why vaccinated kids get those diseases

[BellyBelly]

What about side effects of the vaccines due to what is contained in the vaccine? The kids who are not vaccinated - 0%.

[tenar]

Thanks Hoobley, I don't know much detail about the reasons why the vaccinations aren't 100% effective, but that makes perfect sense. I certainly didn't know that kids who are vaccinated have a lower risk of athsma etc, and would be interested to see a report of that research, as far as it goes.

Kelly, I was intentionally not getting into that stuff, just explaining the mathematical workings of this particular counter-intuitive thing. Of course any parent needs to weigh up the risk of the child having the disease against the risk of getting a side effect - that's the basis of the entire debate.

[Trillian]

But then you don't add in those vaccinated children who will contract the illness, but yet not actually get sick, so they become a carrier of the illness and pass it on to those who are unvacinated - be it children or adults. The thought that vaccinated children can become disease carriers tends to worry me a little more than unvaccinated people.

[Phteven]

Unvaccinated people can also be disease carriers a-la Typhoid Mary.

[Trillian]

Oh of course, but as it stands it is assumed that once someone is vaccinated that they are *safe* kwim? You don't automatically look to the vaccinated people when there is a disease outbreak.

[paradise lost]

Kelly can you link me peer-reviewed, published (respectable journals please) medical articles showing which vaccines have side-effects associated with them, and the ingredients responsible please? Current vaccines? I have read the older stuff about ingredients no longer in use.

I would concur that by vaccinating DD i can only hope SHE is protected, though i haven't read of anyone dying because a vaccinated person gave them a disease they themselves weren't vaccinated against (again, links?). If vaccination only hopes to make the vaccinated person safe it is a shame so very many of the non-vaxers i know tell me their kids are safe because there's a high uptake and strong herd immunity where they live.

The thought that vaccinated children can become disease carriers tends to worry me a little more than unvaccinated people.

What difference does it make if you are unvaxed and sick how you got sick? Surely if you are unvaxed then the disease is a more of a voluntary possibility than if you are vaxed?

Bx

[Sair]

My concern with the non-immunised is exposure to someone from a foreign country who is not immunised (in a country with high rates of disease) and unknowingly ill that has traveled or migrated here and we have an outbreak because so many people have chosen not to immunise. It puts everyone at risk of contracting a horrible disease and could have catostrophic results.

I too would be interested in reading the documentation on the ill effects of immunisation for curiousities sake.