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  1. #1
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    Apr 2009
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    It's important to go to the official sources media-if you really value the health of your little ones at least find credible and complete information as below from bothe the TGA and The Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer

    Western Australian reports of adverse reactions to 2010 seasonal flu vaccine in children
    23 April 2010 Therpeutic Goods Administration

    The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) is investigating reports of an increase in adverse events to the seasonal flu vaccine in Western Australia (WA), where all children 6 months to 5 years have been offered a free seasonal flu vaccination.
    The pattern and rate of adverse reactions reported by WA have not been seen in other states, and the TGA will test batches of the vaccine used in WA for any abnormalities.
    Other states and territories seasonal flu vaccination programs have focused on individuals in high risk categories.
    The TGA is investigating the WA data to determine whether the adverse reactions reported in WA relate to the vaccine, or the WA program delivery.
    However, until it can be established what is causing the rise in adverse events in some children in WA, Australia's Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jim Bishop, is writing to all immunisation providers to advise them not to administer seasonal flu vaccinations to all children 5 years of age and under until further notice.
    What the TGA is doing

    The TGA has contacted the manufacturer, CSL Ltd, to confirm which batches of vaccine were used in WA and is obtaining samples of the vaccine to test in its laboratories to determine if there are any abnormalities in the batches of vaccine used in WA.
    States and territories have been asked to report any adverse events related to seasonal influenza urgently to the Therapeutic Goods Administration. States and territories have also been asked to provide details on batch numbers and type of vaccine.
    The TGA is urgently convening an expert scientific advisory panel to review the information from WA, and is seeking additional information from the manufacturer, CSL Ltd, and from regulatory colleagues internationally.
    What parents and caregivers should do

    If you have concerns because your child has received the seasonal flu vaccination please contact your doctor. Reported adverse reactions include fever, vomiting and febrile convulsions.
    Whether there are any implications for swine flu vaccine

    At this stage there do not appear to be implications for the swine flu vaccine Panvax®. Professor Bishop's advice relates only to the seasonal flu vaccination program for children 5 years of age and under.
    It is safe to have the Panvax® H1N1 vaccine, even if you are already immune to the virus, just as it is safe to get a seasonal influenza vaccination if you've already had seasonal flu.
    The TGA's assessment and the advice of its expert committees is that Panvax® and Panvax H1N1 Junior® are safe, effective vaccine for prevention of the H1N1 influenza.
    Swine flu vaccination as alternative to seasonal flu vaccine




    Panvax® H1N1 vaccine only protects you against the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza virus. People can still be infected by seasonal influenza viruses circulating in the community. To reduce the risk of influenza during Australia's winter months people should still get the seasonal flu vaccine, particularly if they are in a high risk seasonal flu group. High risk categories include:
    • People aged 65 years and over;
    • Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people aged 15 years and over; and
    • Pregnant women.

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    CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER


    Professor Jim Bishop AO


    MD MMed MBBS FRACP FRCPA
    Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer


    MEDIA STATEMENT



    23rd April 2010


    Seasonal Flu Vaccine and young children



    Due to a spike in the numbers of young children in Western Australia experiencing feverand convulsions following seasonal flu vaccinations, Australia's Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jim Bishop, is advising all GPs and immunisation providers to stop giving seasonal flu vaccine to children five years and under until a cause is established.
    "This is a precautionary measure while the matter is being urgently investigated by health experts and the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)," Professor Bishop said.



    "Until it can be established what factors are causing the apparent rise in fevers in some children in WA, I am writing to all immunisation providers to advise them not to administer seasonal flu vaccine to all children 5 years of age and under until further notice."



    Professor Bishop said the medicines regulator, the TGA, is investigating the WA data as a matter of urgency to determine whether the adverse reactions reported in WA relate to the vaccine, or whether factors related to the program delivery in WA are involved.



    "The TGA has contacted CSL Ltd to confirm which batches of vaccine were used in WA and is obtaining samples of the vaccine to test in its laboratories to determine if there are any abnormalities in the batches of vaccine used in WA," Professor Bishop said.



