Babies born~September 16th-30th 2010 #1

bugger. I just lost my whole post. I'll try again.

Deana- fuzzy is right, babies don't need water. Someone recommended it to me the other day, so I did some quick research and found out they get enough from BM or FF, and it's not recommended until at least 6 months as it interferes with their ability to absorb nutrients from BM or FF. It looks like you're only giving Blake a small amount, but I wouldn't give him more than that unless your dr ok's it first.

Buzzie - thank you. That night sounds really horrible, sometimes it must be just so hard.. You have done, and are doing, an awesome job. You're right about the way things could be with a partner though, I'm very happy I don't have to put up with someone else needing my attention, especially if they are like the guys I end up with! I had a beautiful moment with Isaac this morning, we had such a bad night but this morning when I woke up my eyes slowly opened and right there in front of me were my bubs beautiful big dark eyes gazing into mine. Like he was waiting for me, or like we were just in tune and woke at the same time. That moment just filled me with so much love, so special.
I can't imagine the hurt you're going through right now Buzzie, big hugs, and feel free to vent. :hug:

fuzzy - good luck with the immunisations.. and how fast are the weeks going!

dory - We had a bad night here too. Isaac would cry whenever he was laid down, every time I put him in bed, turn off the light then get in bed myself he cried, so I'd get up again. Boob soothing worked here too, but it was just like he was snacking and not having meal size feeds so it felt like we were constantly up feeding. We got a couple of hours sleep this morning though, and he had a growly belly and huge loud poos this morning so I think it was a tummy thing which would explain why he needed to be upright a lot. Thanks about uni, but I'll have to see how I go with it. Just hoping I can do it, especially after nights like last night.
I don't think it's too late at all to be organising a ceremony for your angel babies now, it'll never be too late to do things like that to honour them.

Apes - I was told the carpal tunnel would just go away, but if it doesn't there's a procedure they can do to fix it. It's so painful sometimes. Don't beat yourself up about using formula, not everyone can bf and it is incredibly hard those first few days and weeks. Those bargains sound awesome, I love shopping for 2nd hand clothes. Most of the stuff is in great condition, the op shop here has baby clothes for 4 pieces for a dollar, love it!

I'm not going to get anything for Isaac for xmas. I'm not being a meanie, but he's too little to remember it, let alone to know what a present even is. I know his nanna and aunties will buy him something though. But I really think xmas is out of control, so commercialised.. it seems to be all about retailers telling us to buy more stuff. I don't know, I think my views have been changed by spending last xmas in a country where its all about spending the day with family, going to church (I don't, I'm not religious.. and christmas is a religious hoiliday after all), eating, dancing, talking and laughing.. no presents were given. A Tanzanian friend of mine told me that a few years ago his mum worked for a german family who gave presents for christmas, so she thought she'd do it too that year. My friend and his brother and sister all got a new pair of shoes at the end of their beds on christmas morning.. he was so happy when he told me about that. So anyway, I suppose my opinion now is that it's a religious holiday, not about shopping. I'll spend xmas day with my mum, I might even go to church just to be part of the day with people who believe in it, just like I celebrated the end of ramadan last year with a muslim friends family. I know I'll be seen as an awful mama if I do the no presents thing when Isaac is older though so next year I'll probably give in to the pressure and go spending :)
edit: I mean no offence to anyone here about christmas shopping, just got carried away typing! I know how much kids love presents :D

Hi all,

Buzzie - that totally sucks!!! what a ####head! At least you found out now and not in another few years :hug:

Deana - everyone else is spot on. No need for water. Sometimes bubs will need to be feed a bit more frequently in warmer weather though to keep them hydrated. Great to hear that Blake is doing better at night time - amazing that he sleeps so little in the day but it must be soo good to have a solid nights sleep!

Bec - :clap: well done on the uni front. I was considering doing a MBA part time by correspondence but figured that we plan on having more kids fairly soon and I don't see myself having time to scratch myself if I have a toddler and baby so would not get it finished. I am sure you will do a great job (I also reckon kids with parents that have a life are better off anyway because it is not always about them). I hear you on the chrissy front. I am just going to wrap a few things I need to get for Pearl anyway and put them under the tree- she will get heaps from everyone else and have no idea what is going on anyway. I am having a debate with DH about one gift though - I want to buy Pearl a nice pearl on a necklace or something to give to her when she is older but he thinks I should just put the cash into a savings account for her and buy her several Pearls when she is older (so sensible but not very romantic!)

