thread: "Gardasil never tested in girls under 15 years old" says whistleblower Diane Harper

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  1. #1
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    Jul 2008
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    Look, I am sure that you have concerns about vaccinations and the potential for reactions. But 5 minutes perusal of that website suggests that much of its content is misleading. Either the author is being deliberately misleading for some reason of their own, or they simply don't understand the material they are writing so strongly about. Either way it's a worry.

    Some starting facts (I am happy to explain any of these in more detail, have done so on other posts in this forum):

    1. The fact that some kids who are vaccinated catch the disease, or even that more kids who are vaccinated catch the disease, doesn't mean that a vaccinated kid is more likely to catch, or to spread the disease. Unvaccinated kids are vastly over-represented in those who catch (suffer complications of, die from, and spread) the diseases. This "reason" is often quoted in support of not-vaccinating, but actually all it means is that many more kids are vaccinated than not. It is not a reason not to vaccinate.

    Look at it this way: if 2.5% of kids (unvaccinated) are the source of 30% of the disease instances (these are figures I saw recently, forget where, about a current measles outbreak in the US), then it's obvious that an unvaccinated kid is much much more at risk of the disease and the consequences of catching it than a vaccinated kid. Still, you can say that "most of the sick kids were vaccinated", but that doesn't change the fact that the unvaccinated kids were more at risk. It's just maths, there is no different way to interpret the data correctly.

    If you choose to not vaccinate your child you are putting them at a much higher risk of catching the disease, and, indeed, of dying from it. That's the simple fact.

    2. On homeopathy, I understand that the London Faculty of Homeopathy, representing the medically qualified homeopaths of the UK, advises parents to vaccinate. Homepathy has its uses. Being a substitute for vaccination is not one of them. Enough said.

    3. On kids being diagnosed with autism, dying of SIDS, etc, after vaccinations. Now, nobody disputes that SIDS is a tragedy. Autism is certainly a difficult situation for a family to deal with. But there is no statistical link between these things and vaccinations. Researchers have been looking for it, and it isn't there. The fact is that, for example, with kids having vaccinations at birth, 2 months, 4 months, and 6 months, ie right through the most dangerous time for SIDS, some babies are going to die of SIDS the day they had their shots. That is a statistical certainty. I am not trying, in any way, to understate the level of tragedy for those families. I too lie awake at night wondering whether my daughter will still be alive in the morning. But I know that if she died after having her vaccinations that would be chance and nothing more. Not the fault of the vaccinations.

    Again: it comes down to understanding the maths. The author of the website you link does not appear to understand it, or is deliberately misleading people as to what it means. Either way, it's not a source of information to trust, when such obvious errors as these are appearing so frequently.

    Please try to make sure that a source of information is actually accurate before recommending it to others to read.

  2. #2
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    Dec 2007
    Victoria
    7,260

    Can we stay on topic here please??
    This is NOT a vaccination debate thread!
    It is supposed to be a discussion on vaccination testing and targetting, not another debate about whether or not to vaccinate your kids


  3. #3
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    Jul 2008
    543

    Can we stay on topic here please??
    This is NOT a vaccination debate thread!
    It is supposed to be a discussion on vaccination testing and targetting, not another debate about whether or not to vaccinate your kids

    Sorry for my part in getting OT.

  4. #4
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    Oct 2007
    Middle Victoria
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    I liked your post, Tenar, but had to 'spread the love'.

    There is a lot of fear around about vaccinations, and many posts provide 'data' on the dangers or effects but don't have references, and can't provide them when asked.

    I have some science background and i have trouble wading through the info, and i feel concern for those without the background who are also trying to work out what is real and what is propaganda (from both sides of the debate).

  5. #5
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    Nov 2009
    3

    Yes, let's stay on the topic. My question is still unanswered. Has anyone any source for trials conducted here in Australia testing Gardasil or Cervarix on girls or young women? I wasn't accurate before; Cervarix is available here (Victorian Health is offering it) as well as Gardasil.

    The difference between the two is the types of HPV they claim to immunize against. Gardasil claims it works against 4 types of HPVs; while Cervarix claims it works against 2 types. Gardasil claims it works against the virus that causes genital warts; while Cervrix doesn't make this claim.

    Let us also understand that when we say either one of these vaccines "prevents cervical cancer", we are incorrect. (And giving Big Pharma free advertising.) Gardasil and Cervarix do not prevent cancer. They claim to prevent the virus that can potentially lead to cancer. If either one prevented cancer, then the manufacturers would not be telling us to keep on getting Pap tests.

    Have you checked out Ian's Voice Home Page

    For those of you about to have a baby in a hospital, you would be wise to have a look at the photos of this baby boy who lived for 47 days. He aspirated meuconium at birth, which is not uncommon. Days later he was given the all-clear to go home and he was given the Hep B jab. He never went home. His parents left the hospital 47 days after his birth without their newborn son. The photos his mother took tell the story like no words can. Find the photo of his thigh where the needle was stuck. It is gruesome.

    They tell us to trust our "mother's instinct".

    You have the right to refuse the Hep B shot for your newborn. Educate yourself before you vaccinate your baby. Then make your choice, knowing that you have done so from a position of knowledge.

    The law in Australia allows us the right to choose vaccination or to choose not to vaccinate. Let us work to keep that choice.

    Here are 2 more websites to check out: Medical Voices Vaccine Information Center

    Welcome to VISA Investigate Before You Vaccinate


    Knowledge is POWER.

  6. #6
    Registered User

    Nov 2009
    3

    Hello again,

    The author of Thinktwice.com has spent more than 20 years researching the vaccination debate. Don't dismiss his lifetime's work because you disagree with his view and certainly not until you have read his research or conducted your own. This is a forum that advocates educating yourself so that you can make a decision from a position of knowledge, because knowledge is POWER. Use the internet to gain knowledge. ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions is a good place to start.

    If you need more info to study, check out this book from your local library; "The Truth About Vaccines" by Dr. Richard Halvorsen. He is a family GP in England who does vaccinate in his practice. (ISBN 9781903933923)

    Happy reading!