleyes:
xox
Ah Holly :hug: L sounds like hard work atm. I really think you'll feel like you have a different baby once his nose and breathing have been sorted out. I hope he stays asleep for you today!
Thanks for all your sleep replies girls. I guess they're all really different huh?
AJP - J is usually getting tired by 60-75mins awake too although like Shell said, if he's had a big long sleep then he can go for longer. Also, if we're out and about and he has a changing view of the world, he will stay awake for a really really long time (like 3-4hours :o ) without getting upset. He's such a rubberneck! He's got to check everything out. The minute we're back in a familiar environment like the car or home, he cracks it big time!
Shell - Sorry you guys are having a rough time. Toddler-hood sounds hard on everybody!
Det - wonder whats going on with boof? Hope he's not unwell darl.
AFM - Bought myself a new breastfeeding chair yesterday. It was floor stock so got it for a bargain price and it's a recliner thingy. So much better than the other chair I was using for night feeds!
Buggar he's awake again!
kaz - yay on thechair purchase.
Holly - You really sound like you ar still doing it tough. I can't complain - Emilia really isn't that bad, but compared to J she is much worse. J slept right through 7 to 7 at 12 weeks, and that never really changed. He never has had a night feed since. He also did 2 good day sleeps of 2 hours each, so E is much different. I think part of it is that i am busy with J so I don't have as much time to "work" on getting her into such a good routine.
Did anyone brave the the toy sales??
Meg - 7 to 7 at 12 weeks :o Wow!!
Ok - I have decided to follow the advice posted by Ali re: not getting them up out of bed until they are due for the next feed. So, I've just spent the last hour settling J back to sleep. :o I'm probably speaking too soon cause we've had a couple of false starts already where I thought he was asleep but he was actually only pretending for 5 mins but :crossfingers: he's asleep properly now.
Yeah I try resettle but usually I can tell if she is happy and smiling I know she won't go back if she is crying then I'll give it 20 mins roughly to resettle and if doesn't work I get her up.
I was thinking about how when Ash gave up day sleeps and altho it was bad cause didn't give me break in a way it was good cause no settling, no having to be home by certain time so she could sleep.
Gosh you girls talk so much :lol:
Miss J doesn't really have a daytime routine although she generally wakes between 6.30 - 7.30am depending on when DD1 wakes up and comes into our room and makes noise! She is normally back in bed for her nap about 9am then the rest of the day is determined by how long she sleeps and he feeds fit around that. Then at the end of the day I make sure she is awake by 5pm from her last nap otherwise she won't go to sleep at bed time. Then we go into the bedtime routine.
AJP - Miss J can be awake for 60-120 mins at the moment depending on what's happing. If she is happy and being entertained she can go to about 2hours before cracking it!
Pinny - I don't burp Miss J at night either and it doesn't seem to bother her at all.
Holly - hope L is going ok on his increased medication. Fingers crossed he had a good sleep for you!
Megie - J sounds like he was a great sleeper. I didn't brave the toy sales but I didn't see anything in the catalogues that really tempted me.
Kaz - woohoo on the new chair!!
AFM - nothing much happening here. I am going well on WW - lost 3.25kg so far. I think I will just be having a bit of a cruisey week at home this week.
Ok - all that effort settling bought me a whole 20 mins of sleep :( Will continue to persevere with it for the rest of the week and see what happens. He's due for a feed now anyway (in that it's been over 3 hours since the last one).
Nai - I think Jacob and Miss J are on the same channel with their day routine! whoohoo on the weight loss! Well done. I have not been following it lately at all :( I should get back into counting points again.
Well he had his first sleep for the day at 11:35am, woke 45mins later at 12:20pm...then suprisingly fell asleep again after a big whinge at 2:00pm, woke 50mins later at 2:50pm, fed him, he did a big poo and now DP has him. Pretty good, I'm happy with that. So he's been awake for about an hour now and I will be very suprised if he does another sleep before dinner. I expect him to be awake til about 7-8pm when I'll start really trying to get him down! Maybe he's being over-stimulated...I should try and put him down a lot sooner but I run out of patience trying to settle him when he thinks it's party time :rolleyes: Any ideas on how to get him sleepy other than feeding him??
Megie, I can't believe J slept from 7-7 at 12 weeks! Very impressive! I am hanging onto hope that if we have another bub, it will be a sleeper!
Kaz, yay on the good buy!
Nai, woohoo on weight loss!
Shell, for some reason when L wakes I can never resettle him - crying or smiling, he just wants to be picked up! Maybe I should do what you do and just persevere for 15-20mins and then give up lol.
Anyway, got 2 mums and their bubs coming around to my place tomorrow...better clean up a bit, this place is so embarrassing, looks like a creche with toys and sh*t everywhere! xox
Hi all
Sorry for being MIA, it seems like every time I think to get out the laptop Isabel wakes up, I'm too tired or the internet is broken/DH has the computer. How do you all get the time??
Fair bit been going on. We went to sleep school last Monday (so its been over a week since I posted, oops :redface: ) where I didn't learn terribly much theoretically - I think I am educated too well by BB! But what I did learn is that I *can* resettle DD and that I *should* be trying.
When we were there I managed to get her to sleep more than 40 mins twice and both times after that she was rubbing eyes within 45mins of being awake. So I think I have a very tired bub on my hands.
Since then have been trying to get her into more of a routine, which should go like this:
7am - wake and feed, play time
9am - down for sleep
11am - wake and feed, play time
1pm - down for sleep
3pm - wake and feed, play
4.30ish - nap (45mins)
5.15ish - wake and quiet play, then bath
6.30pm - last feed
7pm - bed
It is nothing like that however. She generally wakes around 7am and we is ready for sleep by about 8.45am. The mornings are better and I have had some success in resettling between naps but afternoons are terrible and really varied. This afternoon she slept for 1.25hrs without resettling and then cracked it when I tried to resettle. She was still tired but lost the plot. Since then she's been feral - grizzly, screaming, all the above. Sigh!
She's asleep now which I'm sure breaks all the "don't give them a sleep after 5pm" rules. Whatever!!
Overnight it varies. I'm thinking that I should do a "shell" and throw out all the dummies.
Have read all your posts but running out of time to reply as my minister is coming around at 6pm for a chat about DD's baptism. Will try and catch up soon girls. Sorry for being so selfish. Just feeling so tired and down about it all!