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Skin on Skin should definitely be on the cards hun...not so sure about delayed cord claping with a c-section though......we asked with ours being a planned c-secion and were told no because they like to leave the uterus open for as short a time as possible becuase of the risk on infection. So they like to get bubs out asap, gt the placenta out give it all a good washout and then stitch up asap, the longer you are open the greater the infection risk. I have heard of one doctor in the US who would do delayed cord clamping in a c section but haven't heard of anyone here.
We were lucky though, even though we knew our bubba needed to go to special care nobody rushed us...he was checked by the paed, wrapped and placed on my chest where he stayed while they stitched me up....he was handed to hubby while they transferred me off the operating table onto the bed and then given back to me straight away in recovery...we got to have a feed in recovery and he travelled up to the ward on the gurney with me....we said bye at the SCN doors and he was taken in and given his bed but until then we hadn't been separated so I think we were very lucky in that respect.
If I had asked specifically for skin on skin Iam sure they would have accomodated that too.
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We knew bub was OK - he was yelling the place down!
But you could also ask that they do the checking where you can see bub - that ought to be doable in most theatres. And if at all possible talk to the paediatrician beforehand so that he/she knows where you are coming from, and can give you a running commentary on what they are doing and why.
Okay I need to say this.. this is my opinion.
Just because your baby seems healthy on the inside doesn't mean that they are going to thrive on the outside from the beginning. I think it's quite selfish of the mother to put her baby at risk for her own needs. In the end we want a healthy mother and healthy baby. For the sake of a couple of minutes checking over, no harm is done.
Would you all feel the same way if you demanded the baby be bought to you straight away for it to struggle to breathe or something, get brain damage etc. Its a decision you will have to live with for the rest of your life. And Im sure you would be the first one to sue if something like that did happen. As far as Im concerned the minute you get pregnant is the minute you put your needs last and your babies needs first.
jax: maybe you do need to talk to someone about it
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I had an elective cs, bub was pulled out with hands while they dropped the sheet so DH and I could watch, they were hurrying DH over to cut the cord, quick check over and weigh then DH carried her over to me and we had skin to skin with warm blankets over us for 15 mins or so until I asked DH to hold her cos I felt really sick and was shaky. Then as soon as I got to recovery I told DH I wanted her back and she had a 20 minute feed and stayed on my chest for an hour after that til I was being wheeled to the room DH had to push her in the cot as their policy is you're not allowed to walk the halls carrying bub. But then skin to skin as soon as we arrived up until I realised what a baby hog I was being and let DH hold her lol.
I had a crap experience first time round, but this was so beautiful and perfect, not what I thought a c section could ever be like
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Ahurani - Tell me how any of us have said we want to risk our babies health. I will be extremely grateful if I get to take my baby home, but I don't think it's too much to ask to want to avoid trauma from the beginning. I actually think having the baby away from it's mother at birth is quite traumatic for both Mum AND BUB.. Just because the baby doesn't remember it doesn't mean it's right.. I also think skin to skin IS best for my baby instead of being held by a rough doctor away from it's mother being poked and prodded. Oh course if the baby had trouble breathing I would agree to intervention, but a lot of babies don't cry immediately and don't need to be suctioned, but it is treated like a medical emergency if the baby doesn't cry straight away... I'm not wanting a bloody miracle, just to have my baby with me after birth like it should be.
And this is coming from someone who DIDN'T let nature take it's course and put my babies through 12 days of medical intervention and all that trauma when they died anyway.. Maybe I should have put their needs 1st then, and not had them resuscitated, but thats a whole other thread!
Ellasmummy - That sounds beautiful
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Ahurani, I am sorry by I agree with the above. I think what we are really asking for is for our bubs to be treated with the up most respect that they deserve and not just be treated as another c section. My requests are not unreasonable and in fact are carried out in the UK. If for any reason baby needed attention then yes totally different story, what I am saying is that i don't want them to do it just because that is what they do, this is not good enough. I am not making decisions based on nothing and just want 'I want' but rather what I have researched and educated myself about and feel is best for baby if everything goes well.
Ellsmother That is fantastic. It's lovely to hear a nice story.
Have a look at the links especially the youtube clip.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RIcaK98Yg
Last edited by Traveller; June 6th, 2011 at 09:26 PM. : removed link - please check forum guidelines
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blessed, I just wanted to say again how thrilled I am that you are pregnant again ::I agree with you re the skin to skin, I think in a situation where bub needed to be attended to there would be no risk or anything like that, the doctors are very good at picking stuff like that up
Good luck and I'm stalking!
