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thread: Studies

  1. #19
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    Sep 2009
    Melbourne
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    It's not a study of BM v formula per se but "Immunobiology of Human Milk" is a great book about how breastfeeding protects babies. It's essentially a research paper but has all the scientific fact and figures you could possibly want. I got my copy from the ABA shop.

  2. #20
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    Jul 2007
    melb
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    I know you don't want a debate and that is fine but as a breastfeeding mother I find this comment offensive. I may not have researched my decision to breastfeed over formulae feed because for me formulae feeding wasn't even something I wanted to consider. To me breastfeeding is free and natural and therefore my first option and I have been lucky that I am able to feed for as long as I have. I understand in the case of twins where the physical and mental toll is greater why you would want to look into the pro's and con's further but I am offended at your implication that I decided to breastfeed wasn't based on empirical evidence and therefore I am somehow uneducated or doing the wrong thing or uninformed?!

    My thoughts exactly. As a midwife we are educated about the benefits of BF, but are also supportive of FF. I as an educated informed person chose to BF without specificlly researching topic.

    Yep, the free was a big factor for me. That and the no washing up bottles. I breastfed because I'm a lazy cheapskate
    Haha me 2.

  3. #21
    slyder Guest

    You are probably hamstringing yourself with your criteria.

    The kind of study you describe is almost impossible to conduct, due to ethical considerations and the difficulty of eliminating confounding factors. A more useful and valid way to look at breastfeeding is to try and examine very specific outcomes, which is why you'll see most of the studies are geared that way. But just because they're not randomised, double-blind trials shouldn't automatically exclude them from consideration.
    You're absolutely right, and I'll definitely continue looking at the type of material you're suggesting. But what I am generally getting at is that some of the very substantial claims made about BF'ing must be backed by some stringent long ranging studies, surely?

    I know you don't want a debate and that is fine but as a breastfeeding mother I find this comment offensive. I may not have researched my decision to breastfeed over formulae feed because for me formulae feeding wasn't even something I wanted to consider. To me breastfeeding is free and natural and therefore my first option and I have been lucky that I am able to feed for as long as I have. I understand in the case of twins where the physical and mental toll is greater why you would want to look into the pro's and con's further but I am offended at your implication that I decided to breastfeed wasn't based on empirical evidence and therefore I am somehow uneducated or doing the wrong thing or uninformed?!
    That is absolutely not what I said or implied. I asked a direct question without making any inference or comment about anyones personal choices, and specifically avoided getting into all this touchy feely sensitive hoohaa, so I have no intention of derailing my thread with your problem.

  4. #22
    slyder Guest

    Thanks to everyone else for your suggestions and guidance. I appreciate it and will be using your material for expanding my knowledge.

    LZ - you're thinking along exactly the same lines as me. I'm not doubting the great benefits of BF'ing, I just want to see some studies for my own understanding, knowledge and interest.

    Rosie - will do. Cheers.
    Last edited by slyder; June 2nd, 2010 at 09:13 AM.

  5. #23
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    May 2007
    Warrnambool Vic
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    Dear Slyder,

    Congratulations on the birth of your twins. What an exciting time for your family.
    Given that breastfeeding is the norm for feeding human infants, it is interesting that in most cases it is breastfeeding advocates who are asked to "provide the evidence". I wonder if you had considered putting a similar request on the formula feeding forums?
    I'm sure that you would understand (as Michael points out) it would be unethical to conduct the type of studies you are requesting, when the risks of formula feeding and the associated poorer health outcomes are so well understood to randomly allocate babies to a "control group" (breastfeeding) or an intervention group (bottle feeding)
    I'm not sure it is the role of myself or others on this forum to be your unpaid research assistants on this matter. There is an enormous amount of information available on the internet. For more specialised studies you may need to pay for access. With your knowledge I am sure you are able to sort out the evidence.
    I think when you research this thoroughly you will see that organisations such as the Australian breastfeeding Association are extremely rigorous in accessing the most up todate research on the subject and are not at all prone to make "blanket statements" without evidence.
    Importantly, though, I wonder how your partner feels about breastfeeding your children? Science is one thing, but the decision of how to feed your children is a whole lot more personal and more emotional. It's something each family must consider.
    To get you started I offer the abstract below. If you PM me I can send you the full article
    What are the Risks Associated with Formula
    Feeding? A Re-Analysis and Review
    Melinda E. McNiel, MPH, Miriam H. Labbok, MD, MPH, FACPM, and
    Sheryl W. Abrahams, MPH
    ABSTRACT: Background: Most infant feeding studies present infant formula use as ‘‘standard’’
    practice, supporting perceptions of formula feeding as normative and hindering translation
    of current research into counseling messages supportive of exclusive breastfeeding. To
    promote optimal counseling, and to challenge researchers to use exclusive breastfeeding as the
    standard, we have reviewed the scientific literature on exclusive breastfeeding and converted
    reported odds ratios to allow discussion of the ‘‘risks’’ of any formula use. Methods: Studies
    indexed in PubMed that investigated the association between exclusive breastfeeding and otitis
    media, asthma, types 1 and 2 diabetes, atopic dermatitis, and infant hospitalization secondary
    to lower respiratory tract diseases were reviewed. Findings were reconstructed with exclusive
    breastfeeding as the standard, and levels of significance calculated. Results: When exclusive
    breastfeeding is set as the normative standard, the re-calculated odds ratios communicate the
    risks of any formula use. For example, any formula use in the first 6 months is significantly
    associated with increased incidence of otitis media (OR: 1.78, 95% CI: 1.19, 2.70 and OR:
    4.55, 95% CI: 1.64, 12.50 in the available studies; pooled OR for any formula in the
    first 3 mo: 2.00, 95% CI: 1.40, 2.78). Only shorter durations of exclusive breastfeeding are
    available to use as standards for calculating the effect of ‘‘any formula use’’ for type 1 diabetes,
    asthma, atopic dermatitis, and hospitalization secondary to lower respiratory tract infections.
    Conclusions: Exclusive breastfeeding is an optimal practice, compared with which
    other infant feeding practices carry risks. Further studies on the influence of presenting exclusive
    breastfeeding as the standard in research studies and counseling messages are recommended.
    (BIRTH 37:1 March 2010)
    Key words: any formula use, breastfeeding,