    "The TGA will be urgently reviewing data from WA Health about the adverse events and the vaccine distribution data to see if the rates of fever and convulsions are truly higher than expected. The TGA is convening an expert scientific advisory panel to review the
    information from WA, and is seeking additional information from the manufacturer, CSL Ltd, and from regulatory colleagues internationally.
    "TGA will test batches of the vaccine used in WA for any abnormalities.
    "The Department of Health and Ageing has sought advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation. which is currently reviewing the available information on cases and the Department will be seeking its further advice. States and territories have been asked to report any adverse events related to seasonal influenza urgently to the Therapeutic Goods Administration. States and territories have also been asked to provide details on batch numbers and type of vaccine."



    Professor Bishop said people over five years of age can continue to be vaccinated against seasonal influenza as per usual. Flu can be a serious disease especially in people who are in high risk categories including people aged 65 years and over; all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people aged 15 years and over and pregnant women.
    The Commonwealth Government provides the seasonal flu vaccine free for these at risk groups.
    Professor Bishop said that there do not appear to be implications for the swine flu vaccine Panvax®.



    "It is safe to have the swine flu vaccine. The TGA’s assessment of clinical trials and the advice of its expert committees is that Panvax® is a safe, effective vaccine for prevention of the H1N1 influenza.
    “It is expected that the dominant flu this winter season will be swine flu and the specific
    Panvax vaccine is available free for all Australians.”



    Media contact: Kay McNiece, 0412 132 585


  2. #2
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    Jun 2006
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    Dear oh Dear

    Yep - they are investigating the batch that has been rolled out here in WA, and the response by the medical community has been swift. Sorry, but I don't find anything particularly commendable about that. Would we expect anything less?

    And as for the vaccine not being tested, there really is no way to safely test a vaccine on a child. Who is going to subject their child in an experiment to check if a vaccine is safe? We don't know what the effects are going to be until the vaccine has been administered - and by that point it may be too late for some. Someone has to be the guinea pig. Thanks to the medical community and media push, it is a large portion of the Australian public.

    Received a call from my BIL last night who was concerned for my little ones.... turns out the parents of the little 1 yr old girl in a coma are good friends of theirs. Understandably they are really shaken up about this. The girl suffered high temp, vomiting, with seizures before going into the coma. Perfectly healthy girl prior to receiving the vax. Things are not looking good for her but we are keeping her in our prayers and would appreciate any of you out there to do the same.

    XX

  3. #3
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    Mar 2010
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    And as for the vaccine not being tested, there really is no way to safely test a vaccine on a child. Who is going to subject their child in an experiment to check if a vaccine is safe? We don't know what the effects are going to be until the vaccine has been administered - and by that point it may be too late for some. Someone has to be the guinea pig. Thanks to the medical community and media push, it is a large portion of the Australian public.


    XX
    but are the parents aware of the fact that it is a new vaccine which has not been used on kids? Or is that bit kept quiet?

  4. #4
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    Dec 2005
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    it must be something to do with the batch? havnet children been recieveing the seasonal flu shot for years? that one has been on the market for a while (with new strains added in each year).??

    as for the swine flu one the thing that worries me is.. they are saying its safe for now.. but thats just because there hasnt been any reported side effects as went on in WA... but thats not to say it wont happen in the future..??

    my kids are due for their second swine flu shot in a couple weeks and i am wondering if i should risk it. they were fine with the first one though.

  5. #5
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    Jan 2010
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    When I stated about the testing of the vaccine I understand that it cant be tested on children but all vaccines/medications for that matter go through extensive tests before they are put on the market which can take up to 6 months... the swine flu vax had a huge demand in relation to the pandemic and therefore was rushed through.

    Reports that I have read and heard are stating that it is the seasonal flu vax that is under the radar and that the swine flu strain only vax is determined safe for children. That being said, I am still in two minds...

  6. #6
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    Mar 2010
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    When I stated about the testing of the vaccine I understand that it cant be tested on children but all vaccines/medications for that matter go through extensive tests before they are put on the market which can take up to 6 months... the swine flu vax had a huge demand in relation to the pandemic and therefore was rushed through.

    Reports that I have read and heard are stating that it is the seasonal flu vax that is under the radar and that the swine flu strain only vax is determined safe for children. That being said, I am still in two minds...
    they added more then one strain to the seasonal flu shot, and it was not tested on kids like this, just released, the parents not warned that it was a new vaccine...

    makes me worry more about the swine flu, which they admit was rushed

  7. #7
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    Jul 2006
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    From 'The West Australian' this afternoon..

    A one-year-old girl admitted to Princess Margaret Hospital in a critical condition after she received a flu jab appears to be in recovery, with hospital staff reporting this afternoon that she is now in a serious but stable condition.

