I wanna know a few things :D Please....

[NaeNae]

Polio (inactivated poliomyelitis IPV)
- Polio is eradicated in Australia. While there is a small risk of someone in Australia getting Polio, it is statistically less than 0%.
- The majority of Polio cases today are caused by the vaccine itself.



Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR)
- Measles is extremely rare and in most cases relatively harmless.
- Mumps and rubella are both mild and rare.
- The main concern with this vaccine remains it's potential link to autism. Whilst it was believed that the link between the two had been disproven, two recent studies have once again potentially linked the two.

PLease correct me if I am wrong (happy to be corrected ) But wasn't the MMR and the "potenital link to autism" debunked fairly recently?? I have this vague recollection on seeing something like this in the 6-12 months?

My brother had the measles and I had the mumps when we were kids is it less common therefore more rare these days?? Wouldn't the vax have helped if that was actually the case ?? Same with the polio ?? I have no idea about the diseases so I am just asking

I was also under the impression that the chickenpox vax was like an "original strain" so it does differ slightly to the one that is passed from human to human (which is why if the vax causes spots, the spots are NOT contagious) therefore would lessen the severity of the disease if it were caught H 2 H if that makes sense??

I also wonder about the stats regarding "side affects" they are not really differentialing between a little bump and a slight temp irritablilty etc and the full blown side affects ITMS??

Not wanting to start anything I am just really curious is all and happy to be corrected if my understand is WAY off

Nae x x

[~ Mylitta ~]

So flaming going to happen hun. Your answering a specific question with your own facts ;D

I wasn't answering with my own facts. That's why I've tried to put as many references as I could. Nothing I've written there has come out of my own head

The Autism studies were actually false and made up, the articles were pulled and since then the 'founder' has admitted that these studies were false.

The autism study by Dr Wakefield was the study that was full of inaccuracies and basically had so many problems with it's "study" (I can't even fathom calling it a real study), that I can't believe it was ever published in the first place. While it's definitely been found that his study was full of holes, that doesn't mean that his theory was actually wrong, it just means that he didn't prove or disprove it.

Mylitta do you mind me asking why are they "high risk"

We have a couple of reasons for being extra cautious. Both my sister and I had pretty severe reactions to the whooping cough vaccine as babies. I almost died when I went into respiratory distress, and my sister has a rare lifelong form of eczema that has been potentially attributed to an immune response brought on by the vaccine. Whilst the vaccine has been changed since back when we had it, we've been told there is no way to know if the reactions were definitely to the constituents in the vaccine carrier, to the vaccine itself, or to the specific immune response. And as it's been proven that vaccination reactions are more likely if a family member has also had a reaction we are being cautious.

The main reason though is due to the potential link to autism. Both sides of our family has an extremely strong history of children on the autistic spectrum, especially in boys (probably around 80% of male siblings and cousins affected to some degree). After seeing a geneticist and a psychiatrist that specialises in children on the autistic spectrum and vaccinations, we have decided that the potential risk is too great for us to feel comfortable given the vaccines at this stage. Most of the studies surrounding vaccination and autism focus on the MMR vaccine, yet a more recent study has pointed to link more generally toward vaccines in general. It basically possible causes of autism and included autism caused by encephalitis, that was initially caused by a vaccine reaction (not specifically the MMR). (Helen V. Ratajcza. Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes—A review. Journal of Immunotoxicology, 2011; 8(1): 68–79)

PLease correct me if I am wrong (happy to be corrected ) But wasn't the MMR and the "potenital link to autism" debunked fairly recently?? I have this vague recollection on seeing something like this in the 6-12 months?

The two journal studies I've read still potentially linking vaccines and autism were both published in 2011, so are both very new. I also have a 3rd article on my computer (that I am still reading as it's 52 pages long, lol) was also written this year and is basically an analysis in which they review and critique the analytical epidemiology studies most commonly cited as evidence against the autism-vaccine hypothesis.
I really do wish that the potential link would either be confirmed or debunked because it would certainly make the decision of whether to vaccinate or not a lot easier!

My brother had the measles and I had the mumps when we were kids is it less common therefore more rare these days?? Wouldn't the vax have helped if that was actually the case ?? Same with the polio ?? I have no idea about the diseases so I am just asking

I was also under the impression that the chickenpox vax was like an "original strain" so it does differ slightly to the one that is passed from human to human (which is why if the vax causes spots, the spots are NOT contagious) therefore would lessen the severity of the disease if it were caught H 2 H if that makes sense??

It's often cited that once you have a vaccination against something, that if you still manage to catch the disease it can be a milder form of the disease. This can certainly be true. What is less often mentioned is that someone who has been vaccinated against a disease and then catches the disease is more likely to have an "atypical" form of the disease than someone who was never vaccinated against it. It's still rare to have that sort of reaction, but they can be much more devastating than the "normal" course of the disease.
With Polio, Australia has zero cases of polio since it was declared "polio-free" by the world health organisation in 2000. The risk of one of my kids getting polio is statistically 0%, whereas the risk of a reaction to the vaccine is higher than 0%. It makes more sense to me to get the polio vaccine later in life if you are ever planning on visiting a country that still has polio, rather than giving it repeatedly to a baby with an immature immune system.

I hope I'm making sense. Vaccination is such a complex subject.

And again I want to point out that I'm not actually against vaccinations, lol. I DO wish that there were stricter studies done on vaccines before they are used on the public, and I definitely think that the efficacy and safety of vaccines should be greatly improved, AND I think that there should be more options when it comes to being able to choose which vaccines to give and not to give (rather than limiting it to a 5in1 or 6in1), but in general the theory behind a vaccine is certainly a good one and I don't doubt that they do a lot of good.

[~ Mylitta ~]

I also wonder about the stats regarding "side affects" they are not really differentialing between a little bump and a slight temp irritablilty etc and the full blown side affects ITMS??

Oops, missed this bit That's definitely something that I wonder about too! It's very difficult to find numbers on what rate certain reactions have with particular vaccines. The reason it was so hard for us to make a decision on whether to vaccinate the kids or not was because we couldn't find anyone that could give us hard facts as to whether the risk of vaccinating was or was not outweighed by the risks of not-vaccinating for our kids in particular. And the two "specialists" we saw both recommended caution with vaccines, and one outright said he did not recommend the MMR for our kids. Once my kids reach the age past which regressive-autism is a risk, then we will re-evaluate what vaccines to give. It's a lose-lose situation though. We would hate ourselves is either of the kids caught something really bad that we could have vaccinated against, but by the same token, we would hate ourselves if we vaccinated and then the kids developed regressive autism. With one son already pretty severely effected on the autistic spectrum (my eldest stepson) we have first hand experience at the devastation it can cause

[beansbeans!]

I agree mylitta, my biggest problem with vaccinations is the hard facts for the pros and cons. I really wish the 'real' stats, pros and cons were put forward to the world honestly. And until thats done, I find that I am unable to trust the available data whole-heartedly.