Thanks guys. I'll leave him just with water and see how they go with that. MR, it's the making up for it bit I'm dreading getting up more than the 2 or 3 times a night I do now is not something I'm looking forward to. That on top of the extra stress of just being back at work and trying to keep things at home going together with all the stuff I'll have to give up again like playgroup and kindergym... makes me wonder why the heck I'm going back... and I'm only going back part time, but work didn't make that easy last time, so can't see how it will have changed much this time around Anyhow DS2 is hardly fading away, so guess we'll see how it goes and cross each bridge as it comes up.