    The child's parents have declined to speak to the media about their ordeal.

    Statistical information on numbers of children falling ill after the jabs was not available today, but they were expected to be in decline after the vaccination program came to an abrupt halt.


    Praying she makes a speedy recovery. Poor little bubba and family

  8. #8
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    Apr 2009
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    Flu vaccines change every year in the strains included based on the previous years prevaence of strains and predicted vectors of transmission through the region.

    Whilst the H1N1 is another virus. It is still a flu variant- not new technology- and AUS is a leader in vaccine technology, so I would trust one of our vaccines.

    It is reasonable to expect a batch or handling error eg cold storage chain problem given the confinement of febrile illness/ febrile seizures to WA.

  9. #9
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    Apr 2009
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    It is reasonable to expect a batch or handling error eg cold storage chain problem given the confinement of febrile illness/ febrile seizures to WA.
    I've received two phones calls from the Health Department since my DD's reaction and I have asked this question. They assured me they have strict guidelines about storage. Any vaccines that were affected by the storm would be discarded. She also said, if in the very unlikely event that an "off" vaccine was used, it would be less affective rather than cause an adverse reaction.

    Who knows if we'll ever be told why this has happened. It seems they avoiding admitting any of these reactions have anything to do with the vaccine. But for any parent that saw their child go through a reaction, KNOW it was the vaccine.

  10. #10
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    Jun 2006
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    The vaccine in question contained 2 strains of seasonal flu and the H1N1 virus - swine flu. According to the article below we are the first in the world to recieve the combination. (Gee - lucky us )

    I am aware that children were involved in the trial to see if swine flu was safe (for which adverse reactions were also reported in the media), however I am unable to understand how such a trial is considered safe or ethical. Er..."We need some parents who are keen to subject their children to an experiment to see if a new vaccine is safe to give to the rest of the country?" I can only suppose the parents were paid well? Whether it is safe or accurate to extrapolate the results from animal studies onto humans is questionable.

    Article from the National:

    CLINICAL tests were never carried out on the latest seasonal flu vaccine - a first-time combination of seasonal flu with the feared swine flu H1N1 - that has left a baby girl fighting for her life in a Perth hospital and sparked fits, fevers and vomiting in up to 60 toddlers across the country.

    Health officials were last night trying to determine what had caused the reactions in the children, mostly in Western Australia.

    The country's chief medical officer, Jim Bishop, yesterday ordered doctors in all states to stop giving the flu vaccine to children under five.

    Professor Bishop said non-swine flu strains in the vaccine may have caused the reactions.

    For the first time in the world, the flu shot rolled out in Australia last month combined two strains of seasonal flu, as well as H1N1.

    Professor Bishop said the Panvax vaccine - the swine flu jab - was "safe", but said the combined flu shot had been suspended for young children as a "precautionary measure" pending investigation by the Therapeutic Goods Administration, which approved its use last month.

    Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.
    Related CoverageDoctors: Flu jab safe for adults Child critical from WA flu vaccine
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    Panvax was tested on 400 children before its release last year, but the combined shot was not subjected to any clinical trials.

    CSL, which manufactures both vaccines, has stopped distributing children's doses nationally "to reduce the risk of inadvertent administration in this age group".

    One angry West Australian mother, who only wanted to be identified as Sharon, said if officials had acted earlier, the one-year-old girl in critical condition in hospital may never have become sick.

    Sharon had three of her four children vaccinated two weeks ago and all three needed hospitalisation after suffering from fevers, vomiting and fits.

    She said it was a frightening experience after her three-year-old, Alivia, turned purple and began shaking.

    One of her one-year-old twins, Lateesha, later started convulsing.

    Peter Richmond, associate professor at the University of Western Australia's school of pediatrics and child health, said the vaccine was not subjected to trials.

    "As with each year's seasonal influenza vaccine, this year's seasonal influenza vaccine isn't subject to specific trials in children before it's used," he said.

  11. #11
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    Mar 2006
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    and just found this on THE AGE online
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/ch...0430-tzgm.html


    Children's vaccine fits remain mystery
    MARK METHERELL AND AMY CORDEROY
    May 1, 2010

    AFTER a week of analysis, medical authorities are still at a loss to explain why 57 children have had convulsions after receiving influenza vaccine.

