I really don't want to add fuel to any fires but I feel I have to point out the website and forums were here long before the pg centre. And the pg centre does not have mws, so I cannot see any commercial interests going on. And for the record, as moderators, we do not have to "toe a party line". We are all free to our own opinions and you will often find that we don't all agree on something. And if disagree we are free to say so, as you all are, in a respectful fashion.

Please could we keep this discussion on track. I would hate to see a really interesting thread closed due to people turning a debate into personal attacks and an inability to stay on topic.