cold turkey or not??

[MantaRay]

Hang in there AJP. I think you are doing really well.

[Olive]

no im not cant believe she's giving up her sleeps now, just what i dont need

[Nelle]

Jols, can you pop her in her room/cot/whatever with a book or fave toy? Riv goes in most days, even just with the safety gate done up and his actual door open, with some toys (even if they're noisy), just for some down time. If the door's open so I can monitor him occasionally, I'll even pop a snack in there with him.

If he's tired, he'll sleep, if he's not tired, then at least him and I get a moment of time-out each.

[Olive]

she's just so dam noisy! i really need the peace, but thats not going to happen, banging on the walls etc.... need to get over it dont i

[Nelle]

Put some music on? Music I think makes Riv feel less compelled to make his own, and even if he is making noise, it's only in the background, because I'm listening to my music.