Dory - don't worry about the immunisations I am sure HB will be fine. Pearl had a quick winge and I gave her two doses of panadol that night and she slept really well the next day (I have heard some bubs are pretty unsettled afterwards though). Good on you for having a ceremony for your angels I think it is really important to acknoledge and remember them. I am sure how ever you decide to run it will be lovely - maybe just a few close family?? Good luck with the christening I am already fending off DH's family who think Pearl should be christened (not my cup of tea but a great celebration of new life).

Apes - I think you are a superwoman for managing a newborn and a toddler. I am sure Isla is healthy as on the bottle and your household is much more sane for it. I have a good friend here who has 4 kids and she chose to bottlefeed them all, my mum is one of 8 and they were also all bottlefed - there is nothing wrong with formula. DH's family all make a list of what they want and give it to each other - I have just put toys and books on Pearl's list.

Belfie - you go with the litres of EBM! Back when Dory was having probs with supply I was wishing I could give her some - what a precious gift and good on you for giving it. I hope X (and his dad!) have recovered - how scary for you all!!! Yep warming the boobs helps - I now wear breat pads and breast warmers - what a great look lol!

Wite, fuzzy - hi!!

Kirsten - How are you going? How is the therapy going? I hope you are dealing with stuff and moving forward (to quote our PM!)

AFM - still battling the nipplevasospasm here. Some days I think it is improving and other days I am flat again - it doesn't help that the medication makes me tired as well as nauseas and headachy! I spoke to the LC again today (and paid her $120) and she tried to explain getting Pearl to latch properly with her bubble palate. It is hard on the phone though and I reckon if theings have not improved significantly by next week I will fly to Adelaide for a proper consult. The cracks in my nipples are getting better and I am now taking 2X panadol with 2X nurofen at night when I feed out of the 'bad' boob and that helps me get back to sleep. I am also using a heat bag at night so I am learning to manage the pain better which is good. I feel like my life has been a bit on hold while I deal with this crap so once I have it sorted I can go back to doing other things.

At the mo we are also planning a trip to Fiji/vanuatu early next year (have to get a passport pic of Pearl like you did Fuzzy that should be fun LMAO) and trying to get organised for chrisy by buying stuff online so we have less to organise in Adelaide when we get there.

Buzzie- Thinking of you chicky...Sending msg's the night after your gorgeous girl was born is just f&%#ng low and you really do deserve better. I hope you can move foreward and stay strong and remember us girls are here if it helps to vent/talk/cry- It's not just about all baby stuff with us all now, we have all formed a friendship and bond so we are here unconditionally ok :)

Bec- I LOVE presents...I mean, Christmas IS about family..but nothing says Christmas like spending the afternoon trying to shove as much wrapping paper and cardboard packaging into the recycling bin then wondering where the heck your going to put the rest of your recyclables for the remainder of the week!!!!!!LOL! We are only buying Harlow some clothes for the next 6 months..Definatly not going overboard because she won't even remember it-but I do like looking back on "first christmas" photos..Unfortunatly DP royally screwed Jetts first Christmas so we only got ONE photo..lol!

Hi guys,

Dory - I think our bubs are in tune with eachother. i read your posts and its like you are writing about Chloe!

Just a quick one as I can hear her starting to grizzle. She had her shots yesterday morning. Screamed the doctors office down and brought tears to my eyes! Afterwards she promptly went to sleep and was really drowsy until late afternoon when she was really unsettled. Then we had a horror night of her waking every 2 hours. She was obviously in pain as she would kick her little legs and then start a 'pain' cry and wake herself up. Have been giving her panadol which seems to have helped a bit. She also had a bit of a fever yesterday too. I guess just be prepared for a day or two of unsettled behaviour!

Fuzzy - glad you & Chloe have come through it ok. I am surprised at how apprehensive I am about it. I will be glad when it's done. Hope you are both doing better today? OMG - Hannah has been asleep since 11.30am and it's now 4pm. She was awake though between 5am and 11.30am, with only two short cat naps. I even got to sleep for a couple of hours and I haven't been able to do that in ages. But like Fuzzy I can hear Hannah starting to rouse....

