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thread: GOVT's new parametres aroung CCR........means tested?

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  1. #1
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    Jul 2006
    Brisbane
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    I hate how they keep on taking things from SAHM's... I stay home because I want to be there for the boys whilst young... it doesn't mean that it's an easy ride or that we're rich or anything... but if I was working, for what I'd get paid working FT and having to pay fees for both boys in childcare... wow, so would not be worth my time working and missing out on so much with them... we pay currently... $510 per month for Oskar to go to kindy 2 days a week... yep 2 days a week and that's out of our pockets... so without the CCR that would just make it even harder for us!! We barely get any CCB. I'm hoping that I'm not going to be losing out on it in the budget!

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    Jan 2008
    Just Coasting
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    i tend to think Middle to High income families need some more support - i don't believe CCR should be open slather for everyone - when you have people on 700k plus asking why they can't get it if their partner is SAHP, and then working the system so that she is, on paper anyway, doing work for his business just to qualify for CCR - nope, not a fan of that behaviour

    i don't believe ANY payment should have a hard cut off. personally, i think the 75k baby bonus estimate, the 150k ftbb cut off - it's not reasonable. all payments should have a sliding scale so that an extra dollar in income doesn't make the difference between qualifying and not qualifying. currently the payments deemed as income support have sliding scales - the more you earn the less you get. i don't believe there is a problem with having a similar scheme in place for CCR for those in the 200k plus family income bracket. perhaps at 200k your 50% starts to reduce, by 300k it's at nothing. far more reasonable than 199 999 being eligible for 50%, 200k eligible for nothing

    or maybe that's just my personal sense of fairness trying to show through lol
    I completely agree with you BG. I do hope that the speculation that it will only be affected for incomes over $150k is right though. DH and I have a combined income of about $85k. I went back to work simply because financially I have to and if our child care tax rebate was cut we'd be absolutely freaking stuffed!

  3. #3

    Jun 2010
    District Twelve
    8,425

    I completely agree with you BG. I do hope that the speculation that it will only be affected for incomes over $150k is right though. DH and I have a combined income of about $85k. I went back to work simply because financially I have to and if our child care tax rebate was cut we'd be absolutely freaking stuffed!
    I don't think an annual income of $150k for a couple is high. I would think it is middle income!

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  5. #5
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    Jul 2007
    Melbourne
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    In line with what md said before if 67k is average anything over 134k would be considered high.

  6. #6
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    Jan 2008
    Just Coasting
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    I don't think an annual income of $150k for a couple is high. I would think it is middle income!
    Well we must be low income then with a combined one of $85K. No freaking wonder we struggle. My DH works fulltime and earns just over 50k (works for state Govt funnily enough) and I work 3 days and earn just over 30k (in an industry I've been in for 14 years and have qualifications in) We work damn hard and sometimes I wonder what the heck for. If I didn't work we'd be stuffed and if they took our childare tax benefit away we'd be stuffed. It's a catch 22 for us.

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    Sep 2009
    Melbourne, VIC
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    I don't think an annual income of $150k for a couple is high. I would think it is middle income!
    wow...$150,000 p/a per couple middle income? I guess I'm used to dealing with couples that manage to get by on $30,000 per annum. $150,000 is 3 times the family income I grew up on.

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    Apr 2010
    Townsville
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    We're like you Astrid. Me working helps us get by and that's about it. There are so many variants and it all depends on your expences and who earns what etc etc etc. For example, if my DH and I had bought our duplex before the property boom we'd be sitting quite pretty right now. But we didnt even know each other before the boom. Our mortgage on a 3 bedroom small duplex is $545 per week. We have friends who have 2 children the same age as ours. She is a SAHM and he works in retail 4 days a week and earns about $40k. They have much more financial freedom than us right now. Why? becasue they get more Govt. benefits for one, but more importantly they have a beautiful 5 bedroom 3 bathroom home with no mortgage because it was bought for them. They can also afford to run 2 cars whereas we only have one car cause we can't afford to run two.