    The Commonwealth's chief medical officer, Jim Bishop, yesterday announced that a national ban on administering the mixed seasonal and swine flu vaccine to children aged five and under would continue.

    Professor Bishop said no evidence had been found of a suspect batch of the CSL vaccine going to Western Australia, where there have been 57 cases of convulsions in children aged five or under.

    Although dramatically disproportionate to the rest of Australia's 20 cases of convulsions, including six in Victoria and four in New South Wales, the WA numbers may be partly explained by its higher vaccination rates because the vaccine is available free to infants. Typically the rate of fever with convulsions after vaccination was between one in a 1000 and one in 10,000.

    Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Australians have been unable to get flu shots due to a shortage of seasonal flu vaccine.

    There had been unprecedented demand this year, said Greg Caleo, managing director of Calastica, a workplace health provider. His company had to cancel 30,000 injections this month.

    While the vaccine's increased popularity may be partly to blame, there have been problems getting supplies into the country.

    Alan Hampson, chairman of the Influenza Specialist Group in Australia, said: ''It does seem as if there is a higher patient awareness of influenza at the moment and that is a good thing.''

    He advised young, healthy people anxious to get the flu vaccine to consider having the swine flu vaccine.


    It is NOT unreasonable to expect that a higher number of being are requesting the vaccine therefor resulting ina higher number of people experiencing an adverse reaction. It does not mean that it is outside the spectrum of expected adverse reactions once you do a comparison such as 1 in 5 (which is a number I a using purely for convenience at this point) should expect a reaction.

  12. #12
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    Lulu - children are encouraged (young children) because, like the elderly, they are considered to have a lower immune system and not able to fight it as well. They also have reduced strength (I'm not talking brute stregnth either) to fight the condition which can be pretty foul. The flu can cause secondary conditions including pneumonia and other respiratory conditions. So anyone who has a respiratory condition (such as Asthma) or has recently had pneumonia is usually encouraged to have the vaccine - it is much more dangerous for them to get the flu. Also anyone with a lowered immune system (cancer patients, HIV patients, the very young, the elderly, pregnant women etc).

    Did that make sense? My coffee fuelled brain power is just about depleted. Must recharge.

    ETA: Oh, and the swine flu showed last year that it is much more volatile and problematic in young healthy people (as well as those with comorbidities). They urge ALL young, fit, healthy people to get the swine flu vacc.

  13. #13
    BellyBelly Life Subscriber

    Jun 2005
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    ''It does seem as if there is a higher patient awareness of influenza at the moment and that is a good thing.''
    Let's hope this awareness makes people STAY HOME when they're sick and practice better hygiene when it comes to the flu. I'd rather people did that than run out for flu shots and continue to spread germs when they get sick.

  14. #14

    Oct 2005
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    Lulu unfortunately in our sanitised society many people are unaware (thankfully) of the impact of influenza on those with compromised immunity.

    "I've got the flu" is probably the most overused statement that is used. Influenza A is a hideous illness that goes on for weeks and weeks. In those with compromised immunity (pregnancy, young kids, elderly, terminally ill etc) this disease can in fact become life threatening.

    Having said that I was stridently advised to have Imogen vaccinated before she was transferred from the tertiary hospital she was in & I declined. She was actually later found to have a condition that she wouldn't have withstood that vaccination.

    It is my personal opinion for my children that I would not risk the side affects. like another poster I protect my kids as best I can with quarantine when they are unwell, good quality food, sleep, water & no exposure to big crowds etc.

    I also am not advised to vaccinate my kids - I though live in an area with a very very low vaccination rate.

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    BellyBelly Life Subscriber

    Jun 2005
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    Lulu - no mention of flu shots has ever been made for my kids either (and DS has asthma... albeit very mild.. but it's triggered when he gets sick). Even my 76yr old mother has never been recommended the flu shot, in fact she's been told not to bother with it. I love our GP
    Last edited by Liz; May 1st, 2010 at 09:58 AM.

  16. #16
    Lucy in the sky with diamonds.

    Jan 2005
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    "I've got the flu" is probably the most overused statement that is used. Influenza A is a hideous illness that goes on for weeks and weeks. In those with compromised immunity (pregnancy, young kids, elderly, terminally ill etc) this disease can in fact become life threatening.
    I believe this too. I'm always hearing someone has the flu and I think they mix it up with a cold. Yep you feel yuk with a cold but it is VERY different from Influenza. If it's gone in a week its NOT the Flu!