Staggering 6mo vaccinations

[kawazuki]

Thanks ladies,

Kate - I am in NSW

Kawazuki - at her 4m (and 2 mo) she was given infanrix hexa, prevenar and rotarix (sorry if I haven't got the names quite right - trying to read the nurses writing!). I don't think she has another dose of the rotarix? So it will be the same needles then at 6mo?
When I said it seemed to take it out of her, I meant that she seemed really unwell for about 5 days. I know that they get a fever and can be grizzly, but she seemed like it for almost a week. After he 2 mo needles she was relatively fine, just very sleepy and only a temp for one day.
I will give the nurse a ring though before her 6mo vaccinations.

yes rotarix is a 2 dose course, so it will be the 2 needles only.
I would inform the nurse as to me i would report that as an adverse reaction.
the other thing which may of happened is that she may of got a virus at the same time, but wasn't unwell with it at the time of vaccination,
ok 5 days of being off and unwell, is not expected we only expect 48 hours max.
did she get any rashes near the injection sites? or become lethargic at all?
in that case, we could give one needle and wait 4 weeks and give the next, there would be no issue in doing that as long as they were done exactly at 4 weeks.
then have 5 months and I'd recommend splitting the 12 month needles as well.
PM if you want some more info on it.

[HotI]

My little one has had 3 different lots of vaccinations (2, 4 and 6 month old ones) and each time has been quite unwell for close to a week. I brought it up with the nurse (i had them done at local council sessions) at the following sessions and they really didn't care. They did not report it as adverse reactions. Their lack of concern has given me greater doubt that issues are followed up appropriately.

[milly5]

Thanks Kawazuki!
she had a red area on her infranix site, which later became like a red pimple, both of which the nurse told me was normal. THe red area lasted a few hours and the pimple a few days. She also was very uncomfortable laying on that leg (eg for feeding - had to do football hold) for the rest of that day.
I guess she was lethargic, but mostly she was just so unsettled and so tired - which I had put down to her being so unsettled, crying and not sleeping.
I will PM you though, thanks!

Kate - that is a shame that they didn't listen to your concerns. Did you have the same nurse each time? I am guessing probably not if it was at the council.

[kawazuki]

oh kate im so sorry they didn't show more concern
its the first question i ask and i Probe into it alot. i swear some people think i'm being nosey but i need to know so mum and bub are comfortable with it all.
the red area is normal and the pimple is normal, but there shouldn't be pain or discomfort after 48 hours.

[milly5]

Kawazuki,

I just emptied my inbox. I tried to re-pm you but now your inbox is full! LOL!

[Yeddi]

My little one has had 3 different lots of vaccinations (2, 4 and 6 month old ones) and each time has been quite unwell for close to a week. I brought it up with the nurse (i had them done at local council sessions) at the following sessions and they really didn't care. They did not report it as adverse reactions. Their lack of concern has given me greater doubt that issues are followed up appropriately.

That's because asking a "health" professional about the negatives or side effects of vaccination is like asking a butcher about the pros of being vegan. If you want to go against the recommended and never tested as safe vaccination schedule you're better off doing your own research and making an informed decision based upon facts rather than asking your nurse's or GP's **opinion** (because that is all it is). I encourage you to look up information about CYP450 enzyme in infants and how that might affect vaccination.

[milly5]

Kawazuki - I tired to PM you again, but your box is full.
I just wanted to say thanks Kawazuki, that info & links is a great help! and yes it all makes sense! Much appreciated!

[kawazuki]

That's because asking a "health" professional about the negatives or side effects of vaccination is like asking a butcher about the pros of being vegan. If you want to go against the recommended and never tested as safe vaccination schedule you're better off doing your own research and making an informed decision based upon facts rather than asking your nurse's or GP's **opinion** (because that is all it is). I encourage you to look up information about CYP450 enzyme in infants and how that might affect vaccination.

Yedi I AM A "HEALTH" PROFESSIONAL, and i ensure all my patients know the pros and cons and their full options.

so its not ALL just some and sadly people talk about negatives more the positives so us who do the right thing and make sure we are getting INFORMED consent get tarnished with that horrible spoon.

sadly My knowledge is not shared with all nurses or doctors, and everyone does indeed have their opinion, but when seeking advice from a "health" professional that is what you are doing.

I could prob list a number of ingredients which MAY cause an adverse event, though the chances are very slim like 1:10000000
the ones which are very common we explain about and I do touch on GBS and EPilepsy, though it hasn't been clinically linked yet, still doing research and testing into it

BUT the companies do know about these are they are trying to make them as safe as possible.

[kawazuki]

its empty now. im slack and havent em[ptied it for 6 months

[Yeddi]

I'm sorry kawazuki if you took offence at my post, but your reply doesn't actually convince me that you have an overly different mentality then the majority of health care providers - as it still contains the cart before the horse logic. "Cart" logic that says parents should prove vaccines are UNsafe, prove they directly DO cause an issue, and DON'T work in order to NOT or STOP injecting them into their children. "Horse" logic says that the medical establishment should prove that they DO work, ARE safe, and DON'T directly cause an issues BEFORE injecting them. I KNOW the dangers of NOT vaccinating, however (and I'm sure you can't really tell me otherwise) I DON'T really know ALL the dangers, both short and long term, of vaccinating because not enough research has really been done in the area, and often possible links are investigated only if someone first thinks to investigate it and secondly can get the funding to investigate it. I guess it really comes down to what choice a parent can live with.

[kawazuki]

I'm sorry kawazuki if you took offence at my post, but your reply doesn't actually convince me that you have an overly different mentality then the majority of health care providers - as it still contains the cart before the horse logic. "Cart" logic that says parents should prove vaccines are UNsafe, prove they directly DO cause an issue, and DON'T work in order to NOT or STOP injecting them into their children. "Horse" logic says that the medical establishment should prove that they DO work, ARE safe, and DON'T directly cause an issues BEFORE injecting them. I KNOW the dangers of NOT vaccinating, however (and I'm sure you can't really tell me otherwise) I DON'T really know ALL the dangers, both short and long term, of vaccinating because not enough research has really been done in the area, and often possible links are investigated only if someone first thinks to investigate it and secondly can get the funding to investigate it. I guess it really comes down to what choice a parent can live with.

I agree not enough research has been done.
BUT enough has been done to prove that there is minimal chance of danger.
nothing is ever 100% as long as the parents go into it with the most education and understanding that is what I am worried about.

I have a duty to ensure my patients know what MAY Happen.
and the biggest factor is actually that person, as how it reacts with one person will be 100% different to another person.
They are tested for around 20-30 years before being introduced, with exception to pandemic vaccines, though they are made on a base which HAS been.

I am more annoyed with the whole labelling of a profession instead of a single person.
its like saying all dads should go to work and be the bread winners. its not true.

I do not believe PARENTS should prove a vaccine is unsafe. as it is the medical professions job to do so.
But i DO BELIEVE that a parent should be taken seriously when they ring with a concern.

I can't change the way teh government and health commission work nor do i even try to understand but i do work with it and try to make it user friendly for parents