    One thing i don't get though is this. We are on a combined income of about $85k (me 33K, DH 52K) and we get $102 per fortnight FTB part A. But if I was a SAHM and was lucky enough to have a DH who earned $95k (so 10K more than our existing combined family income) then not only would we get the $102 ftb part A but we'd also get $136 ftb part B per fortnight as well. It doesn't seem fair, but I guess perhaps that is govt's incentive for SAHM's (or SAHD's)?
    Thats cant be right, I am a SAHM and DH only earns $60k and we get the minimin FTB A which is about $80.. We get no rent assistance either.
    So on $60k for 2 adults and a child we get minimum FTB A, full FTB B and no rent assistance.

    So really we are on min wage ($30k for me and $30k for DH) every year and dont get much support at all! I dont know if i would qualify for CCB (not that it matters for at least a year) or how much we would get.

    Just seems like we pay all these taxes and for what?? Our roads are crap, most systems (health etc) are crap and under funded.. What is our money going to? Julia Gillard has no children and no grip on family life so of course she will scrimp in those areas because its not important to her.



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  9. #9
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    Jan 2009
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    Don't think I agree with the comment about being on a high income, but still being cash poor. Anyone could use that as their reasoning, ie I earn say, $50000 but choose to live a lifestyle that means I have so many loans that at the end of the day, I have little cash left over. Surely people can't expect the government to look at what you have left over from however much you earn? Someone could earn millions but still live a lifestyle that means they have no cash!

  10. #10
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    Jul 2006
    Melbourne
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    I heard on the news this morning it is not going ahead (or I am confused??!!)

  11. #11
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    Oct 2008
    Newport, VIC
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    Despite me encouraging people not to buy into the speculation over whether the Govt are going to means test the rebate or not, there is an interesting article in the Daily Telegraph today. Another very reliable journalist (Keiren Gilbert from Sky News) also posted on twitter that he had independepent confirmation of this. Hopefully good news!

    Parent backlash forces Wayne Swan to retreats on child care cuts

    By Simon Benson
    From: The Daily Telegraph
    April 19, 2011 12:00AM


    Proposal to means test childcare rebate rejected
    Sources claim decision based on policy, not politics
    Other measures agreed to "would be unpopular"

    A BUDGET proposal to means test the 50 per cent childcare rebate for families was rejected by Treasurer Wayne Swan's razor gang after a marathon session yesterday.

    Government sources revealed Mr Swan ruled out the measure, in which families would be means tested for the first time for generous childcare help of up to $7500 a year.

    Sources confirmed the Treasury and Departmental wish list of Budget cuts put at the meeting in Canberra included means testing of the 50 per cent rebate for families on incomes above $150,000.

    "If you live in western Sydney with a family and you earn $150,000 combined, you wouldn't exactly be going around saying you are well off," a Government source said yesterday.

    It has been confirmed the proposal was put to a meeting of the expenditure review committee in a "rule in rule out" session of savings measures to be ticked off between key ministers and Treasury and departmental officials, ahead of the May 10 budget.

    The move comes as employers have warned the government that they would oppose any means test on the childcare rebate in the budget if it reduces women's participation in the workforce and exacerbates the nation's skills shortage.

    Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief Peter Anderson told The Australian while his organisation supports moves to reduce government benefits to middle- and high-income earners, "particular care is required on childcare".

    "The criteria we would apply is whether the means test has the effect of reducing the net overall participation of women in the workforce, and if it were to do that, we would oppose it," he said.

    Unions have warned that a means test would hit ordinary workers such as teachers and nurses and could add to skills shortages by encouraging women to cut back their hours to get incomes under the $150,000 threshold.

    Meanwhile the budget razor gang also rejected another proposal to slash funding to the National Health and Medical Research Council which would have saved more than $300 million.

    The Treasurer's rejection of two key savings measures flagged over the past week came as the Gillard Government slumped to a new low in the polls yesterday.

    Sources claimed, however, that the decision not to go ahead with the means testing for the 50 per cent childcare rebate was based on policy, not politics.

    Mr Swan had previously refused to rule the measure out.

    However, he is reported to have argued in the meeting yesterday that the axing of the rebate would kill the Government's long-term plans to boost workforce participation, despite the measure also being potential political dynamite for the Government.