  6. #24
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    Mar 2007
    Paradise
    4,473

    Slyder we have been involved in a study on the effects of DHA in pregnancy and breastfeeding, and their effects through the preschool years. The study is not yet complete but whether the child is BF or FF is part of it. I dont know if anything has been published yet so I will have a look and see what I can find.

  7. #25
    slyder Guest

    Dear Slyder,

    Congratulations on the birth of your twins. What an exciting time for your family.
    Given that breastfeeding is the norm for feeding human infants, it is interesting that in most cases it is breastfeeding advocates who are asked to "provide the evidence". I wonder if you had considered putting a similar request on the formula feeding forums?
    I'm sure that you would understand (as Michael points out) it would be unethical to conduct the type of studies you are requesting, when the risks of formula feeding and the associated poorer health outcomes are so well understood to randomly allocate babies to a "control group" (breastfeeding) or an intervention group (bottle feeding)
    I'm not sure it is the role of myself or others on this forum to be your unpaid research assistants on this matter. There is an enormous amount of information available on the internet. For more specialised studies you may need to pay for access. With your knowledge I am sure you are able to sort out the evidence.
    I think when you research this thoroughly you will see that organisations such as the Australian breastfeeding Association are extremely rigorous in accessing the most up todate research on the subject and are not at all prone to make "blanket statements" without evidence.
    Importantly, though, I wonder how your partner feels about breastfeeding your children? Science is one thing, but the decision of how to feed your children is a whole lot more personal and more emotional. It's something each family must consider.
    To get you started I offer the abstract below. If you PM me I can send you the full article
    Barb, I am simply looking for evidence of the claims made about BF vs FF. I agree that BF'ing is the natural and normal way of doing things and don't dispute that it is the ideal option in many cases. This isn't a veiled anti-BF or BF sceptic thread.

    As these poorer FF outcomes are apparently so well understood, I want to read the evidence for myself. It's what I do, I'm Mr Analytical.

    My ABA comment was poorly worded - I'm not saying they aren't a good source of info, I just didn't want a heap of blanket quotes lifted from their site as I thought may be the case.

    Your comment about me expecting members to be my unpaid research assistants is unneccessarily snarky as that was never my intention as is quite clear. What I asked for was links to studies which I believed that some members may already have knowledge of. I never asked anyone to do my leg work for me.

    My wife and I feel the same regarding feeding. Ideally, if all things are well, she'd like to BF both for a number of reasons, both health related and emotional. However, we are also preparing ourselves if this is not possible, and trying to make some very informed decisions for ourselves.

    PS. I would still be interested to view (if possible) the types of scientific studies with which you base your comments on BB on. I repeat - this is not some veiled attack on BF, but I assume a strong advocate of BF such as yourself would have an interest in, and knowledge of a range of in depth scientific studies that you base your professional knowledge around.
    Last edited by slyder; June 2nd, 2010 at 09:49 AM.

  8. #26
    slyder Guest

    Slyder we have been involved in a study on the effects of DHA in pregnancy and breastfeeding, and their effects through the preschool years. The study is not yet complete but whether the child is BF or FF is part of it. I dont know if anything has been published yet so I will have a look and see what I can find.
    That sounds awesome and very interesting. Cheers.

  9. #27
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    Jul 2005
    Sydney
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    Slyder, can I congratulate you on your efforts to find out more about this. The ABA also has a Lactation Resource Centre that examines scientific studies from around the world on bfing. Every issue of their magazine covers one of these studies. You might argue the LRC is not 'independent' in that it's part of the ABA, but the studies they examine are in no way connected and I have seen them look at both the pros and cons from studies. You can access it from their website.