I dont see how first making sure your baby is okay to be trauma? Pretty selfish. Its you making sure your needs are met before the baby's. Anyway as I said its my opinion, I hope everything goes to plan.
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I think because not every bub born needs to be checked over straight away, it's only if something is wrong that it becomes necessary, and if there is an issue, the doctors will pick that up fairly quickly and take bub to the resus table. Placing bub immediately on mums chest starts a whole wonderful hormonal process off for baby and mother, so it is beneficial if there isn't an emergency. I can see how the usual checks could be scary for a baby that didn't need it, all the movement and routine suctioning and stuff. I think it's whatever each individual feels comfortable with; at the end of the day, nobody will be able to tell the two babies apart, there won't be any long term affects and both bubs would be happy and healthy, so it's totally personal preference and doesn't matter so long as you (collective) feel happy with the outcome
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Well said PZ.. I do think it is c section for babies could possibly be traumatic, 1 min tucked up safe and warm in Mum's Tum, the next ripped into a bright cold world being poked and prodded. I do agree with PZ, there is nothing wrong with getting the baby checked over, I just would prefer not to immediately if it's not neccessary..
PZ - Did you mean tell you more about the Lap? You wrote Alp Lol.. What do you wanna know, I watched it on the screen, but I didn't have a commentary (sp?) so I didn't know what I was looking at most of the time lol.
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Oh yeah, don't tell me about the AlpUmm, did it look painful? Were the gentle? I know it's keyhole surgery yeah? How long did it take? Sorry to be such a sticky beak! I'd love to see both the lap and the sections for myself, so cool you got to observe!
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Yeah it's keyhole surgery. She also had a hysteroscopy which is going through the cervix. Are they gentle.... Ummm, no. They had the camera up through her cervix and then as they were pushing the instruments through her belly button and on the side, it was weird being able to see it pierce through the skin. Then she was just laying there with these silver pipe looking things sticking out of her belly to keep the holes open while he cut out a piece of tissue. I did hear the surgeon say that there was a bit of endometriosis, but I couldn't see anything that looked out of the ordinary and he didn't remove it, so must of been only a tiny bit. She was laying covered from the ribs to her head to keep the area sterile so all you could see was from her belly down. It was strange seeing them put her legs in stirrups and stuff while she was knocked out. It was a bit creepy TBH. I mean I know they are doing their job, but just to see someone naked from the waist down and knocked out was really weird, she was just so vulnerable.
The whole procedure took about an hour.
Jax - The youtube link isn't working? Unless it's my internet..
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YouTube - ‪The natural caesarean: a woman-centred technique‬‏
ok think i have fixed it, for some reason it starts playing from the end so you need to drag it back to start. If not search for The natural caesarean: a woman-centred technique. It should come up first. It is worth watching
Last edited by jax; June 5th, 2011 at 05:29 PM.
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Jax - That was fabulous! Thats what I want, all c sections should be performed like that. I have my booking in appointment in 2wks, I'm sure I will be having an interesting discussion on how c sections are performed at that hospital lol.
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Blessedatlast: Hope you have more luck then me. I tried to discuss it and was told NO to everything except babe can come to recovery with me. I really hope you have more luck, let me know how you go. I will be having more 'discussions' with them
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i so hope u get what u want blessed. Also perhaps ask whether they ***** poor bubs foot to check BSL, they did that to my little boy the minute he was born, I never was told until later that they had to take him away quickly coz BSL was low, then I thought, why would u be checking it?, I never had diabetes. Perhaps it was necessary but not nice to think thats the first think he experienced!
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How big was he hun? Pie had the same, went straight to SCU on a drip because of low BSL - apparently it is routine to check all babies over 4.5kg.
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Although I was told beforehand I could hold bub in the theatre, the reality of it was that because I was elective I was bumped for an emergency operation that involved orthopaedics. The theatre was absolutely freezing to set whatever they were using. I had to be covered in multiple blankets just to be comfortable and still. I couldn't have removed any to hold DD without shivering to death! DP got to hold her though.
Sometimes things don't happen according to plan, but I still enjoyed her birth and the time I did get with her ASAP. But if I had a do-over there's plenty I'd change.
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