Can you believe how quickly the time is going?

i know i cant believe they are 2 months old already!! She is doing a little better today. She just slept for 3 hours. Will see how we go tonight! glad u got a sleep in

buzzie - Im sorry to hear about Rob. You know im always hear to chat with if you need to. Just PM me on BB or FB. Keep your head up babe. I know it’s the hardest thing in the world to go through.


Fuzzy /Bec– The midwife told me that water is ok for Blake now. Hmmm now you have me worried.

Dory – That is just beautiful having plaques made up for your little angels. Maybe I should do the same. I still think about my little angels every day. I know they are close to me though. Awe its brought a tear to my eye.

Well Just when I thought Blake is going to start sleeping through the night, he has gone back to his routine of waking up at 3:30am for a bottle. It just annoys me that time as I feed him, change him and nurse him until I see his eyes starting to drift off and by the time I get to sleep DP’s alarm goes off half an hour later and as soon as I hear that alarm, I’m awake totally.

I start my mothers group tomorrow, so excited and poor Blake gets his immunisations on Friday. I have to get DP to take him, I just wont be able to stand seeing him cry when he has his needles.

I hope everyone is well

chuckie - i meant to say yesterday - how are u going? It sounds pretty tough for you ATM. Is it getting better? Goodluck with the passport photo..

Deana - i start mothers group today too! hope there are some nice people there.

In for a hot spell here with the next three days over 35! oh well its preparation for Bali. 3 weeks until we go!

Hi girls, thankyou for all your comments. I've managed to eat my first meal since Saturday today so I'm a little more functional - for now. Robs SIL is having the kids on sat for us and we are going to have a make or break conversation. So will be interesting after that. He says he doesn't want to loose me and his family and thinks he needs help! (ain't kidding there) but his family are furious at him so his brother is gonna have a man to man before Saturday and give him the what for!

Anyways Been reading ur posts and just wanted to say hope the mothers groups go well today for those starting.
And the only post I remember Deana - I wouldn't give water to a little bub either. You start that when you start solids normally - think Ash was 9ish months when he had water but I just gave him a bottle to play with didn't expect him to drink it! :)

Hope everyones got lovely weather like melb does today beautiful sunny 24 - so needed it today!!

Hi ladies,
I thought I would pop my head in and introduce myself; I'm Angie from Brisbane. My hubby and I had our first little bubba on 20 September - a perfect little girl Penelope (Penny) Rose. She is the absolute light of my life xo
Since I'm only new at this parenting gig I might not be any help to anyone for advise but would love some like-minded online buddies
Hope everyone and their bubbas are happy and healthy!
Angie

Hi Angie!

A few of us are also first timers so don't worry about it.
Feel free to jump in anytime! I'm just north of Brisbane up in Caboolture.

I love your daughter's name. My little girl is 8 weeks old tomorrow (good grief that's flown!). Her name is Charlotte Alyson.

She's going for her 2 months immunisations on Friday. Are you immunising Penny? Has she had her shots yet? How'd she go?

Hi to everyone else! Lottie is going well, becoming a lot more demanding with her feeds so I haven't really had much time to myself lately (hence my lack of posting)
I'm really nervous about her getting her shots on Friday. The Dr has reccommended that I give her some Infant Panadol before we go in. However I've got an aquaintance who's daughter is 4 months old and her Dr told her not to take Panadol beforehand as it effects the effectiveness of the serums. What to you guys think?

Welcome Angie :) Congratulations on your baby girl! Your bub has an awesome birthday (it's mine too)! Lovely name. I'm new at the whole parenting thing too, so having this forum is great to ask anything, and also when your wondering 'is that normal for babies?' it helps to read that others are going through the same things.

Buzzie - good luck for Saturday, I hope Robs brother can make him see sense before then. :hug:

fuzzy - that hot weather is awful. We had similar weather here last week, Isaac was so unsettled until I put the a/c on. At least in Bali you'll be able to just cool off in the water. hmmm how nice would that be.. :) How did your mothers group go?

Deana - I agree, sleep deprivation sucks. Lucky you getting a few good nights sleep though!

Chuckie - the good thing about studying by correspondence through open uni us that you get 10 years to finish. Not that I plan to take that long, but it's good to know that if it turns out to be too much for me to take on now, I can just put it on hold until I'm more ready.
I love your pearl for Pearl gift idea! I reckon go for it, who knows what the pearl market will do in the next few years.. all the oysters could be wiped out, then all the pearls will cost heaps more, so it could be an investment haha! Seriously though, it'll be so lovely to have something beautiful put away for when she's older.