    One other 'study' to put to you is that a mother is many, many more times more likely to be successful in bfing her baby/ies if her partner is supportive. So I think examining this for yourself will have a very big impact on your wife's ability to bf your children successfully.

  10. #28
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    Mar 2007
    Paradise
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    I have just had a look and as yet there are no publications because the followups aren't finished But this is what I have found
    Trial Title A Randomised Trial of DHA in pregnancy to prevent postnatal depressive symptoms and enhance neurodevelopment in children
    Acronym DOMINO
    ANZCTR ACTRN012605000569606
    NHMRC NHMRC349301
    Status Complete. Follow-up continuing
    Type Maternal
    Trial Contact karen.best@cywhs.sa.gov.au
    So if any of those numbers mean anything you might be able to find some preliminary info

  11. #29
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    Oct 2004
    In my Zombie proof fortress.
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    Your comment about me expecting members to be my unpaid research assistants is unneccessarily snarky as that was never my intention as is quite clear. What I asked for was links to studies which I believed that some members may already have knowledge of. I never asked anyone to do my leg work for me.
    It may not be your intention, but it is what naturally happens. You ask, people want to help, so they will go off and look things up for you.

  12. #30
    slyder Guest

    It may not be your intention, but it is what naturally happens. You ask, people want to help, so they will go off and look things up for you.
    Well good on them. Doesn't mean I expect them to be my unpaid research assistants.
    Last edited by Schmickers; June 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 AM. : Let's all have a cup of tea and a bex and a good lie down...

  13. #31
    slyder Guest

    Thanks Alioops.

    Thanks too Jennifer. I'm looking at this now, appreciate your help. I'm also very supportive of BF'ing and will be 100% behind DW if that is the route we can take.

  14. #32
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    Jan 2006
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    You're absolutely right, and I'll definitely continue looking at the type of material you're suggesting. But what I am generally getting at is that some of the very substantial claims made about BF'ing must be backed by some stringent long ranging studies, surely?
    Or alternatively, by the lack of any real scientific evidence as to the benefits of formula feeding over breastfeeding.

  15. #33
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    Mar 2007
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    As BF sentiment is so strong on BB (not a criticism), there must be more of you that actually base your choices on empirical evidence that you've actually read yourself?
    pmsl, that just sounds funny to me. Ahh....no, I didn't research if BF was the best thing. It's what my body naturally does, it's how babies are fed. Of course something man made will be an inferior product. Not to mention the other non-nutritional benefits. So anyway, I can't help I guess. I mostly look at the ABA anyway. They do have a lot of articles where they mention things and they are actually referenced though. i.e. Australian Breastfeeding Association - Sustained Breastfeeding There's a long reference list at the end of that if it helps.


    PS. I would still be interested to view (if possible) the types of scientific studies with which you base your comments on BB on. I repeat - this is not some veiled attack on BF, but I assume a strong advocate of BF such as yourself would have an interest in, and knowledge of a range of in depth scientific studies that you base your professional knowledge around.
    Again, maybe Barb does base her knowledge around scientific research, but I don't think it's a prerequisite for those in her field!! I would much rather the help of a very experienced LC than one that's up on all the latest research. BF is a natural part of life and feeding babies, it doesn't need scientific studies to validate it. Though I'm sure they are out there! Good luck with your search!

  16. #34
    slyder Guest

    I'm trying to determine as much as possible, the health based differences between BF and FF (ie. to what extent FF'ing trails BF'ing). I am not saying that BF'ers need to justify what comes naturally. Hopefully that again explains my intention.

  17. #35
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    Nov 2009
    Scottish expat living in Geelong
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    Slyder, what you are asking makes a huge amount of sense to me. I always knew breast was best, but as formula was a safe alternative I was happy to switch to it when things became tough. It was only when I started reading research (and I apologise I have no access to the studies as I was shown the information at conferences, and have been referred to it through friends) that I decided with my twins I would not use any formula at all if I could possibly help it due to the health risks of formula. The research helped me understand the importance of exclusive breastfeeding and I think to make an informed decision you need to have access to all the information. I hope you find what you are looking for, I only wish I had kept the references of the studies I looked at when in the same situation as you.

    T
    xx

    PS congratulations on your twins, they really are double the joy

  18. #36
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    Aug 2006
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    This is the current document which informs Australian and State government policy regarding infant feeding: Australian National Breastfeeding Strategy 2010 - 2015

    On page 50 you will find the references, which include documents on breastfeeding rates, promoting breastfeeding, but also a number of studies regarding the health benefits of breastfeeding. Many of them contain links to further documents, including this one: Evidence on the long-term effects of breastfeeding : systematic review and meta-analyses (WHO) which intelligently and scientifically asks the sorts of questions that you are about the whole body of study that has been conducted.

    Hopefully by mining down some of these layers, you will understand that the 'blanket statements' that are promulgated by bodies like the ABA and WHO are actually founded on many layers of evidence, studies which read individually only provide a small piece of the picture but collectively provide a large body of evidence-based information.
    Last edited by AnyDream; June 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 AM.

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