Dach was not able to get message due to pop up blocker on my lap top and it is vista and all new to me. Apologies

I guess this thread has gone a little of the topic of DIY birth in USA and more on birthing options and others opinions on that her in OZ (probably no thanks to me... sorry)

I guess what I think about DIY birth, because it is going round in my head and I want to have one with my partner and lovely doula this time, is that we should support other womens birthing options.

In America women want babies too but because of their health system have tougher choices, they have higher rates of intervention in their hospitals (and just imagine why, people actually successfully sue over there if doctors injure or maim them or worse kill them).
So I can understand their choices for DIY birth esp. if they cant access safer alternatives.

With regards to myself birthing my first baby at 20 and being told to shut up with a posterior birth, having gas shoved in my face forcefully being shoved onto my side by a midwife, being in stirrups and having to listen to a doctor and registrar talk about female circumcision while being sewed back up. Having baby born not breathing due to 3 shots of peth and I could add more. This was absolute assault I will never ever forget this experience and it has created so much anxiety and pain.

My CS 2nd birth was better but I was lied to etc etc.

Women should support other women in matters of childbirth because the hosp system def. does not