Wite - lol at the recycling, and I agree photos of everyone at christmas are pretty special to look back on.

We are doing well here, Isaac is exactly 6 weeks old in 25 minutes!

Hi to everyone else :)

Angie - welcome & congrats on your little bubba!

Buzzie - :hug::hug::hug: oh you poor thing going through this. GL on Sat, I hope you can get some resolution.

Bec - Isaac is just over 6 weeks old now ;)

We've got to get our immunisations sorted, I haven't worked out which date works best for me - need to get to that. Annika is 2 months old exactly today, wow. She's been like a different baby the last week, soooo much more settled, it's been bliss. I was even able to put her down in her bassinet AWAKE the other day, and she lay there happily grinning before she drifted off to sleep. She slept for 3 hours and I only had to re-settle her once. I was in shock!! I swear someone had swapped babies on me. And I KNOW she woke up sometimes then re-settled herself again. It's a nice change from the previous weeks of needing to be upright/on me all the time! Apart from that I woke up with a hideous temp this morning, couldnt' stop shivering for 30 mins after our early feed, then felt very funky indeed. Was worried it was mastitis but can't find any blocked/sore spots... so dunno. Have been trying to keep my temp down & rest. I had two naps today and I'm still stuffed (but don't feel as bad luckily)!

Hey Angie and welcome. Congrats on your little bundle of joy.
A lot of us here are first time mummies to (I am), but we would still love to hear your opinions so feel free to open up. We are one big family here.


Buzzie – I hope the talk for you both on Saturday helps you both. Ill keep my fingers crossed. If he decides to stay, make sure you put your foot down and tell him this is how its gonna be, don’t let him hurt you anymore.

Pantha – Blake is going for his 2 month immunisations on Friday to. Im trying to make DP take him though, as I just wont be able to stand seeing Blake cry. I don’t think DP can though as he has way to much work on. NNNOOOOOOOOOOO

Bec – You bring a smile to my face when I see you counting down the exact minutes of Isaacs’s age lol. So cute.

Well I took Blake off the Mylanta last Friday, as he was screaming all day Thursday and Friday and I though maybe that it might be giving him an upset tummy, but now he has gone back to projectile vomiting again. He woke up at 2am last night screaming, I feed him and he vomited everywhere. I washed the bed sheets and cover yesterday to so I now need to wash them again today. DP and I had to get up and change to the spare bed as our bed stunk of vomit. Im going to get Blake’s script filled today for zantec. Does anyone know any info on this? I don’t want to put him back on Mylanta incase it was making him sick.

Deana - there's a colic & reflux thread over in the bubbies medication section on here that you might find handy. I've heard that Zantac can be good, but they can be prone to outgrowing their dose. I know that mylanta basically treats the symptoms at the time, whereas zantac (or losec - which Annika is on) basically suppresses the acid in the stomach so it doesn't burn them when they spit up. We got quite a bit of improvement after 2-3 days on losec, then even more after 2 weeks - apparently that's cos her esophagus would have been a bit raw from all the spits, and it takes a little while to heal. Probably the mylanta would help short-term with that kinda irritation. Otherwise, are you doing all the behavioural stuff? Keep him upright for 20-30 mins after feeds, always prop him up a bit (bassinet/cot head elevated, cushion for changes etc)? I found that help cut down the amount of spewing cos we never lie her fully flat anymore. The only exception is tummy time, but even for reflux bubs it actually helps cos of the way the tummy sits, they're less likely to spew flat on their tummy than flat on their backs. If you try zantac for a few weeks but don't see much improvement, I'd suggest asking about losec.

thanks belfie, How long do I keep giving Blake the Zantec though? How do I know when his reflux is gone? Im hoping the zantec works. I have done al the behavioural stuff as you said e.g. prop up his bassinet, waiting half an hour after a feed before putting him down etc. Has Annika still got bad reflux or has it helped? also how long did it take?

