It's not a study of BM v formula per se but "Immunobiology of Human Milk" is a great book about how breastfeeding protects babies. It's essentially a research paper but has all the scientific fact and figures you could possibly want. I got my copy from the ABA shop.
You're absolutely right, and I'll definitely continue looking at the type of material you're suggesting. But what I am generally getting at is that some of the very substantial claims made about BF'ing must be backed by some stringent long ranging studies, surely?
That is absolutely not what I said or implied. I asked a direct question without making any inference or comment about anyones personal choices, and specifically avoided getting into all this touchy feely sensitive hoohaa, so I have no intention of derailing my thread with your problem.
Thanks to everyone else for your suggestions and guidance. I appreciate it and will be using your material for expanding my knowledge.
LZ - you're thinking along exactly the same lines as me. I'm not doubting the great benefits of BF'ing, I just want to see some studies for my own understanding, knowledge and interest.
Rosie - will do. Cheers.
Last edited by slyder; June 2nd, 2010 at 09:13 AM.
Dear Slyder,
Congratulations on the birth of your twins. What an exciting time for your family.
Given that breastfeeding is the norm for feeding human infants, it is interesting that in most cases it is breastfeeding advocates who are asked to "provide the evidence". I wonder if you had considered putting a similar request on the formula feeding forums?
I'm sure that you would understand (as Michael points out) it would be unethical to conduct the type of studies you are requesting, when the risks of formula feeding and the associated poorer health outcomes are so well understood to randomly allocate babies to a "control group" (breastfeeding) or an intervention group (bottle feeding)
I'm not sure it is the role of myself or others on this forum to be your unpaid research assistants on this matter. There is an enormous amount of information available on the internet. For more specialised studies you may need to pay for access. With your knowledge I am sure you are able to sort out the evidence.
I think when you research this thoroughly you will see that organisations such as the Australian breastfeeding Association are extremely rigorous in accessing the most up todate research on the subject and are not at all prone to make "blanket statements" without evidence.
Importantly, though, I wonder how your partner feels about breastfeeding your children? Science is one thing, but the decision of how to feed your children is a whole lot more personal and more emotional. It's something each family must consider.
To get you started I offer the abstract below. If you PM me I can send you the full article
What are the Risks Associated with Formula
Feeding? A Re-Analysis and Review
Melinda E. McNiel, MPH, Miriam H. Labbok, MD, MPH, FACPM, and
Sheryl W. Abrahams, MPH
ABSTRACT: Background: Most infant feeding studies present infant formula use as ‘‘standard’’
practice, supporting perceptions of formula feeding as normative and hindering translation
of current research into counseling messages supportive of exclusive breastfeeding. To
promote optimal counseling, and to challenge researchers to use exclusive breastfeeding as the
standard, we have reviewed the scientific literature on exclusive breastfeeding and converted
reported odds ratios to allow discussion of the ‘‘risks’’ of any formula use. Methods: Studies
indexed in PubMed that investigated the association between exclusive breastfeeding and otitis
media, asthma, types 1 and 2 diabetes, atopic dermatitis, and infant hospitalization secondary
to lower respiratory tract diseases were reviewed. Findings were reconstructed with exclusive
breastfeeding as the standard, and levels of significance calculated. Results: When exclusive
breastfeeding is set as the normative standard, the re-calculated odds ratios communicate the
risks of any formula use. For example, any formula use in the first 6 months is significantly
associated with increased incidence of otitis media (OR: 1.78, 95% CI: 1.19, 2.70 and OR:
4.55, 95% CI: 1.64, 12.50 in the available studies; pooled OR for any formula in the
first 3 mo: 2.00, 95% CI: 1.40, 2.78). Only shorter durations of exclusive breastfeeding are
available to use as standards for calculating the effect of ‘‘any formula use’’ for type 1 diabetes,
asthma, atopic dermatitis, and hospitalization secondary to lower respiratory tract infections.
Conclusions: Exclusive breastfeeding is an optimal practice, compared with which
other infant feeding practices carry risks. Further studies on the influence of presenting exclusive
breastfeeding as the standard in research studies and counseling messages are recommended.
(BIRTH 37:1 March 2010)
Key words: any formula use, breastfeeding,
Slyder we have been involved in a study on the effects of DHA in pregnancy and breastfeeding, and their effects through the preschool years. The study is not yet complete but whether the child is BF or FF is part of it. I dont know if anything has been published yet so I will have a look and see what I can find.
Barb, I am simply looking for evidence of the claims made about BF vs FF. I agree that BF'ing is the natural and normal way of doing things and don't dispute that it is the ideal option in many cases. This isn't a veiled anti-BF or BF sceptic thread.
As these poorer FF outcomes are apparently so well understood, I want to read the evidence for myself. It's what I do, I'm Mr Analytical.
