WM thanks, if ds2 wears cloth overnight atm he's just in a tutto with a second mini booster and is nearly always completely dry with the occasional damp spot on his pants, so I don't think he is a very heavy night wetter?? Unlike my older children... Who btw I am still definitely considering getting pullups from you for but they wouldnt do overnight would they?

Louise, I might have a second hand sandman I can get my hands on to try... Hmm so very hard! Lol