I'll try and find that post I mentioned, Margaret had an alternative solution for healing those traumatised nipples if anyone is interested, as the person she was helping had really bad damage (its what they see on a daily basis sadly). You can also try to avoid nipple trauma by learning correct attachment or getting help as early as possible, I recommend to all my clients that they get in their own private LC to come to their home when they get home so they can get the best start. Most are confused by the conflicting advice from hospital.