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  1. #1
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    Aug 2006
    ex-Melbourne girl in Hong Kong
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    Jasp - your point is what everyone needs to keep in mind in this thread. It's not about ethnic names, nor unusual names, it's about the phonemic mangling of what would otherwise be a totally regular and totally nice name.

    Saram - I love both of your kids names. My Friend in Sweden named her son Xander about 4 years ago so that one's gone for us! Ariya is very similar to another Indian name, Aaliya, which was one of my best friends in schools name. I've always loved the Sanskrit name Priya for a girl which means 'beloved'. I also love the Slavic name Milan for a boy (emphasis is on MI-lan) but too many people would think I'm naming him after the Italian city!

    Maz - I never said you were a dreadful person. There's just the unfortunate fact that many people will judge a person by their name on a resume and put it in the 'NO' pile because they sound 'socially' less suited to the job' My dad had a woman come to interview for the position of dental nurse who had decent qualifications but whose name was Sindy. The fact that her name made her sound like a stripper rather than a medical professional precluded her from employment in a well paid job in a prestigious clinic. Yes, my dad is a fuddy-duddy and very conservative but so are many employers offering worthwhile jobs.

    Someone I know named her son Maleek because his father was African. He's now 15 years old and it very well may have the same effect on him in this increasingly Islamophobic society.

    I went to Uni with someone who changed her name as soon as she legally could because she wanted to get away from the dippy-hippy name her lovechild parents gave her. She said she always dreamed of a regular name.

    In Denmark there is a list of 12,000 approved names you can call your child which includes a comprehensive list of ethnic minority names and is not at all racist. It is published for this exact reason; to stop parents claiming too much creative licence and allow the child to have a decent name. If you want a name that's not on the list, you need to petition the authorities and state a valid reason. If that fails, you can make it their middle name but legally they'll have one of the 12,000. This system stops parents giving their kids names like that NZ couple who wanted to call their son '4-real' and I think it's fair enough. It stops the courts getting clogged when parents want to call their kid 'Jeff the stopsign' or 'whalingboat' or whatever they think sounds fun at the time.

    -And Yes, the celeb's can call their kids Tallulah-tuba-monkey, Apple, Prince Michael II....but with wealth comes many freedoms not afforded to you nor me.
    Last edited by expat; July 8th, 2009 at 11:44 PM. : this forum doesn't recognice accents on words.

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    OK, I'm making back to back replies but I saw that a few more popped in whilst I was putting my son down for the night. Lady Z, you reminded me of an article I read on a study showing the tracking of given names in criminality. It was found that proportionate to the name's representation in society, people with unusual names were more likely to be involved in violent crime both as victims and perpetrators. Now the question is which came 1st? Did the kid get a certain upbringing and exposure because of the name, or did the kid get the name because of the upbringing and exposure of the parents?

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    Mar 2004
    Sparta
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    OK, I'm making back to back replies but I saw that a few more popped in whilst I was putting my son down for the night. Lady Z, you reminded me of an article I read on a study showing the tracking of given names in criminality. It was found that proportionate to the name's representation in society, people with unusual names were more likely to be involved in violent crime both as victims and perpetrators. Now the question is which came 1st? Did the kid get a certain upbringing and exposure because of the name, or did the kid get the name because of the upbringing and exposure of the parents?
    I'd also wonder how the study defined an unusual name. Lots of people from minority groups have names that are popular within their culture but rare in the broader community. Cultural, social and economic exclusion tend to push people into crime so it may also be a result of broader social forces as well as upbringing and parenting.

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    Jan 2006
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    On the topic of baby names and socioeconomic status, here is quote some of you might be interested in following up

    In their book ?Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores The Hidden Side Of Everything,? authors Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner claim that baby names ?migrate? through the population from a higher socioeconomic level to a lower one. In their book, they predict the most popular baby names of 2015. (See list below).
    So the names that are popular in "The Age" will soon be appearing in the "Herald-Sun"??

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    Feb 2004
    Melbourne
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    You know what I think is really silly... The fact that people think someone will be given a lesser chance at a job because of something that was beyond their control. It's essentially the same discrimination as for race or sex, you don't choose those & you don't choose you're name either (that is unless you change it later in life).

  6. #6

    Mar 2004
    Sparta
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    On the topic of baby names and socioeconomic status, here is quote some of you might be interested in following up



    So the names that are popular in "The Age" will soon be appearing in the "Herald-Sun"??
    Not really familiar with the Melbourne papers but if The Age is the broadsheet and the Herald-Sun is the tabloid I think that yes, that is the general gist of their argument.
    More than that, the point that they are also making is that many of the factors that influence one's life outcomes are in place long before you are conceived so if you come from a socio-economic group that is likely to call you Cordelia then the chance is that you will have a similar outcome even if your parents do have a fit and cal you Eboniiiiie Raiiiigh instead.

    OMG Divvy you totally cracked me up
    Thank-you

    You know what I think is really silly... The fact that people think someone will be given a lesser chance at a job because of something that was beyond their control. It's essentially the same discrimination as for race or sex, you don't choose those & you don't choose you're name either (that is unless you change it later in life).
    I have to fess up here. When I was hiring a while ago I chucked out a bunch of resumes based on names. I didn't want to hire another staff member who was going to be 'one of the boys' so I chucked all the people who looked like they came from a similar background to the rest of our staff in the no pile. I'm aware that it's not a really nice thing to do but the truth is that when you have over 100 job applications for 1 job you can afford to chuck out resumes based on totally inane and unfair reasons.