Hi Angie!
Congrats no the birth of Penelope Rose- what a stunning name! Throughout my pregnancy with Harlow my sister in Law nicknamed my baby "Penelope" so I really grew to love the name :)
Look foreward to hearing all about your lil girl & sharing our stories and babies growth with you :)

Angie - congratulations on the birth of your daughter Penelope Rose.... as everyone else has said - you chose a very beautiful name. Welcome to the thread here too. I am a first timer, and its great to bounce ideas around, cry and laugh and share the wonderful experiences of parenting with each other. The mums who are more experienced are not condescending at all and are really helpful. So, I too am looking forward to sharing this journey with you and Penny.

Buzzie - GL -be strong and don't accept anything you don't want to! Glad you got something to eat too - it helps, even though when your stomach is churning eating is the last thing on your mind. Ultimately Rob has to convince you he is committed to you and Isabella. That's something only you can assess but I reckon it's an absolutely important he does go to counselling and that you set out for him ( either now or with the help of a counsellor) what you will and won't accept and make it very clear to him ( and you ) what the consequences are if they are crossed. You are strong and beautiful woman and don't deserve second best at all.

Fuzzy - when do you leave for Bali?

Deana - oh dear - poor Blake and poor you and DP. I've heard a lot of good stuff about losec. I don't know about zantac. Sorry - but I just hope something improves for you soon.

Belife - FEEL BETTER SOON and look after yourself. With Annika now settling more easily -OMG - you sound just like me! It is like you've got a different baby isn't it? It is so so much better, well, parenting becomes pretty exciting rather than just so demanding and exhausting all the time. I am loving my new Hannah. Although last night was tough, but more about that later. Oh and yay to you - the first to put up a smiling pic. Love the pic of Annika! She is just gorgeous.

Bec - Happy 6 weeks to Isaac for yesterday!

Pantha - Hannah had her vaccinations yesterday. I went by myself ( well Hannah was there too - and I forgot my baby health record book - duh! but they gave me a card to put in it and next time they will fill it out for me). It was ok. There is one taken orally and then one jab in each leg. Poor Hannah screamed the place down. She went ultra bright red and just bellowed. It took about 10 mins to calm her and I BF'ed her. You have to stay around for about 15 mins after the jab ( which I didn't know) in case there is a reaction. Hannah was ok for about an hour after the jab, but then she just started cry and was pretty much inconsolable for 6 hours. There were brief periods where she wasn't crying, but she was just a really unhappy and out of sorts little soul last night. She finally went to sleep between 9pm and 10pm and then she did sleep well - woke at 3 and at 6 for brief feeds. But at 6 she was her smiley content self. Phew!

I gave her infant panadol about 1 hour before the jab, and then another 2 doses. I gave her 0.6ml and left it 5 hours between doses. I can't say whether it made any difference to her, but at least it made me feel better knowing I had done everything I could to help her. I also put a cool washer on the injection site, and that seemed to help too. I was told it was ok to give panadol after and it wouldn't interfere with the way the vaccination worked, but it's more a concern from some the medical profession that parents are over using panadol.

In all honesty, it was really hard last night, knowing that I had caused her to be in such discomfort. She was so out of sorts. But I kept saying, a few hours or days of this, is better than the alternatives. But it was easy to comfort her because I expected her to be out of sorts. Poor wee mite. But today is a new day!

So good luck. Lots of other babies there having their 8 week vaccinations didn't scream the place down, and were really sleepy afterwards. There were about 9 others there and Hannah was the loudest and the loudest for longest. So, with any luck, you'll get a quiet sleepy baby Lotte.

Chuckie - I am with Bec - love the idea of a pearl for Pearl.

I have my first new parents group meeting this arvo and was told not to bring the pram b/c there's not enough room. OMG how am I going to lug a 5.2 ( possibly more) kg baby around without a pram? Guess the carrier will have to do and I'll take a blanket for Hannah to lie on if she's not in the carrier. Thing is she only likes the carrier usually if I am moving, if I am still, she hates it.

Has anyone's cycle come back yet? I am waiting for mine. With the other babies, my cycle came back straight away, but then I wasn't breast feeding them. Just curious. Oh and not sure if I told you? The drought has broken here, and we DTD, a second time....

Oh and some other exciting news - Hannah has actually gone to sleep in her cot, and settled with only the basic settling routine. I am trialling some day time sleep in her cot. The other day I put her down and she didn't go to sleep, but at least she got used to laying there.

Hello to everyone who's not posting - thinking of you and missing you - Connie, Catherine, Apes.