    The Treasurer has been softening Australians for the prospect of a horror budget, warning that savage cuts will have to be made to government programs to achieve its goal of returning the budget to surplus by 2012/13.

    Sources claimed, however, that other measures which were agreed to yesterday by the razor gang would be very unpopular.

  12. #12

    Jun 2010
    District Twelve
    8,425

    " seems like we pay all these taxes and for what?? Our roads are crap, most systems (health etc) are crap and under funded.. What is our money going to? Julia Gillard has no children and no grip on family life so of course she will scrimp in those areas because its not important to her."

    Mrs B you know I love you but I think this is a little harsh. I think the fact Julia Gillard has no biological children has no bearing on her ability to govern and make provisions for families. Also how much financial pressure do you think male pms feel with regards to raising their families? Very little I suspect.



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  13. #13

    Jun 2010
    District Twelve
    8,425

    " seems like we pay all these taxes and for what?? Our roads are crap, most systems (health etc) are crap and under funded.. What is our money going to? Julia Gillard has no children and no grip on family life so of course she will scrimp in those areas because its not important to her."

    Mrs B you know I love you but I think this is a little harsh. I think the fact Julia Gillard has no biological children has no bearing on her ability to govern and make provisions for families. Also ho much financial pressure do you think male pms feel with regards to raising their families? Very little I suspect.



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  14. #14
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    Aug 2006
    On the other side of this screen!!!
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    Just seems like we pay all these taxes and for what?? Our roads are crap, most systems (health etc) are crap and under funded.. What is our money going to? Julia Gillard has no children and no grip on family life so of course she will scrimp in those areas because its not important to her.
    Most roads are state-funded so complain to your state govt about that, the federal highway system is actually pretty fabulous (speaking as one who has driven most of them I actually think we get an awfully good bang for our taxation buck. I am a recent recipient of health care to the tune of many tens of thousands of dollars in the public system. Ok so yes it involved sitting a long time in some pretty boring waiting rooms, but I had state-of-the-art care by specialists who are the best in the game (and who other people pay many thousands of dollars to see privately) and it cost me? NOTHING. Compare this to the US where many people do not get the most basic cancer treatment because they have to argue for months with their insurance companies until finally they DIE, we've got it pretty damn good in this country.

  15. #15
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    Apr 2010
    Townsville
    2,832

    HEalth care is a pick and choose... my dad has paid taxes ALL his life and yet the treatment needed to save his life is not paid for by the governmemt. SO I am glad that you got amazing specialists and thousands of $$ of help, but it is not the same for everyone. And I honestly don't mean that in a nasty way, I am actually genuinely glad that you got the care you needed. It just makes me sad they don't do it for everyone.

    We do have it good in the country compared to other countries yes, I don't deny that. I love Australia...

  16. #16
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    Apr 2010
    Townsville
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    Id say it if it was a man too! In fact i dont think that there is enough emphasis on families at all!!! There is no push for strong family values anymore, no support for them.
    An i just dont like julia gillard at all. Sorry if I offended N2L!! Late night tired rant gettin my back up! Haha.



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  17. #17
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    Jul 2005
    Rural NSW
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    There is a very similar and interesting discussion HERE

  18. #18
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    Sep 2009
    Melbourne, VIC
    581

    Id say it if it was a man too! In fact i dont think that there is enough emphasis on families at all!!! There is no push for strong family values anymore, no support for them.
    An i just dont like julia gillard at all. Sorry if I offended N2L!! Late night tired rant gettin my back up! Haha.
    I think we're extremely lucky to live in a country that pays families ANYTHING to assist with the cost of raising children. We're PAID to have babies in Australia...FTB is paid to most families in Australia with children. We have a public health and education system. We have a welfare system that will support you if you become unemployed, or disabled. We have public transport in major cities and regional centres. John Howard overhauled the FTB system to provide an incentive for families to have a stay at home parent (FTB B). Pretty strong promotion of traditional family values if you ask me. Denying marriage equality for everyone, pretty strong promotion of 'strong' family values. Not MY family values, but traditional, heteronormative family values.

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