My ABA comment was poorly worded - I'm not saying they aren't a good source of info, I just didn't want a heap of blanket quotes lifted from their site as I thought may be the case.
Your comment about me expecting members to be my unpaid research assistants is unneccessarily snarky as that was never my intention as is quite clear. What I asked for was links to studies which I believed that some members may already have knowledge of. I never asked anyone to do my leg work for me.
My wife and I feel the same regarding feeding. Ideally, if all things are well, she'd like to BF both for a number of reasons, both health related and emotional. However, we are also preparing ourselves if this is not possible, and trying to make some very informed decisions for ourselves.
PS. I would still be interested to view (if possible) the types of scientific studies with which you base your comments on BB on. I repeat - this is not some veiled attack on BF, but I assume a strong advocate of BF such as yourself would have an interest in, and knowledge of a range of in depth scientific studies that you base your professional knowledge around.
Last edited by slyder; June 2nd, 2010 at 09:49 AM.
Slyder, can I congratulate you on your efforts to find out more about this. The ABA also has a Lactation Resource Centre that examines scientific studies from around the world on bfing. Every issue of their magazine covers one of these studies. You might argue the LRC is not 'independent' in that it's part of the ABA, but the studies they examine are in no way connected and I have seen them look at both the pros and cons from studies. You can access it from their website.
One other 'study' to put to you is that a mother is many, many more times more likely to be successful in bfing her baby/ies if her partner is supportive. So I think examining this for yourself will have a very big impact on your wife's ability to bf your children successfully.
I have just had a look and as yet there are no publications because the followups aren't finished But this is what I have foundSo if any of those numbers mean anything you might be able to find some preliminary infoTrial Title A Randomised Trial of DHA in pregnancy to prevent postnatal depressive symptoms and enhance neurodevelopment in children
Acronym DOMINO
ANZCTR ACTRN012605000569606
NHMRC NHMRC349301
Status Complete. Follow-up continuing
Type Maternal
Trial Contact karen.best@cywhs.sa.gov.au
Last edited by Schmickers; June 2nd, 2010 at 10:34 AM. : Let's all have a cup of tea and a bex and a good lie down...
Thanks Alioops.
Thanks too Jennifer. I'm looking at this now, appreciate your help. I'm also very supportive of BF'ing and will be 100% behind DW if that is the route we can take.
pmsl, that just sounds funny to me. Ahh....no, I didn't research if BF was the best thing. It's what my body naturally does, it's how babies are fed. Of course something man made will be an inferior product. Not to mention the other non-nutritional benefits. So anyway, I can't help I guess. I mostly look at the ABA anyway. They do have a lot of articles where they mention things and they are actually referenced though. i.e. Australian Breastfeeding Association - Sustained Breastfeeding There's a long reference list at the end of that if it helps.
Again, maybe Barb does base her knowledge around scientific research, but I don't think it's a prerequisite for those in her field!! I would much rather the help of a very experienced LC than one that's up on all the latest research. BF is a natural part of life and feeding babies, it doesn't need scientific studies to validate it. Though I'm sure they are out there! Good luck with your search!
I'm trying to determine as much as possible, the health based differences between BF and FF (ie. to what extent FF'ing trails BF'ing). I am not saying that BF'ers need to justify what comes naturally. Hopefully that again explains my intention.
Slyder, what you are asking makes a huge amount of sense to me. I always knew breast was best, but as formula was a safe alternative I was happy to switch to it when things became tough. It was only when I started reading research (and I apologise I have no access to the studies as I was shown the information at conferences, and have been referred to it through friends) that I decided with my twins I would not use any formula at all if I could possibly help it due to the health risks of formula. The research helped me understand the importance of exclusive breastfeeding and I think to make an informed decision you need to have access to all the information. I hope you find what you are looking for, I only wish I had kept the references of the studies I looked at when in the same situation as you.
T
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PS congratulations on your twins, they really are double the joy
This is the current document which informs Australian and State government policy regarding infant feeding: Australian National Breastfeeding Strategy 2010 - 2015
On page 50 you will find the references, which include documents on breastfeeding rates, promoting breastfeeding, but also a number of studies regarding the health benefits of breastfeeding. Many of them contain links to further documents, including this one: Evidence on the long-term effects of breastfeeding : systematic review and meta-analyses (WHO) which intelligently and scientifically asks the sorts of questions that you are about the whole body of study that has been conducted.
Hopefully by mining down some of these layers, you will understand that the 'blanket statements' that are promulgated by bodies like the ABA and WHO are actually founded on many layers of evidence, studies which read individually only provide a small piece of the picture but collectively provide a large body of evidence-based information.
Last edited by AnyDream; June 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 AM.
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