Vaccine - Autism Link Doctor Guilty of Misleading Conduct

[Peg]

This all makes me so mad. So mad for those poor children. So mad at this quack of a "doctor" who published such a flawed study. So mad that I fell for it. The years of chinese whispers about MMR and autism that this study sparked were in my head and made me feel very unsure about giving our son this vaccine when really, I can't find a single piece of good science to indicate a causation. Craziness.

you have to keep in mind that its not the conclusions of the study that has been on trial....its the doctors conduct that they are putting on trial.

in my opionion, if they can discredit him personally, they can indirectly discredit his findings. I can see from your comment that they have achieved this with yourself and a few others here...imagine how many people have read these same articles and decided that MMR must be safe to use because "this Dr is unethical and therefore who can trust anything he says"

I'm not buying it. Ok the doctor may have overstepped some boundaries, but perhaps in an industry so controlled by big business ie billion dollar pharmaceutical companies who get paid a lot of money to make vaccines, the only way to conduct such research is to bend the rules a little.

its not like the manufacturers are going to open the doors and let you in.

[BellyBelly]

Unnecessary procedures go on all the time in studies and even unstudied medicine but no-one seems to care so much about that, I wonder why? My mum was friends with a woman who volunteered her daughter for a study which involved her fasting for quite a lengthy time... mum was horrified at the time, I was too young to understand much... what about the use of unstudied stuff in obstetric medicine like Thalidomide? One of the biggest medical tragedies of all time Devastating.

Thalidomide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why does this guy have MASSES of followers and believers who saw their children disintegrate after their vaccines? What does it take to get this out when everyone is trying to shut alternate views to the money making views? Why can't he be given a fair research opportunity now to prove his points?

[Visitor6]

Unnecessary procedures go on all the time in studies and even unstudied medicine but no-one seems to care so much about that, I wonder why? My mum was friends with a woman who volunteered her daughter for a study which involved her fasting for quite a lengthy time... mum was horrified at the time, I was too young to understand much... what about the use of unstudied stuff in obstetric medicine like Thalidomide? One of the biggest medical tragedies of all time Devastating.

Thalidomide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why does this guy have MASSES of followers and believers who saw their children disintegrate after their vaccines? What does it take to get this out when everyone is trying to shut alternate views to the money making views? Why can't he be given a fair research opportunity now to prove his points?

Why? Because fear is a powerful weapon. Especially when our children or loved ones are concerned. Just as scaring people into vaccination can be powerful marketing and or social service, so too anti vaccine beliefs can use the same tactics. Create enough doubt with 'viral' internet techniques and 'loud' posting website and blogging techniques, any opinion can become "believable". No different to a cult.

Clearly those that rely on the net to publish their opinions need to look at the way they operate if the alternatives aren't listening. If that means better, legitamate research, then that is what has to be done.

Unofrtunately this blocke went about things the wrong way. In medicine that make you mud.

[spenceee]

Adrian had his jabs the other day and I can honestly say that despite knowing all this stuff I still had the tiniest speck of "what if" and I remembered this thread

I found some more really good stuff to read for anyone whe is still diong the research

This is a document referencing all MMR-Autism studies (25 say no link and 3 say there is but one of them is the now retracted Lancet and another is in dispute due to inability to replicate findings)
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf

This is a very good decision helping tool that discusses the facts about Measels, Mumps and Rubella and the Vaccine.
MMR Decision Aid - NCIRS - National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance

[meow]

Once I read his study I was in utter disbelief that his findings had become so wide spread. The flaws are visable a mile off- such a small sample size, a retrospective study that linked MMR and autism based on parental say-so rather than studied fact etc etc. I couldn't beleive that I had been concerned about a possible link between MMR and autisim when THIS was the study to base that on. There have been other much better researched studies that have not found a link and given how poorly this study was executed I'm appalled it's effect has been so far reaching. Then his misconduct and the treatment the children received in his study came out. I think I went beyond appalled but sickened then.

[spenceee]

Yeah, the big thing is that almost nobody read the report. It was basically a big old chineese whispers of fear.

Japan even split the vaccines completely without any effect to the numbers of children with autism.

Peg, The conclusions of this study are a big big part of what was on trial. When your method is flawed then so is your conclusion.

Almost all the doctors involved retracted their support upon reading the findings as they did not agree.

To understand how this study was performed.... Dr Whatshisname develops a hypothesis.... "All Grey things are Elephants" and then to test his theory he went and found 12 grey elephants and then studied them to support the hypothesis.

We as rational people understand that Elephants are grey but all grey things are not Elephants but the study says otherwise....

Have a read of the linked stuff. This "doctor" had a tiny sample that was hand picked/recruited he also had shares in a new MMR vaccine in development. He was also being paid by a litigation lawyer to investigate this same hypothetical link so that he could sue the drug companies...

The more you read about this guy the more it stinks... like child abuse and fearmongering