Thanks for those ideas. DS typically only has bedtime and night feeds with the occasional morning or day feed.
DS typically wakes for the first time around 2am.
Last night was semi-reasonable - feed for 3/4 hr both sides fall asleep on me (unattached) but when I put him down he woke, sent DH in to try to settle him didn't quite work but DS ended up climbing in with us but not having a feed, curled up next to me with patting on the bum went to sleep about 3:30 and didn't stir until just before 7 for a feed.
We haven't tried a sippy cup with water at night but I knew we shouldn't get the juice thing happening too often.
I think I really just want get rid of the middle of the night feed. He doesn't ask for a feed first thing in the morning often and I'm okay with giving him a bedtime feed still. I'm working on DH doing some more of the bedtime routine / getting to sleep stuff as he hasn't for a while because he seems to have a lot evenings out which DS didn't mind as he went to sleep then without a feed.